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Demons Pretending to Be Angels and the Free Will Heresy

On Coast to Coast AM last night, George Noory had on “Doreen Virtue” which C2CAM says, “is a spiritual doctor of psychology and a fourth-generation metaphysician who works with the angelic, elemental, and ascended-master realms.” In other words, truthfully, “she communicates with demons which she has deluded herself into thinking are angels and so called ‘nature spirits'”. Doreen herself on the show acknowledged that demons can pretend to be angels and that people should not romance them for pleasure.

On the show, Doreen claimed that we must ask angels for help to get help from them, which reminded me of Mormons and other Free Will Christians, and suspected that that is why she said that, and then no surprise to me she confirmed it by saying that that was necessary or it would be a violation of our free will, however, she contradicted herself afterwards by saying that the only time they could help without our asking for it was “if it isn’t your time” (to die). It’s a contradiction because it implies that GOD’S WILL supersedes our own, and that isn’t compatible with the heretical “free will” nonsense teaching that I’ve been observing and learning about as I keep hearing the world talk about it. Basically, the world’s free will doctrine is that human free will is a sacred thing that must not be violated and that God won’t violate it (and many non-Christians believe that Earth aka Gaea and/or ‘Mother Nature’ also has a will of its/her own), yet, it’s a lie, and like so many lies, contradicts itself. Here is how it contradicts:

1) Wills are always in conflict everywhere, generally speaking, and depending on the personality of the ones who are not getting there way, it can lead to sin, crime, hateful arguing, rather than one side peacefully giving in to the other. So, to act like human’s wills can’t be violated as if it’s some physical law, is nonsense. It’s clearly observably wrong to claim our wills cannot be gone against successfully. Clearly not everyone’s will can be done as they want it to be done and there will always be unfilled will until there is perfect peace (which God says he will bring about, except in Hell). For the Free Will Christians who believe the Bible, who claim that God can’t go against our will, they are clearly wrong, since the Bible repeatedly claims God does that all the time. Some Christians try to brush that off with the ridiculous explanation that God isn’t really going against anyone’s will (how ridiculous!) when he punishes them, because they want to be punished. That is dumb, absolutely dumb. Sure, some people in bitterness say, “bring it on” or “I don’t care” but that’s because THEY DON’T KNOW THE WRATH in store for them. Like one proverb in the Bible says, “A servant cannot be corrected by mere words.” That (rebellious) servant can’t be corrected by mere talk because they aren’t feeling any pain and will especially dismiss warnings if they are feeling pleasure. It’s the same with a rebellious child or any person with a bad habit and who is having “a good time”: unless there is a painful negative consequence, emotionally or physically, they won’t stop. Further, why do so many people, when committing a crime, try to hide that they are committing a crime, or run when they think they are in danger of getting caught for that crime, or lie in court over whether they committed one or not? OBVIOUSLY, it’s because they don’t want to feel pain for what they did, not “BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE PUNISHED”. But in order to defend their backwards doctrine, that is how absurd and childish heretics must think: backwards, backwards to the point of embarrassing absurdity that even kids who aren’t brainwashed can recognize is obviously stupid and illogical reasoning that goes against what even stupid people know is stupid.

2) If God’s will is also sacred and cannot be violated, then how can everyone else’s will also be sacred and forbidden from being violated being that God’s will is often not the will of man or anything else? That is a clear contradiction. And it is obvious that if anyone’s will is going to always be done, it’s going to be the all-knowing all-powerful eternal Creator’s, not the created things that like ants compared to him. The Bible even says that God’s will is always done in Heaven, and has us pray that it will always be done on Earth, and even Jesus said to God, “…but your will (be done), not mine.” Doreen tried to dismiss the Bible and untrustworthy because, “it’s been rewritten many times,” the cliche attack of an ignoramus who doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge that the Bible is backed up by many old copies of itself showing that it has been copied very accurately in all the places that matter most, and that there is no evidence of loss of text. Her logic is also wrong in what she implied, which was that many copies necessarily lead to errors. She also stupidly implied that God can’t preserve his own word. With such an unreliable God why does Doreen pretend to love and honor him and that he’s in control? If he can’t preserve his own word, his laws, his commands to love, then how can we? And why follow him if he can’t keep track of what he says or if we can’t? Again: contradictions. That is the lot of liars: lies and contradictions.

3) Why would there be an exception like Doreen claims, that “unless it’s “not your time” angels can’t help you”? Is it just because she said so? Because some angel supposedly told her so. And so what if one did? Can demons pretend to be angels? She herself said so, so then she cannot simply claim, “angels never lie.” And being that humans can repeatedly make the same mistakes and be deceived till death, for years, she can’t claim, especially as a religion-ignorant, which she clearly is, that she is undecievable, immune to be fooled, tricked. Further, some demons, not merely staying in one place and keeping to themselves, go out of there way to lie to humans and deceive them, and having lived for thousands of years, have mastered deception and know how humans react to all kinds of situations and suggestions. And how long has Doreen lived in comparison to such demons? She sure has not lived long enough to become a master of the truth, nor has she studied well enough as was indicated by her evil broadside attacks against Christians, like that they “blackmail” people into believing there religion and her illogical vague statement that “preaching fear” is negative energy (a meaningless statement) with the implication that that is bad. And guess what Doreen is doing by making those claims? According to her vague nonsense, she’s also “preaching fear”. It’s also a clear lie to claim as she did, that all Christians do is talk about fear. Truly she’s a lying ignoramus. Who doesn’t know that millions of Christians have said and still do, “God is love” or “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life” or “love your neighbor as yourself” or “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” or “love your enemies” and “bless those who curse you” and the most famous of all, “Do unto others as you would have them do to you,” all of which are verses from the Bible. Yet she slanders all Christians, including the children, as “preach”ers “of fear” and negativity. Clearly it’s Doreen who is the preacher of fear and negativity by mainly focusing on what she perceives are “negative” things about Christians and mainly finding fault with them, when clearly they have done much good and continue to do so (I’m talking about true Christians, but even Free Will ones do some good, though at the expense of the truth about how to get saved and to lead people away from true salvation, though not all realize they are misleading people).

4) Doreen Virtue also made clearly wrong claims, which is that angels can’t help you unless you ask for it: but as she herself would know, angels are always helping people without them asking for it, and some don’t even believe in angels when they are helped by them. Many people also don’t pray for the help of angels, but ask for God’s help, knowing that he uses angels to do things for him, yet Doreen says to pray to the angels. Why would you pray to the angels rather than God who is in control of them? If you want a coworker to be friendly to you or to help you who is in a different state, do you pray to the coworker or to God? But Doreen hates God, so refuses to go to him for help, but instead wants to worship what he created.

5) Concerning again Doreen’s claim that angels need our permission to help us, how can she say that when surely she hears stories all the time of people being helped by angels and not knowing they were angels or being helped without asking? That could be seen a deliberate deception or insanity for her to ignore what she repeatedly sees contradicts her “free will” belief, which is really about pride and a childish attitude of rebellion towards God. And if angels need our permission, then doesn’t God? Does God need our permission for anything? Obviously to say he does is stupid. That’s lying say that I need the permission of a toy I made, even a living one with a mind, to do anything to it, or that a parent needs the permission of the child to move it somewhere, teach it something, feed it something, give it a gift, love it or even talk to it (which leads to a paradox: how can you ask for permission to talk without first talking if not given permission to talk?) And if a parent doesn’t need its the permission of its children for anything but a few exceptions, how much less does God the creator and sustainer of all things need it? And consider the evil consequences of this free will logic, at least Doreen’s: Humans must ask each other for permission to help each other in all circumstances, including to save each others lives. Consider how many more people in the world would be ignorant, sad, injured and dead from such a law. But many people realize the evil of such bad logic, and have made “good Samaritan” type laws as are mentioned on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law. It’s noteworthy that Wikipedia however, doesn’t point out the origin of such laws: God’s word.

“Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.” – Colossians 2:18

“the devil took [Yeshua] to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” – Matthew 4:8-10

“I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.” – 2 Corinthians 11:12-14

“who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?” – Romans 9:20-21

Update: 6-16-2011

Yesterday, after having written the above (except Romans 9:20-21 which I added while adding this note), I finally realized the solution to what was a long and great mystery to me: “Is the human will and all wills “random” (because random would seem to be the result of ‘not controlled’, in other words, not a machine that is just programming or being moved around by God directly or indirectly), and is randomness necessary, and if random, how could God predict what would happen in the future correctly? And is a random will necessary for self-awareness and responsibility for the actions of the person who makes choices using their will?” God’s word had the answer all along. First of all, it makes it clear that God predestines everything (and the claim that God doesn’t predestine anyone to Hell is stupid). God doesn’t destine some things and others allow to be loose, random and free to do whatever. Second, there is no evidence that a will must be random in order for a person to be aware of themselves and that their choices and to be responsible for them.

“To humans belong the plans of the heart” – Proverbs 16:1

“A person’s steps are directed by Yahweh” – Proverbs 20:24

“In Yahweh’s hand the king’s heart is a stream of water that he channels toward all who please him.” – Proverbs 21:1

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  1. Christian Hyde-White
    December 2, 2012 at 5:56 AM

    Doreen Virtue claimed to have studied for a PhD at London Great University; when told that no such academic institution exists, she had to admit that she bought her PhD from a non-accredited correspondence university.

    PhD’s like myself only use the title Dr in academic settings, but Virtue, and all the other angel nuts, never miss an opportunity to title themselves ‘ Dr Doreen Virtue PhD’

    She also claims to have worked with British physicist Professor Andrew Lainton; Professor Lainton completely denies ever meeting Doreen Virtue, and is threatening to sue her if she continues to promote this falsehood.

    Doreen Virtue is a fantasist and a con artist

    • December 2, 2012 at 8:30 AM

      “London Great”? Sounds like someone who is Chinese and doesn’t understand English well, or who is so careless about life that she ends up being a sloppy scammer. “Great London” sounds proper, but “London Great” is weird. Seems she has missing a lot of common sense to even know how to tell a decent lie.

  2. May 23, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Doreen Virtue is a scam artist through and through. She just sells books and angel cards (repackaged upbeat Tarot card things) to make a killing on the naive. If i had to guess, I think she is too obvious to be a member or a puppet of a New World Goverment/Freemason/Illumaniti organization. All she is is one of the luckiest and most successful and skilled self publicizers in history. I personally don’t think any of her cards or techniques could cause a demonic possession, because it is all an obvious fabrication. She is just a pretend fortune teller who is really clever and good at publicizing herself.

    The only real danger is that someone might believe that their angel cards or psychic messengers are telling them to stay and endure an abusive relationship/friendship/job. The problem with these fortune telling cards is that they are random in nature and can produce any instruction when they are used to any question, and can give a false sense of security in a dangerous situation. Personally, I think Doreen Virtue could be responsible for a lot of human pain because of these false instructions, and that she would be willing to due anything to maintain a steady cash flow and powerrush from her brainwashed followers.

    I don’t think it is neccessary to confront her, because there is just no way to prove that she doesn’t have invisible friends and because her followers are completely and absolutley brainwashed beyond hope. (my brother, sister and mother are her followers). However, the more information that exists on posts condeming her on the internet like this, the more people will start to realize how much manipulative money making garbage is out there. Kudos to the author, I believe that the sancity and security of our minds and spirits are paramount to happiness in life.

    • June 4, 2013 at 2:11 AM

      You don’t have to be very intelligent to be very popular, George Noory can cause a person to become popular by promoting them and asking softball questions and not allowing challenging questions from guess, and there are many gullible people these days, especially people with narcissism disorder, which is a symptom of it, and Satan is still blinding the world as usual. The main media is liberal, but doesn’t promote New Ageism specifically as far as I’ve seen, in fact, it promotes Darwinism usually. Huckabee and Anne Coulter on the Fox News Network are the only ones who, that I know of at least, are known for their belief in an intelligently created universe. Ben Stein, a guest who often appears on CNBC is also a believer in and promoter of intelligent design, and he’s a Jew too, as in racially.

  3. Yuku
    September 7, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    About me I read all biblical text and mythology .
    Her cards have powerful and good messages like Raphael cards they instruct people to drink more water eat organic and that Jesus can heal you do exercise other cards be willing to forgive , let go and forgive and yes more . about her mistake like humans we make mistakes and her mistake was no to study theology don’t Jude her and be so hard with her .
    her mistake was no to include god and Jesus in all her prayers and to create the other decks like mermaids fairy and dolphins and specially tarot is black magic and the fairy and mermaid deck u contact elementals. I think she is a gifted person and there is persons who have the gift to see spirits is when the 3 eye is open yes she can be deceived but one thing is for real we have guardian angels and they are always helping us about free will she mean for example when some one make a love spell that is violate free will u are making that person to love you that is condemned by god so what she mean by asking for help yes when u are for example with negative thinking and u ask please I want to have positive and lovely thinking they can but only if u ask cuz if no they are interfering with u personal space .
    I personally thing that Conflicts exist all religions are agains one to another even god say that we will argue about him for example for Judaism only god exist and Jesus is the messiahs for other religions the son of god for the Islam the messiahs etc
    About praying to the angles well yes we can’t worship them there is other biblical passage where some one asked for angel assistance and one helped him so I personally think that we should never judge people or talk bad about them with negativity i think we should read and do some investigation instead and pray for god and ask him to send some help or always with respect .
    About practicing or channeling energy I don’t recommend it we can attract spirits with no good intentions blessings and the all knowing is only god

    • September 8, 2013 at 2:58 AM

      Please click the logical fallacies link and the evidence for the Bible link on the top of my blog, because you’re mind is scattered all over the place and reading what’s at those links CAREFULLY, might straighten it out.

  4. Shane
    September 26, 2015 at 11:18 PM

    Generally, Christians should not be reading any books written by a medium like Doreen Virtue. Being a medium is banned in the Bible. Therefore it is a contradiction to say that a medium is communicating with angels. I believe she is communicating with beings claiming to be angels but Christians believe these beings are actually demons. A good book to read is A Brilliant Deception by Chris Kline. If you don’t want to read the book but wish to have a brief summary, go to my fb page: God Chris Kline Encounters. I recommend an online forum discussion too, which can be found under “Muhammad’s First Vision ” on the Expat Indonesia Forum. Hong Xiuquan is discussing books about mediums who claim to have seen and received messages from angels on that forum thread. God bless.

  5. Stephanie R
    December 30, 2015 at 3:22 AM

    I fell in the trap of following what she says or written. Then I read her Ascending Masters and then I question everything she said. How can she come up with a reference of different gods, goddesses, Jesus. She states she meditated and each showed themselves and told her what to write. Umm okay. So then I started to wonder. So I prayed before bed to God not angels and asked him one question. I said who is Doreen Virtue? I woke up sometime in the night with a voice who said ‘devil’. I threw out all her evil materials and went home to God and that’s where I belong. I felt shame for even believing her words although I also credited God first but still a sin to follow false prophets.

    • December 31, 2015 at 7:14 PM

      scary…

    • December 31, 2015 at 7:15 PM

      Happy you found the truth, hope to see you in Heaven, may God give you a good year next year.

  6. February 14, 2017 at 11:09 AM

    Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

    • March 10, 2017 at 10:37 PM

      Stop taking actions of evil people out of the context of their lies. The Bible plainly warns of liars, just cuz, as Jesus himself said, says, Lord, lord” doesn’t make you simply “for” Christ or someone you shouldn’t expose or correct for lying. The Bible DOES NOT teach to be simple minded like you are teaching!

  7. March 27, 2017 at 5:57 AM

    I will say a good prayer for you to be saved from yourself. If Jesus came today I dont think you would recognize Him.

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