Sodomy of Youths by Rich Gay Muslims of Afghanistan ”Increasing”

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The sexually abused dancing boys of Afghanistan
9/7/2010/19:42 ET
by Rustam Qobil BBC World Service

In Afghanistan women are not allowed to dance in public, but boys can be made to dance in women’s clothing – and they are often sexually abused.

It’s after midnight. I’m at a wedding party in a remote village in northern Afghanistan.

There is no sign of the bride or groom, or any women, only men. Some of them are armed, some of them are taking drugs.

Almost everyone’s attention is focused on a 15-year-old boy. He’s dancing for the crowd in a long and shiny woman’s dress, his face covered by a red scarf.

He is wearing fake breasts and bells around his ankles. Someone offers him some US dollars and he grabs them with his teeth.

This is an ancient tradition. People call it bachabaze which literally means “playing with boys”.

The most disturbing thing is what happens after the parties. Often the boys are taken to hotels and sexually abused.

The men behind the practice are often wealthy and powerful. Some of them keep several bachas (boys) and use them as status symbols – a display of their riches. The boys, who can be as young as 12, are usually orphans or from very poor families.

Omid’s story

I spent months trying to find a bacha who was willing to talk about his experience.

Omid (not his real name) is 15 years old. His father died in the fields, when he stepped on a landmine. As the eldest son, it’s his job to look after his mother – who begs on the streets – and two younger brothers.

“I started dancing at wedding parties when I was 10, when my father died,” says Omid.

“We were hungry, I had no choice. Sometimes we go to bed on empty stomachs. When I dance at parties I earn about $2 or some pilau rice.”

I ask him what happens when people take him to hotels. He bows his head and pauses for a long time before answering.

Omid says he is paid about $2 for the night. Sometimes he is gang raped.

I ask him why he doesn’t go to the police for help.

“They are powerful and rich men. The police can’t do anything against them.”

Omid’s mother is in her early 30s, but her hair is white and her face creased. She looks at least 50. She tells me she only has half a kilo of rice and a few onions for dinner. They’ve run out of cooking oil.

She knows that her son dances at parties but she is more concerned about what they will eat tomorrow. The fact that her son is vulnerable to abuse is far from her mind. – More here

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Somalia’s Capital Covered With Corpses

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‘Slow genocide’ in Somalia’s capital Mogadishu
9/7/2010/21:07 ET
by Mohamed Olad Hassan

People watching a tank in a Mogadishu street The African Union force has deployed tanks in the streets to try to halt the insurgents’ advance

The sound of gunfire echoes through almost every street in Mogadishu.

Residential areas frequently come under heavy, indiscriminate shelling, corpses litter the alleyways, and neither side seems to be gaining the upper hand.

For the past two weeks, Somalia’s once-beautiful capital has been the scene of fierce fighting between African Union-backed government forces and Islamist militants.

“This city is proving to be more dangerous than at any other time I can remember,” says resident Jamilo Cilmi. “I have decided to leave for the safety of my children.”

The new wave of violence flared after dozens of people, including six MPs, were killed in a suicide attack on a hotel. The main Islamist militant group, al-Shabab, which controls much of southern and central Somalia, said it had carried out the attack.

The insurgents stepped up their offensive as they attempted to gain control of the presidential palace and a strategically important road linking the hilltop compound in the city centre to the airport to the west.

The African Union force in Somalia (Amisom), which is backing the government forces, has deployed several tanks on the streets in a bid to halt the advance, but the battle is ongoing and the death toll is mounting.

More than 230 people have so far been killed in the clashes, while hospitals in the city have been overwhelmed by the hundreds of injured.

Omar Abdullahi says rotting bodies are piling up in the southern Hodan district, because the fighting has been too intense to collect them.

“Everywhere has turned into a cemetery,” he adds.

‘Nowhere is safe’

Two thirds of the city’s estimated 1.5 million residents have already fled, mostly to makeshift camps on the outskirts.

But this leaves some 500,000 people still braving the fighting. – More here

Gold Price Rises To Record High In Europe

Gold eyes record high as risk appetite retreats
9/8/2010/5:35 A.M. EDT
by Jan Harvey, edited by Alison Birrane

LONDON (Reuters) – Gold prices rose toward record highs in Europe on Wednesday as concerns over the European banking system weighed on appetite for assets seen as higher risk, like stocks, and diverted investment into bullion.

Spot gold was bid at $1,258.35 an ounce at 0915 GMT GMT, against $1,253.10 late in New York on Tuesday. U.S. gold futures for December delivery rose 90 cents to $1,260.20.

The metal has hit tough resistance at $1,260 an ounce, just below its all-time high of $1,264.90, reached in June. But analysts say they are confident in the metal’s rise.

“It seems to be benefiting from equity weakness, the renewed euro zone sovereign debt jitters and possibly concerns about new U.S. spending measures,” said Citigroup analyst David Thurtell.

He said while some funds would be selling ahead of technical resistance at $1,260, “it’s looking good.”

European stocks fell at the open on Wednesday, tracking losses in Asia, led by shares in Japan’s big exporters as a rise in the yen to a new 15-year high threatened to erode their overseas earnings.

The euro, little changed against the dollar, hit a lifetime low against the Swiss franc as fears over the banking sector prompted investors to seek refuge in the safe-haven Swiss currency.

Heightened risk aversion was also reflected on the bond markets. Bund futures opened higher on worries about banks and after Ireland extended its guarantee for short-term bank liabilities.

“With European debt concerns set to intensify, we expect further investment diversification to propel the metals to fresh highs,” said analyst James Moore in a note.


Among other commodities, oil fell for a third session to below $74 a barrel, pressured by rising U.S. petroleum stockpiles and as a decline in equities reflected investors’ attempts to reduce risk exposure.

On the supply side of the gold markets, China said its production of the yellow metal fell 5.8 percent in July to 31.059 tons. China is the world’s biggest gold miner.

Gold prices are well placed technically after breaking out of the relatively narrow $1,175-1,225 an ounce range they stuck to for much of the summer, analysts said.

“The break of last week’s high of $1,254 gets us that much closer to target $1,265,” said ScotiaMocatta in a note. “A similar pattern was seen last week when we broke above the previous weeks high of $1,244.”

However, demand for physical gold from consumers like jewelers was muted in higher prices. Wholesale gold buying in India, the world’s biggest bullion consumer, weakened on Wednesday as prices rose.

But dealers in Mumbai said overall demand was still being supported by festival-related buying.

Elsewhere silver also rose 0.3 percent to $19.91 an ounce from $19.83, having earlier approached the previous session’s high at $20, the metal’s highest price in 2-1/2 years.

Platinum was at $1,555 an ounce against $1,553.03, while palladium was at $523 against $520.85.

The metals have taken support in recent weeks from strikes going on in major platinum group metals producer South Arica, though the mining industry itself has been little affected.

“It is the climate of industrial action throughout the country that we believe is important and may hold relevance for platinum prices,” said HSBC in a note. “South Africa produces three-quarters of the world’s platinum output.”

“Unlike gold, platinum’s supply/demand balances are tight, with relatively little refined platinum held in above-ground storage.” – Source

Destroyed!: Evolutionist Theory of How Solar System Formed

WOW, what a lost utter failure of a cause Darwin’s stolen twisted theory of evolution has been, it’s one under cut and slice to the top middle and bottom after another, and so much for atheism too:

(Published on 9/3/2010:)

Trojan asteroids make planetary scientist lose sleep

A FAMILY of asteroids that travels in lockstep with Jupiter appears to be different in one important respect from their purported kin in the outer solar system. The mismatch could spell trouble for the leading theory of how our solar system evolved.

This theory, called the Nice model, suggests that as Jupiter and Saturn moved to their current orbits, they wreaked gravitational havoc in the early solar system, scattering lumps of rock in their vicinity. Some of these ended up on tilted orbits in the distant Kuiper belt, beyond the orbit of Neptune. Others were hurled inwards, with more than 4000 getting trapped on Jupiter’s orbital path as “Trojan” asteroids.

Now Wesley Fraser at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, and colleagues, say that the Trojans have a different size distribution to tilted Kuiper belt objects (Icarus, DOI: 10.1016/j.icarus.2010.08.001). That suggests that the Trojans have a different origin, but if so, the Nice model cannot say where they formed. All it can say is that they could not have formed where they are now, as they would have ended up being shunted elsewhere.

Fraser says he has “lost a lot of sleep” over the puzzle. Alessandro Morbidelli of the Côte d’Azur Observatory in France, who helped develop the Nice model, says he “cannot imagine any scenario that has a chance to explain this result”. But he says there is still some disagreement over the sizes of tilted objects in the Kuiper belt, so it may be premature for “modellers to bang their head against the wall”. – Source

Interesting how these evolutionists refer to these asteroids as “Trojans” as if they were something evil, rather than blessing God for revealing to them the truth. God is so evil when he gently and peacefully reveals truths to those not just love him, but hate him, isn’t he? The “Trojans”, are those who pretend to be good, especially a “child of God”, when clearly God hates evil, including evil beings.

You hate all who do wrong.
Psalm 5:5

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Atheist Evolutionists of National Geographic “Solved Mystery” Everyone!

The Yeti crab is blind, yet still manages to see better than atheists with eyes that can see.

Check it out everyone, the atheist evolutionists of National Geographic have committed high blasphemy against Father Darwin by not mentioning evolution in one of their articles!:

Mystery Solved … Crab Swarm

A new study solves a longstanding mystery surrounding the crabs: how the the normally sedentary species has the stamina to “undergo one of the most arduous migrations on Earth,” in the words of study co-author Lucy Turner.

When the wet season blows into Christmas Island (map) each year, millions of Christmas Island red crabs hike for several days, from a high rain forest plateau down to Indian Ocean beaches, where the crabs mate in burrows.

“It’s an amazing feat—going from not being able to exercise for more than ten minutes to walking for several miles,” said Turner, a biologist at the University of Bristol in the United Kingdom.

But by sampling circulatory fluid—the equivalent of blood—from migrating crabs, Turner and colleagues discovered that a surge in the crustacean hyperglycemic hormone works with glucose, an energy-producing sugar, to fuel the epic trek.

(See “World’s Longest Migration Found—Two Times Longer Than Thought.”)

The crab’s endocrine system also stockpiles enough sugar to allow the crabs to return to their forest homes, Turner added.

Study published in the September issue of the Journal of Experimental Biology.

—Christine Dell’Amore

Published September 3, 2010

(Just forget how the crab’s evolved to have such a system everyone and focus on how National Geographic posted a sciency “discovery”. Don’t ask questions, no further explanations needed; evolutionists are the bestiest, rightiest, “no Gods no guilt” non-group group of people with no beliefs, I mean who have different beliefs (and no similar ones, but “atheists are perfect.” Just look, they even posted a story on the danger of BPA SEVEN DAYS AGO! THEY ARE REALLY LEADING THE WAY ON HEALTH WARNINGS NOW! WOOOOOOIE! (This health campaign by Christians and others from May 12, 1999 to eliminate BPA doesn’t really count, it’s nooooot reeeeeeeeeeal peeeeeeoople, nothing to see here.) And they are letting tons of people comment too can’t you see?! Oh wait, they still have none, might be because everytime I try they give me the friendly message: “You are not allowed to comment.” Only atheists may speak their deep thoughts, like, “be honest you damn theists! Stop being hypocrites! I love to get drunk and act stupid with my sisters and try to deconvert them to atheism.” Atheists are so profound and scientific.)

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New Zealand earthquakes damage 100,000 homes – problems with silt

[Please read: Obama the False Christian Bashes Bible and Ignores Death Penalty for Afghan Christians]

Note: for those of you looking for direct information on the Christchurch, Feb 22, 2011,
6.3m earthquake, the information is here,
not below, which was last years earthquakes (2010).

(Update 10:36 A.M. 2/22/2011: I was curious to know if aliens had taken notice of this event – how could none notice, especially if their is a hidden communications network, like an alien Internet – and after a search saw this link at the bottom of Google: UFO OVER NEW ZEALAND EARTHQUAKE 21 FEB 2011. I segmented the relevant frames below and added some arrows to save people time, and also because the video is annoying and pretentious. The pictures are below. The UFO seems to go down into the column of smoke, perhaps to hide its initial entry, but then goes forward:)

2/22/2011 Sequential Cc, NZ Earthquake UFO picture still frames.
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On September 3, 2010 a A 5.7 magnitude earthquake occurred in New Zealand’s South Island, and later a 7.4 m.e.. This map from the USGS shows population exposure to the second quake. 187,000 people are estimated to have felt the quake (indicated in red). 202,000 people felt severe shaking (indicated in orange).

9/5/2010 An hour by hour report of earthquake-related news in New Zealand

AP Video: 7.4 Quake Hits New Zealand

Earthquake of 7.1 magnitude hits New Zealand
9/3/2010 7:42 P.M. EDT by Gyles Beckford WELLINGTON (Reuters) – A major earthquake hit New Zealand’s second biggest city Christchurch early on Saturday, bringing down power lines, ripping up roads and wrecking building facades, but authorities reported no deaths. Authorities declared a formal civil defense state of emergency to coordinate recovery operations in the city, which has a population of about 350,000 people, after facades collapsed into streets, crushing cars and blocking roads. Two men suffered serious injuries and police closed off the central business district. The earthquake had a magnitude of 7.1 and a depth of 10 kms (6 miles), hitting the South Island city and a large surrounding area of farms at around 4.35 a.m. local time (12:35 p.m. EDT Friday). “There’s a lot of damage that I’ve been able to observe in the central city area, mainly of the old brick and masonry buildings, a number of those have got walls that have fallen into the street,” Christchurch mayor Bob Parker told Radio New Zealand. The city’s hospital said two men had been admitted with serious injuries, one hit by a falling chimney and the other cut by glass. It had also treated a few other people with broken bones, cuts and grazes. Police said there were several instances of looting, which had been quickly contained. In the suburbs many houses had broken windows, toppled chimneys, cracked walls and items thrown off shelves. Power was out over a large area of the city and surrounding region as circuit breakers were tripped at substations, but was being progressively restored after safety checks. Water and sewage services were also disrupted, and there were reports of subsidence in some roads. RURAL EPICENTRE Officials were checking how severe the damage was in rural areas, closer to the epicenter, west of the city. Ray O’Donnell, owner of a hotel in Darfield, a small farming community around 20 kms (12 miles) west of Christchurch, said large cracks had appeared in rural roads near the epicenter. GNS Science, the New Zealand government seismological agency, revised its reading of the quake to magnitude 7.1 from an original 7.4. The U.S. Geological Survey initially reported it at 7.4 but later revised its figure to 7.0. The city’s airport was shut as the runway and facilities were checked, and the railway network and bridges throughout the region were also being checked for damage. The quake was felt as a long rolling motion lasting up to 40 seconds. The area was continuing to feel aftershocks as strong as magnitude 5.2. “It was a real rocker, and (we’re) still getting aftershocks. (It) felt like the house was flying on a whirlwind,” Tessa Hay, who lives around 12 km north of the city, told Reuters. Because the quake occurred inland there was no danger of a tsunami. “No destructive widespread tsunami threat exists based on historical earthquake and tsunami data,” the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center said. New Zealand scientists record around 14,000 earthquakes a year, of which around 20 top magnitude 5.0. The last fatal earthquake in the geologically active country, caught between the Pacific and Indo-Australian tectonic plates, was in 1968 when an earthquake measuring 7.1 killed three people on the South Island’s West Coast. – Source [There is a slideshow with this story] Christchurch, New Zealand Closed Off After Massive Earthquake 9/4/2010 by Shar Adams The city centre after a 7.1 magnitude earthquake struck 30km west of Christchurch at 4:35 am this morning September 4, 2010 in Christchurch, New Zealand. (Kurt Langer/Getty Images) Christchurch on New Zealand’s South Island, has been closed to the public after a massive earthquake, 7.1 magnitude, crumpled roads and buildings in the Canterbury area. Central Christchurch has been completely cordoned off to the public such was the damage, New Zealand’s One News reported. Civil Defence Headquarters has called a state of emergency, activating the national crisis centre, as reports surfaced of collapsed buildings, cracks in bridges and roads, crushed cars and disrupted water and sewage pipes. While there have been no deaths reported to date, a number of injured have presented at Christchurch Hospital, Radio New Zealand reported. The quakes epicentre was about 55 km (35 miles) north-west of Christchurch and at a depth of 12k (7.5 miles.) Civil Defence have declared a state of emergency and there has been considerable damage across the city and surrounding areas. Cell phone networks have reportedly gone down and electricity has been cut to around 75 percent of the area. Although Civil Defence is urging people to remain calm and to stay in their homes, people in the towns of New Brighton and Brookland have been warned they may have to evacuate if water and sewage continue to flood the area. Douglas Brown, who lives close to Christchurch, said he could see the effects of the quake right outside his door. “You can put your fist into the cracks in the road,” he [said by phone]. Mr Brown also said there was silt like water bubbling up through the ground. – Source New Zealand earthquake ‘damaged 100,000 homes’ from 9/6/2010/07:28 ET A building damaged by Saturday’s earthquake is demolished in Christchurch (6 September 2010) Despite the widespread damage caused by the earthquake, no-one was killed Almost two-thirds of the 160,000 homes in and around Christchurch have been damaged by Saturday’s earthquake, New Zealand’s prime minister has said. John Key said many had been damaged beyond repair, and that it might take some time to discover the damage to the region’s underground infrastructure. A state of emergency in Christchurch has been extended until Wednesday, and the city centre remains cordoned off. Experts have warned a major aftershock could rock the area in the near future. More than 80 aftershocks have been recorded since Saturday’s 7.0-magnitude tremor, the strongest of which had a magnitude of 5.1. “It is still possible that we’ll have a magnitude 6 in the next week, and people ought to be aware of that, particularly if they are around structures which are already damaged,” Ken Gledhill of the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences told the NZPA news agency. “For a shallow earthquake like this, they will go on for weeks,” he added. “And if a building is badly damaged, it won’t take much shaking to push it over.” Despite the widespread damage caused by the strong earthquake, no-one was killed and only two serious injuries were reported. Mr Key, who visited earthquake-stricken parts of the country’s South Island over the weekend, said 430 houses and another 70 buildings had already been earmarked for demolition by assessment teams. About 100,000 of the 160,000 homes in the Christchurch, Selwyn and Waimakariri areas had sustained some damage, he added. “I was awe-struck by the power of the earthquake and the damage it has caused in the city,” he told reporters. “It was miraculous that nobody was killed.” Children play in a damaged road in Christchurch (6 September 2010) Schools will remain closed for the next two days to allow safety checks The cost of repairs has been estimated at NZ$2bn ($1.44bn; £930m). Most households and businesses were expected to claim from their insurers and the Earthquake Commission (EQC), officials said. Mr Key said the central government planned to provide at least 90% of the funds needed to rebuild the area’s water, sewerage and road networks, the overall damage to which had yet to be fully assessed. “The above-ground damage is obvious, but it could take some time to understand just how much damage there is to underground infrastructure.” The prime minister said the earthquake would have a short-term negative impact on economic growth, but that the loss “would be more than made up by the stimulus impact that takes place with the rebuilding programme”. Meanwhile, Christchurch mayor Bob Parker extended a state of emergency for another two days as troops were deployed throughout the city to help police secure streets and badly damaged businesses. A second nighttime curfew to protect against looting was lifted on Monday at 0700 (1900 GMT Sunday), while another is planned for Monday night. About 200 people whose homes were damaged spent the night in shelters. Power has been restored to 90% of the city, and the water supply has resumed for all up to 80%. Those with running water have been warned not to drink it because of contamination from broken sewage pipes. “You have to boil your water very carefully,” resident Oriana Toasland told the BBC. “You’re not allowed to flush the toilet because there are problems with the sewers. So we don’t know how long this is going to go on for as well.” Schools will remain closed for the next two days to allow safety checks. Some residents told the BBC that there had been delays in getting officials to assess the damage to their houses, and basic foodstuffs were in short supply. Mr Parker told the BBC that the magnitude of the destruction had only now dawned on the city’s 386,000 residents. “It’s now into the third day since the quake and that initial adrenalin has been replaced by a great deal of tiredness,” he said. “People’s spirits in some ways are starting to just sag a little more as the reality of what’s in front of all of us really comes back. What about the job? What about the business? What about the schools? When is this going to be fixed, when will life get back to normal?” he added. New Zealand lies at the southern end of the so-called Pacific Ring of Fire, and above an area of the Earth’s crust where the Pacific Plate converges with the Indo-Australian Plate. The country experiences more than 14,000 earthquakes a year, of which only about 20 have a magnitude in excess of 5.0. The last fatal earthquake was in 1968, when a 7.1-magnitude tremor killed three people on the South Island’s western coast. – Source Massive earthquake sets back NZ economic recovery 9/6/2010 by Rob Griffith contributions from Ray Lilley from Wellington, NZ CHRISTCHURCH — New Zealand’s prime minister warned Monday that the country’s economic recovery will be hurt by the weekend’s powerful 7.1-magnitude earthquake that smashed buildings and wrecked roads and rail lines in the city of Christchurch. The aftereffects of the temblor are still coming to light. Residents in a new subdivision in a southern suburb were evacuated Monday from their houses, which became mired in deep layers of silt that spewed from the soft ground as it turned to liquid under pressure from the quake. “We thought we were having a tsunami,” said homeowner Lalita Sharma. “We stepped outside into knee-high liquid. We thought the house would sink.” Mounds of sand covered front lawns and driveways, and some houses had been ripped from their foundations. A driveway that had sloped upward from the road was now flat, the rose garden buried in sand. Army troops have taken control of central Christchurch to help police secure streets and badly damaged businesses in the worst-hit center of the city. The area remained cordoned off and under nighttime curfew, with only building and business owners allowed access. “There will be considerable disruption to the (regional) and national economy in the short term,” but activity should pick up as reconstruction gains momentum, Prime Minister John Key said. The country’s economy has now recorded two quarters of minor growth after struggling to escape 18 months of recession. The quake struck at 4:35 a.m. Saturday near the South Island city of 400,000 people, ripping open a new fault line in the earth’s surface, destroying hundreds of buildings and cutting power to the region. No one was killed, and only two serious injuries were reported. Key, who toured the city’s damaged areas over the weekend, said 430 houses and another 70 buildings, many of them older structures, were already earmarked for demolition because of damage caused by the quake. Around 100,000 of the region’s 160,000 homes had sustained some damage, he said. “I was awe-struck by the power of the earthquake and the damage it has caused in the city,” he told reporters. “It was miraculous that nobody was killed.” A quake-damaged building partially collapsed into a suburban street Monday and officials took urgent steps to bulldoze and remove it. There were no injuries reported. “Police had a unit going past just as it happened and they managed to stop and block (off) the road,” Inspector John Price said. Key said the earthquake would have a short-term negative impact on economic growth, but that loss “would be more than made up by the stimulus impact that takes place with the rebuilding program.” The government plans to pay at least 90 percent of the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to rebuild the city’s water, waste water and road infrastructure, Key said. Economists agreed the immediate economic outlook for quake-ravaged Christchurch is bleak, but noted reconstruction would provide a boost to a struggling construction sector next year. “I think people are going to be pretty conservative over the next three months. What we are seeing is … negative growth in the near term,” ANZ Bank chief economist Cameron Bagrie said. More than 80 aftershocks, ranging from magnitude 3.2 to 5.4, have rocked the region since the major quake Saturday. Rain was falling Monday in the nearby Southern Alps and foothills, increasing the risk of flooding. Civil defense officials warned that stop banks, or flood protectors, weakened by the quake may fail to hold rising waters. Engineers were inspecting the banks Monday. Around 150 people have been evacuated from a trailer park near the Waimakariri River as a precaution. New Zealand sits above an area where two tectonic plates collide. The country records more than 14,000 earthquakes a year – but only about 150 are felt by residents. Fewer than 10 a year do any damage. New Zealand’s last major earthquake registered magnitude 7.8 and hit South Island’s Fiordland region on July 16, 2009, moving the southern tip of the country 12 inches (30 centimeters) closer to Australia. – Source

New Zealand earthquake: Christchurch hit by aftershocks
9/7/2010/11:57 P.M. BST
Christchurch was hit on Wednesday by the most damaging aftershock since a devastating 7.0 quake, forcing evacuations and cracking a major road tunnel in the New Zealand city. The 5.0-magnitude aftershock struck at 7:49 am sending residents rushing into the streets, cutting already fragile power supplies and bringing down loose material from already damaged buildings. The aftershock, the latest in a series, was a shallow six kilometres deep and much closer to the city centre than Saturday’s quake, which caused billions of dollars of damage, seismologists said. “It was a devastatingly, vicious sharp blow to the city,” Bob Parker, the mayor of Christchurch said. “This was a terrifying moment. We have just had to evacuate our civil defence headquarters.” A 1.9-kilometre (1.2-mile) tunnel linking Christchurch to the nearby port of Lyttleton was closed after cracking appeared, the New Zealand Transport Authority (NZTA) said. “There is some cracking that’s apparent on the surface and there’s apparently some damage to the canopy as well,” NZTA spokesman Andy Knackstedt told national radio. “We don’t know what the extent of that is. They’re in there right now making an assessment.” Mr Parker said the force of the latest convulsion meant there would “inevitably” be more damage to already weakened buildings, adding that the ongoing aftershocks were taking their toll on the city’s residents. “We have got staff in tears, we have got fire engines going through the middle of the city, power is out and a lot of people are very, very churned up by that.” More than 100 aftershocks have rocked the area since Saturday. Officials estimate up to 100,000 homes were damaged in Saturday’s quake, which caused damage estimated at NZ$2 billion (£930 million) but killed no one. – Source

NZ quake caused by unknown faultline
Scientists say that the largest earthquake to hit New Zealand in 80 years was “very unusual” and caused by a newly identified faultline.
by Julian Swallow 9/6/2010

[SOME!] NEW ZEALAND AUTHORITIES BELIEVE the 7.1 magnitude earthquake that struck the South Island city of Christchurch early Saturday was most likely caused by a previously unidentified faultline.

The quake – which was slightly larger than the devastating quake which struck Haiti in January killing over 200,000 people – caused the ground to lift by one to two metres in places, damaging buildings and infrastructure, but only hurting two people.

“In Haiti, the earthquake occurred closer to the populated area and there was a much larger number of people affected. But the most important thing is that New Zealand has a very good building code that they apply very strictly,” says Kevin McCue, director of the Australian Seismological Centre in Canberra. “I attribute [the small amount of damage] to their strong engineering.” – More here

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Atheists Fail at Logic

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The Corrupt Logic of Anti-Christian Atheists

Recently, while studying logic and trying to find references, I’ve noticed that Google has been giving biased search engine results by entirely showing logic fallacy lists that are only supportive of atheism as a whole. For example, lists its logic fallacy list within in atheist web page; how is it NOT a logic fallacy to associate atheism with being logical and theists illogical MERELY BECAUSE AN ATHEIST IS REPEATING LOGIC FALLACIES AND ONLY OR ALMOST ENTIRELY PREJUDICES THE EXAMPLES AGAINST THEISM, TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF THEISTS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO MAKE MISTAKES? Aren’t those acts indicating circular reasoning and ad hominem within the minds of those copying and pasting these lists? Isn’t that deliberately conniving, bitter, deception? IT’S CALLED “LYING”.

Here is another example, a blatant one, in which a former psychology professor at Shippensburg University, George Boeree, copy-pasted a fallacy list and contradicted one of the fallacies using hate speech against theists, which Shippensburg University has sanctioned by hosting:

“We must encourage our youth to worship God to instill moral behavior.”

But does religion and worship actually produce moral behavior? Of course not!

This hack philosopher, WITH NO DEGREE IN PHILOSOPHY LET ALONE LOGIC, who copied and pasted a fallacy list and made it anti-theistic, made a circular argument himself: he’s making a personal attack against religion (ad hominem) and is committing the fallacy of “appealing to obviousness” by his weasel word: “of course not!” and committing the fallacy of “appealing to emotion” by using an exclamation mark. He’s also indirectly committing the fallacy of “appealing to authority” by implying that his mere word as a former professor with a degree in psychology and whatever works he’s written (which are obscure, and not authoritative, so he’s being a vain hypocrite on top of all this). On top of that, this moron is obviously ignorant about religion BECAUSE his statement is grammatically nonsensical: worship is apart of religion, and he spoke as if they were two entirely different things. His error is analogous too this statement, “But does eating apples and apple pieces actually produce nutrients in the body?” On top of that he even showed with the biased example he thought up, that he understands religion and worship to be intertwined, because the example doesn’t say, “religion”! Talk about eating your own words! Some professor eh? As usual, the accusations of Satan’s children punch them right back in their deceiving mouths.

The oldest logical fallacy list on the Internet is hosted by Georgia State University, from 1992, notice it makes NO REFERENCE TO GOD, which shows that it was deliberately used for propaganda by atheists (I put the title in bold):


I’ve been bothered for a number of years, really for most of my adult life, by how poorly individuals will construct their arguments in everyday life and in academic debate. Along the way, I stumbled upon a collection of fallacies (see references) that I’ve found to be a convenient yard-stick by which to critique others’ arguments. They are offered here in a hypertext form that I originally wrote to be read by my PalmPilot personal digital assistant (PDA).. – Art

Fallacies of Relevance

Affirmation of the Consequent
Argumentum ad Antiquitam
Argumentum ad Baculum (appeal to force)
Argumentum ad Crumenam
Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive)
Argumentum ad Hominem (circumstantial)
Argumentum ad Ignoratiam (argument from ignorance)
Argumentum ad Lazarum
Argumentum ad Misericordiam (appeal to pity)
Argumentum ad Nauseum
Argumentum ad Novitam
Argumentum ad Numeram
Argumentum ad Populam
Argumentum ad Verecundiam (appeal to authority)
Complex Question
Converse Accident (hasty generalization)
Denial of the Antecedent
Dicto Simpliciter – Sweeping Generalization
Fallacy of Interrogation
False Analogy
False Cause
Hasty Generalization
Ignoratio Elenchi
Non Causa Pro Causa
Petitio Principii (begging the question)
Plurium Interrogationum – Many Questions
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
Quaternio Terminorum
Red Herring
Shifting the Burden of Proof
Special Pleading
Straw Man
Tu Quoque – Two Wrongs Make a Right

Fallacies of Ambiguity

Accentus – Accent

Fallacies of Correlation

Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

Affirmation of the Consequent.

Description: An argument from the truth of a hypothetical statement, and the truth of the consequent to the truth of the antecedent. In the syllogism below, P is the antecedent and Q is the consequent: P implies Q Q is true <– Affirming the consequent ______________ Therefore: P is true.

Argumentum ad Antiquitam.

Description: A fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply because it is old; that is, because "that's the way it's always been."

Argumentum ad Baculum (appeal to force).

The arguer appeals to force or the threat of force to compel acceptance of the conclusion.

Argumentum ad Crumenam.

Description: Fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of correctness; that those with more money are more likely to be right.

Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive).

"The phrase argumentum ad hominem translates literally as 'argument directed to the man.'" The abusive variety occurs when one attacks the other person rather than the other persons argument.

. Argumentum ad Hominem (circumstantial).

In this case, one tries to convince the opponent to agree to the conclusion based on the opponents circumstances. For example (from Copi), a hunter may claim an anti-hunter must say hunting is acceptable since the anti-hunter is not a vegetarian.

Argumentum ad Ignoratiam (argument from ignorance).

* "The fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam is illustrated by the argument that there must be ghosts because no one has ever been able to prove that there aren't any."
* The argument that something must be true simply because it hasn't been proved to be false, or vice versa.

Argumentum ad Lazarum

Description: A fallacy of assuming that because someone is poor he or she is sounder or more virtuous than one who is wealthier. This fallacy is the opposite of the informal fallacy "argumentum ad crumenam."

Argumentum ad Misericordiam (appeal to pity).

The arguer appeals to pity where the conclusion is a matter of reason and not one of sentiment, e.g. referring to a murder suspect's dependent family.

Argumentum ad Nauseum.

Description: The incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the more often it is heard. An "argumentum ad nauseum" is one that employs constant repitition in asserting a truth.

Argumentum ad Novitam.

Description: A fallacy of asserting that something is more correct simply because it is new or newer than something else. Or that something is better because it is newer. This type of fallacy is the opposite of the "argumentum ad antiquitam" fallacy.

Argumentum ad Numeram.

Description: A fallacy that asserts that the more people who support or believe a proposition then the more likely that that proposition is correct; it equates mass support with correctness.

Argumentum ad Populam.

"the attempt to win popular assent to a conclusion by arousing the emotions and enthusiasms of the multitude, rather than by appeal to the relevant facts."

Argumentum ad Verecundiam (appeal to authority).

This is especially the appeal to authority outside the field of that authority's expertise. In the field of the authority's expertise, "this method of argument is in many cases perfectly legitimate, for the reference to an admitted authority in the special field of that authority's competence may carry great weight and constitute relevant evidence. … Although it does not prove the point, it certainly tends to support it."


"The fallacy of accident consists in applying a general rule to a particular case whose 'accidental' circumstances render the rule inapplicable." For instance, while generally one should not exceed the speed limit, it is acceptable for emergency vehicles to do so.


Description: Also referred to as the "black and white" fallacy, bifurcation is the presentation of a situation or condition with only two alternatives, whereas in fact other alternatives exist or can exist.

Complex Question.

* This is a question of the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" variety.
* Arguing based on a response, or assumed response, to a complex or "loaded" question, where no simple yes or no response is reasonable — "have you stopped beating your wife?" "will you vote for the Republicans and prosperity?"

Converse Accident (hasty generalization).

Making a general rule based on a few atypical cases. For instance, considering the effect of alcohol only on those who indulge to excess, and concluding that liquor is harmful and should be outlawed.

Denial of the Antecedent.

Description: An argument in which one infers the falsity of the consequent from the truth of a hypothetical proposition, and the falsity of its antecedent. P implies Q Not-P ____________ Therefore: Not-Q.

Dicto Simpliciter – Sweeping Generalization.

Description: Sweeping Generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation in which the features of that particular situation render the rule inapplicable. A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a hasty generalization.

Fallacy of Interrogation.

Description: The question asked has a presupposition which the answerer may wish to deny, but which he/she would be accepting if he/she gave anything that would count as an answer. Any answer to the question "Why does such-and-such happen?" presupposes that such-and-such does indeed happen.

False Analogy.

* Description: An analogy is a partial similarity between the like features of two things or events on which a comparison can be made.
* A false analogy involves comparing two things that are NOT similar.
* Note that the two things may be similar in superficial ways, but not with respect to what is being argued.

False Cause.

* This is mistaking a event to be the cause of some other event.
* Arguing that one event causes another on the basis merely that it occurs earlier, or more generally mistaking what is not the cause of something as its cause. For instance, arguing that beating of drums causes the sun to reappear after after an eclipse by citing that every time drums have been so beaten the sun has reappeared.

Hasty Generalization

Description: An argument in which a proposition is used as a premise without attention given to some obvious condition that would affect the proposition's application. This fallacy is also known as the "hasty generalization." It is a fallacy that takes evidence from several, possibly unrepresentative, cases to a general rule; generalizing from few to many. Note the relation to statistics: Much of statistics concerns whether or not a sample is representative of a larger population. The larger the sample size, the better the representativeness. Note also that the opposite of a hasty generalization is a sweeping generalization.

Ignoratio Elenchi.

* Description: An argument that is supposed to prove one proposition but succeeds only in proving a different one. Ignoratio elenchi stands for "pure and simple irrelevance."
* An argument which supports one conclusion is made to prove a different conclusion.
* Copi's example is a legislator who, in discussing a housing bill, argues only that decent housing for all is desirable, rather than whether the bill in question would achieve that goal.

Non Causa Pro Causa.

Description: An argument to reject a proposition because of the falsity of some other proposition that seems to be a consequence of the first, but really is not.


Description: An argument in which the conclusion is not a necessary consequence of the premises. Another way of putting this is: A conclusion drawn from premises that provide no logical connection to it.

Petitio Principii (begging the question).

* The conclusion of an argument is contained in one of the premises assumed.
* Assuming the truth of one's proposal as a premise for the conclusion one is trying to prove.

Plurium Interrogationum – Many Questions.

Description: A demand for a simple answer to a complex question.

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.

Description: An argument from a premise of the form "A preceded B" to a conclusion of the form "A caused B." Simply because one event precedes another event in time does not mean that the first event is the cause of the second event. This argument resembles a fallacy known as a Hasty Generalization.

Quaternio Terminorum.

Description: An argument of the syllogistic form in which there occur four or more terms. In a standard categorical syllogism there are only three terms: a subject, a predicate, and a middle term.

Red Herring.

Description: A fallacy when irrelevant material is introduced to the issue being discussed, such that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points being made, and toward a different conclusion. It is not logically valid to divert a chain of reasoning with extraneous points.


Description: To reify something is to convert an abstract concept into a concrete thing. Reification is a Fallacy of Ambiguity. Reification is also sometimes known as a fallacy of "hypostatization".

Shifting the Burden of Proof.

Description: The burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of "argumentum ad ignorantium," is a fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.

Special Pleading.

Description: Special pleading is a logical fallacy wherein a double standard is employed by the person making the assertion. Special pleading typically happens when one insists upon less strict treatment for the argument he/she is making than he or she would make when evaluating someone else's arguments.

Straw Man.

Description: It is a fallacy to misrepresent someone else's position for the purposes of more easily attacking it, then to knock down that misrepresented position, and then to conclude that the original position has been demolished. It is a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that one has made.

Tu Quoque – Two Wrongs Make a Right.

Description: Two wrongs never add up to a right; you cannot right a wrong by applying yet another wrong. Such a fallacy is a misplaced appeal to consistency. It is a fallacy because it makes no attempt to deal with the subject under discussion.


Description: An argument in the course of which at least one term is used in different senses. Also known as equivocation. There are several types of "fallacies of ambiguity," including REIFICATION, EQUIVOCATION, AMPHIBOLY, COMPOSITION, DIVISION, and ACCENTUS.


* Using the same word in two different senses.
* A fallacy arising from the ambiguity or multiplicity of possible interpretations of a repeated word or phrase. "An elephant is an animal, therefore a small elephant is a small animal".


* Arguing from premises which are ambiguous due to their grammatical construction.
* An argument whose premises contain statements with grammatical constructions capable of being interpreted in more than one way. Classical example: "if Croesus went to war with Cyrus, he would destroy a mighty kingdom". Based on that advice Croesus went to war with Cyrus and in so doing destroyed a mighty kingdom: his own.


* Stressing a word in a sentence which thereby changes the meaning.
* An argument based on a change in meaning through emphasis or accent. "we should not speak ill of our friends", unaccented, may be valid, while by accenting the last word the implication is added that it may be acceptable to speak ill of others. Similarly, quoting or emphasizing something out of context ("the captain was sober today").


* Attributing to the whole the properties of the parts.
* Reasoning fallaciously from the attributes of the parts of a whole to the attributes of the whole itself: "all of the parts of this machine are light, therefore the machine itself is light". Or, to infer that what may be said of a term distributively may be said of the term collectively: "a bus uses more gasoline than a car, therefore buses use more gasoline than cars".


* Attributing to the parts the properties of the whole.
* The reverse of composition: reasoning from the attributes of a whole to the attributes of its parts, or inferring that what may be true of a term collectively is true distributively. "HP is a very important company; I am an HP employee; therefore I am very important"; "Dogs are frequently seen in the streets; Afghan hounds are dogs; therefore Afghan hounds are frequently seen in the streets".

Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc.

Description: A fallacy of correlation that links events because they occur simultaneously; one asserts that because two events occur together they are causally related, and leaves no room for other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events. This fallacy is similar to the "post hoc" fallacy.


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Update 2/14/2011:

At about 9 AM I decided to study logic a little more. And discovered more evidence of atheists hijacking the original logic fallacy list, from an apparent atheist named Zack Smith, who, I wonder, if coincidentally, is using a .tk domain to direct people to his propaganda website on logic, atheism and religion, which was last worked on in 2010, the year I wrote up this post. More suspicious is that he does not say when he last edited it. It’s suspicious to me because he’s using topics on my website and the redirect is close to the one I use, and hides credit, just like the other atheists who parrot the list. Translation: I wonder if he’s stolen credit from me too. Here is my reply to what I found on the part of his website on with those subjects:

Zack: if information-avoidance (concerning what is morally right from wrong) is a sin in your arbitrary illogical rulebook, (and it is in the Bible: the most popular and most influential spoken and gathered information in the world, which YOU AVOID), why then do you hide your email from your atheism propaganda pages, and not only that, not tell people something as important as to WHERE YOUR TRUNCATED FALLACY LIST ORIGINATED FROM, OR FACTS CONCERNING THE HELPFULNESS OF THE BIBLE FOR LIVING A PEACEFUL, LOGICAL AND PROGRESSIVE LIFE?

And lest you claim you did provide your email, I’ve saved your pages.

And religion isn’t “a mind virus”, it’s a method of worship; it’s a logical fallacy to over-generalize, a fallacy which you illogically and deliberately did not include in “your” arbitrary credit-robbing fallacy list. Further: do you know who the father of biology is, bitter Mr. Religion is Mind Virus? Don’t avoid that information Mr. I Love Truth. Hint: wain’t your father Deluded Darwin who spread is mental virus called Darwinian Evolution which is used as an excuse by every God-hater whether they call themselves Christian or not to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, covet, blaspheme, forget that God worked to give eternal life freely, and to dishonor their parents. You do recognize those list of wrongs don’t you atheist, Mr. All Religion Is Bad For Your Mind and There is No God? Yeah: none of those things, not even murdering babies or abusing children is wrong, WRONG.


As for strawmen, why don’t you point out that many Christians don’t claim that atheism is a religion, let alone a spreading one, BUT THAT HUMANISTIC ATHEISM IS? Yet you point out that strawman arguments are bad. And are weasel arguments fallicious in your mind either? If I point out the arguments made by atheists which only have bad grammar or who are very poor in school or who are mentally ill, would I be being a “weasel”? Would I be AVOIDING INFORMATION? Be ashamed you liar. Stop being a bitter, fault-finder and hypocrite and avoiding information and restoring to lies, hiding truth and misleading to make yourself feel better.

Here’s an excellent example of atheists biasing the logic fallacy list, using examples from Zack the infantile copy-paster:

Genetic Fallacy

Here, the source or origin of a claim is discredited or bolstered in order allege that the claim itself is false or true.
It comes from the bible and the bible is the word of Yahweh therefore it must be true.
That research was done in China therefore it must be full of errors and crap data.

Legitimacy From Effort.

This religion has taken millenia to get built up therefore you should believe in god.
It took years for Microsoft to produce Windows therefore we should use it.
It took years for the seagulls to cover the rocks completely with shit therefore it is pretty like a Jackson Pollack painting.
It took years for such-and-such minority to build up their own separatist subculture therefore members should not interact with outsiders and they deserve respect.

In the Genetic fallacy, Parrot Zack uses an incorrect example, and showing his hatred of those who are religious, blasphemes God’s name to make himself look wise (if you show deep hatred for someone let alone hatred at all while claiming to be teaching the truth, that makes what you say suspect as being false Zack; that’s obvious), which is that to say that if Yahweh said it is true that it must be. Parrot: Yahweh doesn’t lie as is shown by the historical accuracy of the Bible and eye witness testimony to the things it says exist and that still happen. If you’d like to attempt to cure yourself of your insanity of doubt try sleeping next to a knife in various houses haunted by violent demons. Keep in mind that you deserve to die if one of them attempts you; don’t blaspheme after being hurt by one being that it will be your own fault to sleep with demons. Notice also how Parrot Zack weasels in the example of China, a communist dictatorship. Zack, are you aware communist atheists with the silence or aid of humanistic atheists murdered or indirectly murdered 250 million people in the last 100 years, the most killed by any group and in that short a time, AND AFTER THE SUPPOSED AGE OF FREE-THINKING AND ENLIGHTENMENT BROUGHT ON BY ATHEISTS? That’s not evolution Mr. Pretentious Genetics, that’s thinning the genetics humans have to work with to continue to survive and be fit and to adapt. Humanistic Communism is evil Zack, stop denying that murder is wrong, let alone murder of those who disagree with the personal feelings of others. Murder exists Zack, just like Yahweh who forbids. Psychopathic parroting, truth-twisting and disgust won’t change that.

In Zack’s Legitimacy From Effort fallacy he put’s first as an example “This religion has taken millenia to get built up therefore you should believe in god.” How about also adding, “Pagan Roman, Catholic Roman, Muslims, and Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian and Baltic Communist atheists fought to suppress, oppress and murder millions of Christians and those who spoke out against their gods who were no gods, therefore you shouldn’t trust in Yahweh.”? How about these ones: “If it survives it must be fit.” or “If it survives it must be best.” Or “If it survives it must be right.” Or “If it survives it must be just.” Or, “If it took millions of years to evolve it must be best.” Do any of those lines of reasoning sound familiar, hypocrite? Strange you don’t use any of them as examples but rather some arrogant biased rants with a snotty fanboy tone.

Or how about including these examples somewhere: “A man looks like a monkey, therefore one of them must have come from the other.” Or, “A bird looks like a giant lizard, therefore one of them must have come from the other.” Or, “Because animals look alike they must have all biologically have come from a single thingy.” Or, “If there is a column of animals in the order of little to big big animals then big animals must have come from little animals.” Do you know what types of logical fallacies those fall under, Mr. Logical?

That’s your fallacious logic blind Zack who magnifies his error in his one eye that can see with a false lens.

It’s also a logical fallacy to think that because you point out right from wrong that you must therefore be wise in morality and moral, yet clearly you’re neither, but rather a parasitic parrot.


That’s the end of my reply. I’m trying to finish with a book on logic and arguments against religion which I mostly finished last year, but I wanted to add another argument I remembered about three days ago, refuting in my original version of the book in 2005 or 2006, which was on a justification for homosexuality, and then yesterday I think, remembered another, on God supposedly wrongly treating us like children, which I also refuted. Ironically one of the logical fallacies Zack listed in his list, one which I didn’t remember having read and thinking about is the basis points out the error of this justification for homosexuality (but doesn’t explain why it’s wrong, no surprise being that Zack is merely parroting without little to no understanding or critical after-thought on what he’s talking about). I wasn’t going to mention that I’d never read it because I think I already did in my book, but after commenting about the homosexuality argument and seeing it tied into it; it was too strange to not mention. Divine coincidence I call it. The logic fallacy Zack listed which I’m talking about, I personally call it the The Superiority or Inferiority/Moral Characteristics/Relation by Origin Fallacy, at the moment. If it’s in my book already I don’t remember whatever term I have for it in there. I’ll try to update this post later to point out if I already mentioned it in my unpublished book, for history.

“How do ye say, ‘We are wise, and the law of Yahweh is with us? Lo: certainly in vain made he made it’: rather it is the pen of the scribes that lies.” – Jeremiah 8:8

It’s Official: Atheists are Deliberately Ignorant, Truth-hating, Credit-theiving, Hypocrites – Extreme atheist fails

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Think atheists can be good? Wonder why atheists are the most hated and mistrusted group? Here’s a little of the endless evidence as to why atheists should be locked up in insane asylums:

Today on a certain stupidity-filled website (it’s for atheists only, so big surprise) I found these two ultra stupid comments:

“why not think Harry Potter is real, there are millions who think god is real and thats just rediculous” from “Atheist Princess”.

For you very young people who don’t know why that is super stupid, this is why:

1) She’s comparing what no one believes is real to what many believe is real, and not explaining what the connection is.

2) She doesn’t say which of her statements is ridiculous: which is ridiculous: not believing that Harry Potter is real or that God is real or both?

3) She didn’t give any evidence as to why whatever she is saying is ridiculous is ridiculous.

4) She didn’t even spell ridiculous right.

On her profile she said this:

Notice she says that she is obsessed with the “fairy tale” Harry Potter, and even made a forum on it? Notice she gives no evidence as to why she became an atheist, and had believes that no Christian teaches, which is that you weren’t to ask any questions about the Bible, when in churches that is done all the time, and when Christians pose them all the time everywhere? Notice she gives no explanation at all as to why she became an atheist, except because certain things didn’t make sense to her, and yet can’t be bothered to say what those things were even though she also says she is trying to convert her sisters to atheism (which having such a hatred for religion, says, “deconvert” in place of convert). She also not many minutes ago posted a video link to a narcissist named Laci Green, who resorted to using a severe sexual insult against Christ and stereotype of Christians, based on her experience on one encounter with a Christian who gave her some short simple preaching in a single encounter, and yet Laci merely said for the video description (and notice the type of facial expression she gave at the end):

My opinion based on science, reason, logic, rationale, and the undiscriminating pursuit of truth. What’s yours based on? ;)

The good things are done by god, and the bad things just….happen. LOL…cute. :|

And what does her last sentence have to do with truth, reality and the previous sentence? Is that logical? No, it shows she is shallow and truth-hating: she chose to joke about some stupid thing she heard, rather than give any evidence to justify her attacks on theists, Christians, or Christ.

Atheist Princess, like Laci, merely posted insults as the description for this video, but more direct and severe. She said:

LMAO@ the jesus freaks! Grow up. Don’t you know? Fairytales are for children! Please get a fundamental grasp on science, philosophy, metaphysics, and log[ic]

Notice that she didn’t say, “believe in fairy tales is for children” but rather that they just are. Why then does she obsess on Harry Potter as she admits, even making a thread dedicated to it and commanding others to participate in it? Why doesn’t she acknowledge that making mere insults and ranting with hatred is childish and not “grown up”? Why does she think saying “LMAO” is mature, or that being sexually offensive to theists or Christians is mature, or that getting getting drunk and being stupid and insulting every theist who has existed, insulting the ones whose inventions and music she enjoys to no end and obsesses on and giving them no acknowledgment, no credit, and instead tearing down civilization, why does she think that that is mature, truthful, and logical?

She also thinks that it’s appropriate to claim to “own” Christians, as in slavery. Yet aren’t atheists the ones who attack Christians for promoting slavery? Which is it atheists: is slavery good or bad? You boast about owning Christians, therefore you say it is good, and therefore God will make slaves out of you. By your words you will be judged. She also promoted a thread that claimed Spinoza was among the greatest dead philosophers. Does she know that Spinoza was a theist? Does she know that atheists have lied about what Spinoza thought about God, in order to make Einstein (who was influenced by Spinoza) to look like an atheist? Maybe if she wasn’t so busy getting drunk and being stupid, like so many atheists do and say the love to do.

Further, where is the evidence on her twitter wall, that she is someone who is logical and seeks truth?:

# i would totally get into that 3:10 PM Sep 3rd via Atheist Nexus App

# I LOVE YOU!!! 10:38 PM Aug 26th via Atheist Nexus App

# I HAVE BEEN ELMIFIED @elmify 11:36 AM Aug 18th via web

# Labels… who needs them! Tear them off, Throw them away, Who cares what size the shirt is! lol 9:06 PM Aug 9th via Atheist Nexus App

# there are no words… 11:33 AM Jul 29th via Atheist Nexus App

# just 4 giggles! 8:53 AM Jul 22nd via Atheist Nexus App

# my name is inigo montoya you killed my father prepare to die! 4:22 AM Jul 22nd via web

# Reza1991 #happybirthday daniel radcliffe 3:51 AM Jul 22nd via mobile web Retweeted by AtheistPrincess and 1 other

# you can kiss the lower part of the back of the canister that is my body 4:12 AM Jul 22nd via web

# *insert witty atheist quote here* 10:06 PM Jul 14th via Atheist Nexus App

# because im a follower #HugoChavezSucks 12:00 AM Jul 14th via web

# seekertruthnet #showsweneedback — Legend of the Seeker // 10:16 AM Jun 24th via web Retweeted by AtheistPrincess and 100+ others

# go to google type in “lol limewire” and click the “im feeling lucky” button…… Your welcome! 10:51 PM Jun 24th via Atheist Nexus App

# molly ringwald so should have picked duckie!!! 11:58 AM Jun 23rd via Atheist Nexus App

# loves wearing shorts in 20 degree weather!!! 10:31 PM Mar 9th via a Ning Network

# Bingle bongle dingle dangle yickety doo yickety dah ping pong lippy toppy too tah! 2:31 AM Mar 6th via a Ning Network

# this makes me want to go to Amarillo, TX and start punching mofo’s in the face! 11:02 PM Mar 4th via a Ning Network

# I am, apparently, the best employee with the best work ethic you’ll ever lay off. (i think i have a thing with sleeping with co-workers) 12:13 PM Mar 2nd via a Ning Network

# Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. 9:21 PM Mar 1st via a Ning Network

# I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it 9:19 PM Mar 1st via a Ning Network

What does any of that have to do with a love for truth and logic, let alone seeking either out? All that shows is a scatterbrained person who is obsessed with themselves, with pleasure and beauty and a hatred for logic and truth and reality in general. It shows she is immature and shallow and has poor self-control.

Then, I found this in the forum:

What do you believe in?

Posted by Travis Brummett on March 24, 2010 at 10:25pm in Atheism

What stuff do you believe in even though you dont have evidence and are atheist? I believe in aliens and some sort of afterlife. I also believe theres a 4th density that has different laws of physics. The 4th density im talking about is not about time. I believe theres alot of stuff the universe can do that would seem supernatural. I believe in magic and supernatural like powers that humans arent capable of.”

So this atheist doesn’t even know what the right word is for “dimension” and replaces it with “density” and doesn’t realize that most people who have an education in physics believe that a 4th dimension exists: time, or that most people have no problem with it being called a dimension, and therefore acts like he’s believing in something out of the ordinary worth mentioning. On top of that, rather than believing in logic, he trusts in magic, magic being something that happens for no logical reason like in Dungeons and Dragons (or something caused by demons).

Now these are not comments I “cherry-picked” out of many, these were two comments I came across after reading a very few other things on that site, maybe three other pieces of information besides the logo on that site, a little of Atheist Princess’ profile description and two links she posted, one to a video called “I love you” (which was a vain rant from a white guy acting cute for attention and making it seem like it was something profound for him to say, “I love you”, like he was even close to being as loving as God or Christl) and another link to something so stupid I can’t remember what it was.

And these are not unusual experiences for me when I read what atheists say or talk to them: everything almost that comes out of their mouth on religion, is INSANE. Even the wisest atheists I learn about, make severely illogical claims concerning religion and morality, and do very immoral things (stalking for example). Another example of what would appear to be a wise atheist (but turned out to be as mentally ill or as severely illogical as the rest of them), is Kramer, who claimed to have a degree in psychology, and didn’t bother saying where, so as far as anyone knows it’s a cracker jack degree, claimed that theists make the “argument from authority” error, and from the context he said that in, meant that their only evidence is “God did it” or “my god did it”, which only an ignoramus, or truth-hater would say (which includes forgetful people), being that there are millions of theists who refer to evidence for their theism, one which torments millions of atheists: intelligent design evidence. So if he truly had a good education and who was knowledgeable in religion from his life experience (and he looked about 49 from his picture), he had at least no excuse for ignoring ID theory or Christian creationism evidence. In fact: I found him in the same forum I posted comments from above, commenting in a thread on Ray Mcgovern: a Christian who expertly points out the many evidences for a created universe. That makes Kramer, a deceiver.

In addition to that, I’ve noticed that atheists, without giving any credit to the originator, have been copying and pasting logic fallacy lists, and have twisted them to make make Christianity to appear illogical, and not only commit logical fallacies by being deceptive in that way, but even committing the same logical fallacies they claim are fallacies! Take for example this hate speech against theists sanctioned by Shippensburg University, posted by their former professor George Boeree:

“We must encourage our youth to worship God to instill moral behavior.”

But does religion and worship actually produce moral behavior? Of course not!

This hack philosopher, WITH NO DEGREE IN PHILOSOPHY LET ALONE LOGIC, who copied and pasted a fallacy list and made it anti-theistic, made a circular argument himself: he’s making a personal attack against religion (ad hominem) and is committing the fallacy of “appealing to obviousness” by his weasel word: “of course not!” and committing the fallacy of “appealing to emotion” by using an exclamation mark. He’s also indirectly committing the fallacy of “appealing to authority” by implying that his mere word as a former professor with a degree in psychology and whatever works he’s written (which are obscure, and not authoritative, so he’s being a vain hypocrite on top of all this).

Why in the world, would I convert to atheism, when they are extreme hypocrites, destructive (constantly brutally killing babies, and have killed over 150,000,000 people in the last 100 years, not even counting abortions), who stereotype Christians and tell whatever lie they think of so they don’t look as bad, and so that no one imprisons or executes them as dangers to life, and when it’s pointed out that they are severely corrupt, merely repeat their stereotype in various ways: “Well Christians are hypocrites too.”

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More Proof For the Genesis Record: Mass Cannibalism

In a typical evolutionist propaganda police, and this time with graphic nudity and gore, which is why I won’t link to the article in which I found this post, it’s been discovered that certain pre-flood men had engaged in mass murder and were cannibalizing each other. One of the reasons implied by Genesis for God flooding the world was because it had become murderous, and with this new evidence found now it becomes clear that it had become extremely corrupt:

Bones from the cave, called Gran Dolina, show signs of cuts and other marks which will have been made by early stone tools.

Among the bones of bison, deer, wild sheep and other animals, scientists discovered the butchered remains of at least 11 human children and adolescents.

The bones also displayed signs of having been smashed to get the nutritious marrow inside and there was evidence that the victims’ brains may also have been eaten.

Striek marks on the bone at the base of the skull also indicated that the humans had been decapitated according to the study’s co-author José Maria Bermúdez de Castro.

Bermudez de Castro, of the National Research Center on Human Evolution in Burgos, Spain, told National Geographic: ‘Probably then they cut the skull for extracting the brain. The brain is good for food.’ – from the lying Darwinism propagandist Niall Firth

The tribulation, apostasy and why the elitist globalists are winning

People like Michael Savage, Alex Jones, Bill Cunningham and Ron Paul, though doing some good by exposing the obvious evils of liberals, will be defeated. The reason is because they leave out a reasonable Christ in their preaching, or give a warped version of him, a Christ that is for harming or killing anyone who endangers your life or those of your children, a Christ that cares more about you having fun in life, than you being fully logical and fitting all your plans to be compatible with his Master Plan (his laws I mean: don’t lie, don’t steal, don’t murder, honor your father and your mother, love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemies, and so on). The message of these radio show hosts is appealing to and motivates Arminian, Universalist and covenant-keeper type Christians (fundamentalist false Christians, with some exceptions like the Quakers, J. Witnesses and Amish), who are pro “self-defense” and killing their enemies before their enemies decide to kill them. But then you may wonder, “If they behave that way how would they lose to the globalists or lose to liberal globalists, which are wimps?” They’ve been losing because the majority of them have been deceived into focusing their hatred on Arabs and Jews and because the NWO elitists in power are draining them of money, health, and overwhelming them with materialism, sensuality and pornography, and the greedy panderers who lead these false Christians, allow the same in their church, and even defend it. For example, you can find in many or most large Assemblies of God churches, the acceptance of skimpy dressing, very tight-fitting clothes and unmarried teens acting sensual with each other, and displaying it on Myspace and Facebook in Assemblies of God groups. It’s the same in other denominations.

These pleasure-addicted Christians, who are drained not only by the state and federal government, but by their oppressive lying “Christian” leaders who successfully pressure them into tithing for more money back, somehow, sometime, so long as you have enough faith they claim, will be desperate to keep their comfy lifestyle, or to keep making progress towards getting one, or to maintain what poor lifestyle they’ve managed to obtain (thanks to God), especially to care for any children and pets they own. And if the elitists offer them a job in a “civilian” army (lead by an anti-Christian leader) yet which has decent to near decent wages, would they take them, or would they allow themselves to become “useless eaters” living off poor food and drink from the government, or just wither and die, and with any children and pets they have? Most people in the U.S.A., let alone fundamentalist Christians and false Christian ones, don’t have their own farms, and what gardens they have are not large enough to sustain themselves on without working for money or food and drink, so they would certainly join such an army, or some local anti-Christian police force.

And right after I had thought of how fundamentalist false Christians would join an anti-Christian civilian army, I remembered this phrase in bold in this passage from the Bible:

“On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. All men will hate you because of me” – Matthew 10:18-22

When I read that verse, I would also think of false Christians betraying true Christians, but then after my thought about their joining an anti-Christian civilian army, I remembered that false Christians are not all friends with each other, and while writing that sentence, remembered that they are also divided into many different denominations out of hatred for certain teachings, or hatred for other certain false Christians (though there are also innocent reasons, like because one church is more convenient to get to than another, or more beautiful or has better singers, and so on).

Some might think that such an army would be absurd if their motive is to go around persecuting Christians, however, it wouldn’t be if America’s economy was collapsing (and whether it’s being collapsed on purpose by socialists or just malicious people is off topic): how would such an army or police forces be maintained if the currency they were being given was of low value or worthless and being made more worthless by printing more money should that happen? They would have to resort to plunder, and would an immoral army with low funding spend itself on battling criminal gangs or robbing crazed criminals who are likely to be disease carriers, and soiling themselves in ghettos, or raping, enslaving and plundering those who would be easy to do such things to? By doing that they could slow down any need to print more money by stealing it from what anti-Christian leaders will say are “evil unjust, deluded, crazed Christians who put America in it’s horrible situation in the first place” or “fundie Christians”. And surely even liberal Christians will be targeted in their bitterness, jealousy, greed and/or desperation.

Just Have Faith: Stephen Hawking says, “Gravity did it.”

Stephen Hawking has recently declared that God wasn’t needed to make the universe, because, he says,

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing,”

I think that logic should be a required course in Junior High, and High school, and every college, and that if you’ve already taken it, that you should be retested before being allowed into High school and college. No doubt Hawking has come up with some scheme in which gravity, along with other laws, magically decided (just like DNA supposedly decides to be greedy according to Ricky Dawkins) to just assemble the universe, simple is that. He might as well say, “Laws wrote themselves” or “information made itself.” He even said, “Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” And whatever he says is true because he spontaneously said so! Who made Hawking and the co author of his book, God? And clearly Hawking is suffering from narcissism disorder as he believes the force of his statements makes him right, as he goes on to make this superfluous useless statement: “It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.” So, making statements apart from evidence is “science” according to morons Hawking and Dawking.

Hawking also said recently, “The fact that we human beings – who are ourselves mere collections of fundamental particles of nature”, um, no: humans are not mere collections of matter. We’re not just robots or magically sentient beings with built in error correcting codes and brains more many times powerful than the most powerful modern supercomputers. Rape and child abuse are not “just concepts humans made up and is only wrong to whoever decides it is”. The rest of his sentence was, “– have been able to come this close to an understanding of the laws governing us and our universe is a great triumph.” And it’s just a coincidence too! Here’s his evidence that coincidences lead to life on Earth, and it’s such awesome proof!: in 1992 an astronomer found of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun, therefore, “That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions – the single sun, the lucky combination of Earth-sun distance and solar mass – far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings”. In other words, without his deceptive weasel babble: “we found a planet around a sun other than our own, therefore all the precise conditions in the universe including in our solar system and in Earth’s atmosphere, magnetosphere, all the chemicals on and under earth, and all the chemicals and structures needed for the simplest to the most complex living thing on Earth, are also just chance. Again: cuz we found a planet around a star…


Could Stephen also be retarded? Using his moronic logic: if you find one ultra complex robot full of life-preserving and life-creating programming and technology, it isn’t proof of intelligent life, and if you find another one, it’s LESS proof of intelligent life: CAN YOU GET ANYMORE BACKWARDS? Again: If you find another Earth with humans on it, or some other planet with sentient beings on it, IT’S LESS PROOF THAT THERE IS DESIGN. Or: If you find one planet, that’s not proof if a designer, but if you find two: it’s LESS proof according to Hawking and God-hating morons like him. That is the kind of insanity that strikes people who hate God and greatly reject him. Why? BECAUSE GOD IS THE SOURCE OF TRUTH! The farther you get from Truth, the more backwards you become. The more you hate God, the more dishonest the more immoral you become; the more morally backwards and mentally you become. In a way, you become the opposite of God when you hate him: you become a living lie.

To learn more about logic fallacies that deluded “mainstream” “scientists” like Hawking and Dawking put out, go to, where you can read some of the narcissist Dawkins’ ranting.

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Arminian and Universalist Christians Refuted׃ The Limited Love Arminians

I was studying Arminianism again, and found two websites which, big surprise, made claims without evidence.

The first one:

“As informed by St. Augustine, this view espouses the notion that God, out of love, has sovereignly chosen to save a few (the elect) and has, in like manner, not chosen (not elected) the many. We have trouble with this, since it limits God’s love.”

My reply:

1) And whatever you a mere man or others have trouble with means God is wrong? How are people blind to such arrogant, childish, criminal reasoning? “Mom, dad you’re not doing what I want, this troubles me, therefore… ur bad.” I don’t think so.

2) It’s Arminians and Universalists who limit the greatness of God’s love to their personal feelings of what great love is:

How is God’s love “limited”? Do you mean, “it’s not great” or literally it must apply to everything? If you mean it’s not great, aren’t you blaspheming? For if God’s Son had only sacrificed his son for one person, who in the Hell are criminals to say “that’s not great,” you’ve love is limited, let alone, “you trouble me God”? Who are you to condemn God for his will for not fulfilling your desires? But does the Bible say Jesus only died for one? No, it implies millions, and yet you cheapen every one of those he suffered and died for, as if it were some easy thing that you could do. Talk about disgusting arrogance! On top of that, does he say that he will only love those he died for? NO! IT TEACHES HE WILL KEEP THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL, AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF EVER MULTIPLYING CHILDREN! SO YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS SAYING “LIMITED”!

3) Were you are so simpleminded, so childish in logic, that you literally meant that God should love everything? Do I even need to point out how such a claim contradicts itself? Focus: “everything”? “Every, single, thing”? If you can’t figure out why that is an evil thing to say, you need to pray for wisdom with humility, not false humility, without bias.

4) God has trouble with your blaspheming.

Then I came to another website and read some screed (yes I picked up that word off that bitter atheist I mentioned some posts ago, but it fits so well for what I read, part of which I quote here):

“It is not our intention to go into a detailed complicated theological analysis of each point in each belief system, but only to highlight and summarise the core differences between them.”

But then the fools near the end of their screed say,

“The God of Calvinism sacrificed his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for his Elect only, and he predestined only his Elect to be saved. This must also mean that he predestined, knowingly and willingly, to cast the vast majority of humanity (the non-Elect) into hell to be tortured forever. This makes the God of Calvinism an evil god, infinitely and unimaginably more evil than Hitler could ever be.”

My reply:

1) Let me guess why you Royal “It is not our intent” Jeeve’s Bring Me More Wine Snobs didn’t get into analyzing each point, not even with a single sentence… because you’re confused, blind, ignorant morons who know Calvinist doctrine refutes whatever argument you can come up with; because you know many verses in Scripture contradict your bitter lies. What verses teaches God goes along with man’s will over his own, anywhere? But plenty can be shown that it’s just the opposite, and I’m not repeating for your lazy selves since they are easily found.

2) Where’s the evidence that God is evil to predestine? NONE. Therefore you’re blaspheming, and of all things to blaspheme over: God’s character and will; could you be anymore evil than that? Talk about “hypocrisy” and “blasphemers”.

3) Doesn’t the Bible say that we should suffer for doing evil if it is God’s will? How is that not a big enough hint that God is right now matter what he does?

4) How Arminians and Universalists, do you reason, God is evil if he predestines people to Hell because, WELL JUST CUZ! CUZ IT’S “MEAN”, but not for making even a single being he knew would sin and end up in pain? Contradict yourselves much? Ignore verses that refute you much?

5) “Mean” and “evil” and “cruel” to who? Who gave you narcissists and you arrogant babblers the right to speak for millions of ever multiplying Calvinists? Did we say God is cruel or evil? So what business do you have declaring for all, speaking for all of us you claim are evil on top of it, as to what we think of God, how we feel about him, you arrogant snobs? Talk about “arrogant” and “vain”! GOD, IS, GOOD, GOD, IS, LOVE. Stop calling him evil and a cosmic rapist.

6) Why did you leave out that Jesus of his own free will and out of love, volunteered to be sacrificed Mr’s and Ms’ We Have Free Will and Unlimited Love But God’s Is Limited? Did you forget that extremely unfathomably great act of love? You didn’t think it was worth mentioning? What a strange thing to not mention in your summary of the different types of Christians for people who without their mouths put love and freedom on a pedestal above God.

7) If God predestines “the elect” to be saved, is he evil for going against their will to be saved? According to your demonic logic he is.

8) If God doesn’t go against anyone’s will, you must not believe “predestine” when you read it. You’re truly deluded.

9) Where does God mention “second fruits”? If the elect are both the first and the second (in contrast to Christ being a kind of firstfruit according to God), then where is this “second/third” you imply exists? Where’s your verses to show for it? None: you just babble in vain pretending you’re right.

10) ” to cast the vast majority of humanity”: LIE. Did you notice any verses in Scripture that say that the elect will have kids to no end?

11) ” to cast the vast majority of humanity” as opposed to what, ONE PERSON? So if God sends one person or a small amount of people to Hell, theeeeeen it’s okay if he predestines to torture forever? And why bother saying “elect” when you’re problem is with sending most people to Hell, and not “electing”? Or is “electing” an evil bug to you too?

Your, “Our will is ours! You can’t touch it God!” belief and teaching = life-destroying pride. You false Christians pretend to love God, and their arguments are pretentious, hypocritical, confusion that makes God the author of confusion and lies.

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