Chuck Missler last night was on Coast to Coast AM. He appeared to be a loving saved Christian, but then I noticed at one point where he was using Coast to Coast to preach, gave a typical Arminian gospel (which is a misleading one that leads people to Hell and makes them “twice a child of Hell as … you” to quote Jesus), which is “accept that Jesus died on a the cross for you” MINUS ASKING GOD TO FORGIVE YOU. As usual, Christian-hater and fundamentalist-hater George Noory, who hates to listen to Christian preaching, and who knows that most of his audience does too (and is successful because he twists, avoids, and marginalizes it, like Chuck Missler does), stopped his Christian guest short (Chuck) when Chuck was preach his version of the gospel. It is possible that Chuck was going to say after saying that you must accept the lord’s death, that you must also ask him for forgiveness, BUT Chuck had two hours to make that point and was not shy to take advantage of the show, and it’s a crucial part of the gospel, yet Chuck did not mention it. This is how Arminians are. Why? It’s because being that they believe that they have goodness in them, they have pride, pride that they can have eternal peace apart from God’s goodness produced by this goodness in them, so then, they believe that they don’t truly need God’s forgiveness for eternal peace or perfect peace, and they also believe in their own goodness so much, they can’t accept that God would hate anyone. They also no doubt to me believe that they don’t need God’s forgiveness, because, “God doesn’t hate anyone.” No doubt to me they also believe that God wouldn’t hate anyone, because he already took his anger out on Jesus (which if they believe, is truly twisted: because they are saying that God hated his own perfect Son, but not those who refuse to ask God to forgive them for disobeying him/being imperfect) or on the sins that Jesus suffered for (which would be nonsensical, because sins don’t feel pain, they are actions, not living, or “objects of wrath.”) They are also evil in that they can’t accept that God would even hate a person if they weren’t good. So for all those reasons, is why they stop short at “Jesus shed his blood on a cross for your sins” and some perhaps, won’t even mention that Jesus suffered, or will avoid it, because it’s “distasteful” to them or they can’t believe that God would deliberately make anyone suffer, or that Jesus needed to. Or, they may believe that Jesus volunteered to suffer, and therefore was punishing himself, not God, but because they don’t think the suffering was important, but rather the blood-shedding on a cross and for many, baptism (which many Arminians obsess on as being necessary for eternal peace). They also believe that they have a completely free will, which can’t be influenced (which is an insane belief since it goes against common sense). They believe this because they hate God and want to be his equal, which is why they call themselves “sovereign”, and so they also believe that God can’t destine anyone, avoid talking about the parts of the Bible that mention destiny, or miscontrue it as “election” (that God elects whom he will save because he saw in the future that they would do good), and hypocritically, though they acknowledge that God is sovereign, refuse to accept that God has the same “rights” they they believe he gave to them, that he can hate whom he wants to, and decide what the future of his life will be (which includes how the lives of others will be).
These teachings of theirs are contradictory, because they admit that they have disobeyed God, admit that it’s so bad in God’s eyes, admit that they must repent, and that sin angers God so much, that he punished his only begotten son, a perfect son, Jesus, who was also God, severely, and so severely that figuratively, God says that, “he became sin.” But despite that, Arminians repeatedly fail to say that we must ask God to forgive us. This explanation I have given, makes it clear that Arminians are prideful and self-righteous (and again, they admit that they are good apart from God, or can be).
And because of they refuse to acknowledge that they are evil, that they need God’s goodness done in them to be good, and Christ’s good life up to his sacrifice as an appeasement to God for our lack of a good life and none sacrifice and inability to sacrifice ourselves without it being never-ending, they refuse to accept what is logical and reject common sense, and so are prone to all kinds of other errors, and life all those who are unsaved, often make hypocritical compromises, which leads to them further contradicting their main beliefs.
Chuck also believes that all the saved Christians will be raptured into Heaven so that they don’t have to go through the tribulation, taking this verse out of context:
“in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed.”
The context is made clear by Paul:
1Co 15:35 But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Foolish one! What you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow, you do not sow the body that is going to be, but a bare grain (perhaps of wheat or of some of the rest).
1Co 15:38 And God gives it a body as it has pleased Him, and to each of the seeds its own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh; but one kind of flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fish, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly is truly different, and that of the earthly different;
1Co 15:41 one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption;
1Co 15:43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul,” the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.
1Co 15:46 But not the spiritual first, but the natural; afterward the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was out of earth, earthy; the second Man was the Lord from Heaven.
1Co 15:48 Such the earthy man, such also the earthy ones. And such the heavenly Man, such also the heavenly ones.
1Co 15:49 And according as we bore the image of the earthy man, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
1Co 15:50 And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed;
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed.
If you can’t tell what the context is: it’s the second resurrection. The first resurrection happens when Christ returns, destroys the anti-Christ, false prophet, beast, and hundreds of millions or billions of evil people, and reigns for a thousand years. That happens AFTER the tribulation, or completes it. Here is the reference in the Bible to this first resurrection: “Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.” – Revelation 20:6.
Chuck was also being a hypocrite when George Noory told him that he was concerned that Harold Camping’s false prophecies (or predictions or interpretations of the Bible about when the end of the world would be) would lead some to suicide, and Chuck said he was concerned that it would lead some to disbelieve the Bible and that atheists would use it to blaspheme God. Yet Chuck is doing little different by also giving a false timing for the rapture. What will all those Christians who go through the tribulation think, and how will they feel, without that stable goodness of God in them, when the anti-Christ bludgeons them and persecutes them, and Jesus doesn’t come to take them out of their worry or doesn’t affirm that their complacency is a good thing? Will the majority of them think, “Oh no, the Calvinists were right” or “The Baptists and Presbyterians were right?” No: they will “fall away” and “betray one another” and some or many will rationalize taking on the mark of the Beast because they can’t believe that God will have left them behind, and that as many of them believe I’m sure, the mark is really “a computer chip that is implanted into you”, and some will probably realize they were wrong, and out of greater hatred for God for not giving them there way, will take the mark in an attempt to harm God through such provocation. Some will probably disbelieve the Bible and commit suicide, seeing how bad the world gets or because of the severe persecution, and not having God in them to help to “not fear those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul.” (Matthew 10:28)
The Arminian’s Confusion Over The Will and Man’s Sovereignty
Many Christians and pseudo-Christians, like Mormons, are Arminians, or have Arminian-like beliefs. The Mormons no doubt have them because their founder, the narcissist sociopath Joseph Smith, knew of a major split between various Christians, that which was between those who believed in predestiny and those who believed that man was in control of his future and Joseph also believed that the U.S. Constitution, was divinely inspired, though it was really a creation of deists, perhaps influenced by what they learned from some Indian/Native American tradition or laws. The U.S. Constitution that mankind had “inalienable rights”. Inalienable means “Incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another” and repudiated in part, means, “reject as untrue”. And “right” in that context, means, “An abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition, nature or God.” And the Deists believed that mankind had the right to liberty and to pursue a life of happiness. The Bible does teach that you have the option to attempt to have liberty, which means, “freedom from servitude, confinement or oppression” and to try to be happy, and that it is natural to be happy over certain things, but it doesn’t teach that liberty and happiness itself are something you will have in life, though it seems that most people get to experience being happy at least one time in their life, the exception being maybe babies that are born severely deformed or incomplete, or people who are always in severe physical pain. A confused person, like a narcissist might think that liberty and happiness was guaranteed to him by God and also a person who resents God’s authority and control over them, and so it shouldn’t be a surprise such people would obsess over their “rights”, and even turn them into major religious teachings like Arminus (the founder of Arminiasm) and Joseph Smith did. Joseph Smith’s cult has their own fancy phrase for the will, calling it “free agency” in an attempt to make themselves sound wise and to distinguish themselves from other cults and the Christians (and which is a term that leads to further confusion). Joseph Smith even made his own attempted replacement or out-doing of the Bible, called “The Book of Mormon”, and stupidly included the words “rights” and “liberty”, repeatedly, and ended up sounding like a poor imitator of various speeches made by the “founding fathers”. The Book of Mormon ended up being littered with punctuation and grammar errors and major plagiarism from the Bible that he attempted to out-do. Joseph Smith also tried copying it’s literary style, and failed often due to his ignorance of Old English grammar. He even copied the italics in the King James Bible into the Book of Mormon, making it even more obvious that he wasn’t divinely inspired, but a forgetful and lazy idiot, and whose fatigue (caused by his making his long rambling work while sinning and desiring to sin), hindered him. And so again was fulfilled these verses: “Let God be true and every man a liar.” (Romans 3:4) and “For the wisdom of this world is nonsense in God’s sight. For it is written, ‘He catches the wise with their own trickery’.”
As I’ve taught before, there is no conflict between “free will” and God destining everything he made. The confusion is over what “will” means and what it is, something which opinionators and God-haters keep misdefining. A will doesn’t mean “a thing which is free and makes choices freely without influence”, which is where the illogical term “free will” comes from. And if the will is free, then “free will” is a redundant phrase. But the will is a part of the human mind that makes choices, but choices which are influenced, and choices which aren’t always able to be fulfilled, and choices which God does not have to respect or love, if they are against what he says is good. And God can influence people perfectly, and doesn’t need to do so directly in all instances, for him to cause to happen what he wants to. He can get what he wants indirectly, in various ways. He designed the universe and gave it the direction he wanted, knowing what would happen, and what would happen when he permitted things and commanded things and directly intervened. So, he has pre-destined everything, and there is no getting around that. No scheme will change that, and no teaching will make it less true; God is sovereign, and his will never fails, and we are under his influence, in this universe, which belongs to him, not us.
Update: 5/20/2011, 11:20
George Noory has yet another Christian on named Dr. Joye Jeffries Pugh, who is also teaching the rapture is a non-judgment day event, who at 8:44 AM I just learned was most likely saved (I’ve been talking to her). She taught that the rapture happens after the tribulation as far as I can remember from the show, but I’m not sure. I’m trying to find out now.
Additional Information:
DANIEL KNIGHT'S WEBSITE 
rapture for seventh day adventists will be avenged sevenfold
that sentence makes no sense, and maybe God will avenge me over you wasting my time
Young man, get a life and focus on the real un-Christion cults. I’ve known “Chuck” for 30+ years and never heard such nonsense. However, if you are an avid Calvinists read John 15 which says ,”if you abide” and if you are a true believer and have read and studied your Bible you’d know you can justify either Calvinism or Arminianism and they both are wrong. So get your facts straight before you condemn someone who is a dead to right sinner just as you are. So pull up you little boy pants get a life and the Truth.
Get a life is not a biblical aegument and pointing out some random verse doesn’t magically mean a thing let alone prove your stupidmself right. How about you read it and pray to understand it without your pride and read carefully what Christians teach, and not simply Chuck or those you favor because they satiafy your itchig ears? And no stupid ignoramus: the Bible doean’t say anything and therefore will not approve of whatevee private interpretation you want, if it did then it’s a useless book of babble like the babble you write. Think about he obvious you idiot sinner, how can the Bible teach opposites if God’s perfect word, and what does it matter if you know Chuck or for 1000 years if the Bible can be used to justify lying and murder by cherry picking verses? If so then no one is truly good or evil so why say “I know Chuck is good”? Good based on a Bible that your careless narcissist self says “says whatever you want, whatever you feel like, says you are good if you do evil”? You’re like a stupid demon, shut up and listen for once you demented fool, you are an arrogant stupid hypocrite to think your crappy little rant magically or logically defeats clear Biblical teachings and Calvin’s doctrine based on it and endless other long careful arguments. I didn’t read your whole rant because I could see it was emotion-based babble. You are evil, and ingnored now. No doubt God will continue ignoring you forever. “But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, for you know they only cause strifes.” – apostle Paul, speaking God’s word which says, you idiot, we are PREDESTINED
Wow! Your response to Nick Staytus is filled with hate and insults plenty: “your stupid self”, “stupid ignoramus”, “you idiot sinner”, “your crappy little rant”, etc. For a moment I thought I was reading something written by a Moslem. And YOU call yourself “predestined”… to what? Not Heaven! Jesus said we would give account for our words and you are bankrupt!
Jesus DID die for all of us, but we are only saved if we ACCEPT the free gift of Salvation. Just because God foreknew who would accept His gift does not negate our free will and our responsibility.
Do not be an accuser of the brethren. If there is a TRULY unbiblical teaching, then actually use the bible to correct it, not just rehash (and misinterpret) arguments from centuries ago and accuse those with a different opinion (which you misrepresented) as being false teachers.
CALVINISM IS THE TRULY FALSE GOSPEL JESUS SAID HOW OFTEN I WANTED TO GATHER YOU UNDER MY WINGS BUT YOU REFUSED.CALVINISM LIES AND CLAIM MAN HAS NO FREE WILL .HELLO GUESS JESUS FAILED TO MENTION THEY COULD NOT BE GATHERED UNDER HIS WINGS BECAUSE GOD REFUSED TO ALLOW THEM LOLOLOL http://kirbyhopper.com/the-monster-god-of-calvinism/
Danny, it says, ‘how often I desired’ or ‘longed’, not “wanted/WILLED”, and clearly God did not will Jerusalem to be saved, because God’s will cannot be defeated. So no: your gospel is false, you misquoted and mistaught Scripture here. It also does not make sense in that it doesn’t say ‘world’ but only refers to the people there. Further, you’re claiming the gospel is inneffective to save, because “we’ll just use our free will to reject it”. And as usual, you Free Willers are contradicting and ignoring many other Scriptures like that Satan has the world bound in emotional and mental chains. The “strong man” is still, “blinding your mind” Danny. You aren’t free, and you won’t be free in Hell because your “free will” chose Hell. You’re mind is backwards and warped and hostile towards God’s love. You’re kind obsesses on and glorifies your ability to reject God because WOW, SHOW TIME, DRAMA, PRIDE TIME: WELL THAT’S WHAT WE WANTED YOU NASTY CHILDREN OF GOD, HA! YOUR GOD MONSTER DIDN’T MAKE US DO ANYTHING WE DIDN’T WANT!”. Well whoopie doo for you, and because that’s your (childish) claim to fame, that your not blind as the Pharisees implied to Christ, then your condemnation – your punishment will be even more severe: you’re saying it wasn’t God hardening your hearts, but you willfully being sinful and treasuring that ability. But the true children of God’s kingdom treasure God’s mercy, his protection, his undefeatable love/salvation and will, we don’t boast and with no point as your kind does about our will and what we do, but what Christ did and continues to do: HEAL, without asking for our permission or Satan’s permission, our evil hearts and minds and save, and RESCUE without asking us to do so. Only warped people would think, “we must ask to rescue someone first”. Do you ask a sheep fallen into a pit, stuck there, to be taken out? Do you ask children in a coma, “Permit me to take you out of your coma and heal your brain”. Yet Scripture likens us to wandering, stuck sheep and corpses. Like Jesus said, it’s not the righteous he came to save, SAVE, DANNY, not “nudge”, not “help a little”, “but sinners”, people who keep messing up and who cannot do right, cannot make a right choice with the necessary heart-felt contrition, SO, God transforms them and puts their will in harmony with his, and as Scripture says will one day percect in harmony. But your kind resists that and hates that, because your “works were evil”, so you want more of that darkness you only know. You love the glory of man more than God and why you keep ignoring Scripture and cherry-pick only what sarisfies your itching ears, hearing only what pleases you.
Calvinism is utter darkness . If man has no free will then no point in the testing of Job in the book of Job Come on use your logic folks God did not say to Satan oh Job mine because he has no free will .Hello Satan mention why Jo follow God and Satan surely would have said to God oh he yours because you make him follow you because Job like all humans has no free will .The stupidity of Calvinism . Calvinism makes God a monster who throws people in hell because God did not want them to be saved .Calvinism changes the Bible to say Jesus only died for them not the rest of the whole world
No, you’re in darkness and blinded by Satan, you mind in the chains of that “strong man”.
“Calvinism is utter darkness”
Using an emotionalism ending in a period with no proof already suggests the rest of your comments will be ignorant on-the-fly rambling, aka “after thoughts”.
“If man has no free will”
Define ‘free will’, you can’t, because you don’t know what you’re talking about. You think isl . _lj- blurry evil way that it means, “the ability to successfully resist towards defeating God’s will”, 1. The Bible says it is not possible for man to defeat God’s will. You can resist, but that too is by God’s will. His will cannot be broken. Your will is not free the way you wish and understand it to mean. Our minds are tied to our emotions unlike God’s perhaps, and God determines our emotional direction and therefore choices as he knows exactly what will happen if he allows or not something to happen or causes a thing to happen. He knows everything, he knows all the outcomes and knows every possible reality. He does not guess anything.
“then no point in the testing of Job in the book of Job”
Why would there be no point in proving to Satan and us that God could keep Job from rejecting him? Where does Scripture show even one Christian losing salvation or speaking of such occuring, anywhere? Jesus didn’t even mention the possibility in his parable and explanation of the sower and the seeds.
“Come on”
Don’t appeal to emotions
“use your logic folks”
Who said “we” weren’t?
“God did not say to Satan oh Job mine because he has no free will”
What? Why would he? A thing isn’t owned by God because it gave God permission. “Does the pot say to the potter,” “You had no right to make me?” – Romans. Nor is someone “saved” because they merely decided “I’m giving Jesus permission to be in my heart”/”accepted Christ as my savior”. No, it’s God’s sovereign choice the Bible says as to whether or not GOD (not you or me) will CHANGE a person’s evil heart and cause them to having faith, repentence, sorrow and regret to say, “God, have mercy on me, a sinner” meaning, “God, forgive me of my sins” at which point and only that point gives his eternal forgiveness. It’s a lie saying, “only you can change you.” In fact Scripture repeatedly says God will force us to make choices we otherwise might not make if he didn’t interact. There’s no denying God’s plans are undefeatable, Scripture plainly says so.
“Hello Satan mention why Jo follow God”
And he was wrong.
“and Satan surely would have said to God oh he yours because you make him follow you because Job like all humans has no free will .”
Why would Satan a liar say or know how God’s will works being that he became wicked and Scripture says that the wicked cease to become wise (in knowing and understanding God)? Further, who said Satan knew Job was saved? Further, who said Satan was hoping for anything more than to torment Job or cause others to reject or sin (which he did cause), isn’t Satan a strife-making, torture-loving, malicious liar? How also do you know that Satan afterwards thought the lie you do, and uses people like you to spread a confusing and misleading lie.
You clearly also misdefine a will as only being a will if it can succeed at defeating God’s will, now you think: is that not evil Satanic logic? “Hey God, you’re evil, you didn’t give Job a will, see, he only loves you and won’t hate you, he has no freedom, he’s a slave for only doing your will.” You are speaking for Satan, a doctrine of a demon is what you’ve sloppily presented. In fact, Scripture even says we true Christians are “slaves of righteousness, being built up by God in Christ’s image / way of perfect love for God, not “love for freedom to do as we wish despite God and built up to love ourselves first, and then God”. No, God commanded us to perfectly love him with all our heart.
Further you’re making no sense: how did Satan’s tests prove Job did have a free will and who said that was the tests purpose or that God can’t use evil to prove something Satan wasn’t even thinking? The test proved God’s will cannot be broken, nor the will to love him if it’s his choice. What else was the main point other than that?
“The stupidity of Calvinism .”
Insults like that defeat your purpose. They prove only you’re time-wasting hate and arrogance and the Bible’s command to “AVOID ARGUMENTS OF IGNORANCE” and prove Christians right when they block and ignore your kind.
“Calvinism makes God a monster who throws people in hell because God did not want them to be saved .”
No, you made that claim. The Bible shows sin leads to Hell for us and that God desires mercy, but also to demonstrate justice for the benefit of those he saved. Further, though going to Hell is so bad it’s a “second death” even then God is protecting sinners from more sins against them and others, similar to being jailed in a cell by yourself and unable to harm others. Further, you’re slandering God by ignoring he gave countless wicked people and less-than-wicked a long decent life. In fact before Noah’s Flood allowed humans and half-humans to live hundreds of years and letting them commit mass murders. And now as has sometimes happened he’s allowing frequent mass murders again. For you to pretend God is overbearing on us when the result of his word being supressed results in mass extreme crimes which you and Satan clearly hope for is sick. It’s why anti-Calvinists should not be allowed membership in Reformed-doctrine-based churches.
“Calvinism changes the Bible to say Jesus only died for them not the rest of the whole world”, no, the Bible says that: “Jesus said, ‘I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.'” Further, you anti-Calvinists contradict with your useless, “Jesus suffered and died for all individuals”: 1. why would Jesus suffer and die for people he knew would reject him, which the Bible implies is almost everyone, and is obvious from history, apparently 99.9% rejection? Jesus isn’t illogical and stupid. Further it’s your kind who makes Jesus a monster by implying God loves everyone and Jesus died for all (but not the fallen angels, just because!) and therefore we’re all his children (making that term of no deep significance and shallow in that all the word “children” would mean then is “a person that has God’s attention” rather than “a person God cares for/loves to the extent of eternally protecting them from any harm”) BUT God’s going to eternally imprison his children APART FROM HIS GOODNESS in a torturous prison, and many will not “have rest night or day” but be in constant torment. How is that logical or loving. Are you a narcissist or psychopath who is unable to understand that “child” is not merely “a thing created by God”? And isn’t that your point even? But so YOU contradict yourself by first implying “child” means a person God protects but conveniently ignore Scripture says most of what you call children (so you’re switching it’s meaning by how your using it in contradictory ways – a known logical fallacy) WILL BE THROWN into Hell, you even say so! So WHAT is your point? Because your own description of God: a being of eternal love for his children will throw most of them into Hell DESPITE that! So no, the Destiny/Calvinist version shows God logical and just: HE WILL NEVER THROW A SINGLE CHILD – PERSON HE LOVES AND PROTECTS – into Hell, he’ll never abandon them to the grave, and JESUS ALREADY MADE SURE OF THAT WITH HIS FULLY SUFFICIENT SACRIFICE. To say otherwise is clear blasphemy and 100% evil, sin and a damnable lie.