Russian Protesters Defy Putin’s Warning On Illegal Protest Gatherings

The Russian protesters who won’t give up
The 31ers are making their protest global after being fenced out of a Moscow square
8/30/2010/20:00 BST

For the Kremlin it has become something of an embarrassment. On the 31st of the month, a group of noisy protesters gather in downtown Moscow’s Triumfalnaya Square. They shout slogans against Vladimir Putin and his regime. The 31ers, as they are known, are seeking to defend Russia’s much-abused constitution and in particular article 31 – meant to guarantee freedom of assembly.

Over this year Moscow’s city government has devised various tactics to stop these rallies from taking place, ranging from the brutal to the surreal – the campaign is beginning to look like a convoluted game of chess for control of the square. The authorities have turned down all applications to stage the “Strategy-31” gatherings. And in time-honoured Russian fashion, mayor Yuri Luzhkov has sent in the goons, with riot police deployed on every occasion to arrest protesters and chuck them in the back of police vans. In May police broke a journalist’s arm; in July officials came up with a rival event in the square – a car rally.

Ahead of the latest 31 gathering, these tactics have reached a new level of ridiculousness. The government last week announced it was building an underground car park underneath the square and fenced off the whole area. On Friday, two workmen could be seen slowly digging a small hole next to a statue of Russian futurist poet Vladimir Mayakovsky. It is clear that nobody is in any hurry to get the work completed, which could now drag on for years.

In retaliation, the 31ers have decided to take their protest global – with the first demonstration taking place today outside the Russian Embassy in Kensington Palace Gardens, London and in New York, Helsinki, Berlin and Tel Aviv. “We Russians living abroad cannot stand by quietly and watch as Russia gradually turns into a police state,” Andrey Sidelnikov, organiser of the London picket, says. He adds: “In recent years, in Russia the government has consistently refused to citizens of Russia their legitimate right to assemble freely.”

In the eight months since the rallies started, protesters have included elderly dissidents who fought against the Soviet Union and teenagers who were born in the 1990s, well after the collapse of communism. The protests rarely attract more than a few hundred people – although the rally in May drew a crowd of 2,000, which was violently broken up by police.

At some point, one hopes, Russia’s authoritarian-minded leadership will have to come up with a creative response to Russia’s vigorous social protest movement. A fence simply doesn’t cut it. – Source

Stray Bullets – 31ers Plan Global Protests, Nokia Sued And Sudan’s Child Soldiers
Strategy 31 protests

Russian Protests Set To Go Global:
8/31/2010
by Richard Lemmer

A Russian protest group, known informally as the 31ers, are planning to stage global protests against the Russian government’s breaching of the national constitution. Started on July 31 2009, Strategy 31 is a civic movement which holds public protest meetings in Triumfalnaya Square, Moscow, on the 31st day of every month that has 31 days. This is a symbolic reference to article 31 of the Russian Constitution, which asserts the right to peaceful assembly.

January of this year saw more than 150 protesters arrested, including 82-year-old renowned human rights activist Lyudmila Alexeyeva. In July 2010, city officials helped organise a bike festival from 30 July to 1 August, in Triumfalnaya Square; in what many see as a deliberate move to foil the protests. Now, the government has announced the square is out of bounds to the protest group because an underground car park is being built beneath the square, which has been partially fenced off.

In retaliation, the 31ers are planning demonstrations to take place outside the Russian Embassy in Kensington Palace Gardens, London, and in New York, Helsinki, Berlin and Tel Aviv. Viktor Korb, secretary of the Omsk Civic Coalition, told Open Democracy:

Observe the Constitution, the message from our Soviet past, has now become relevant. The possibilities afforded by this disaffection with life in a false imitation of democracy are potentially massive. Unfortunately, our civil society is still fragmented, but Stratergy-31 offers the possibility of uniting on the basis of a common idea.

Source

Video of 31ers protest in Russia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BK8eImDEJE

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Russia’s “day of wrath”
Thousands protest across Russia in largest show of discontent since
Vladimir Putin came to power more than a decade ago.

by Miriam Elder – GlobalPost
3/20/2010/15:23 ET in Europe

Opposition supporters shout slogans during a protest rally in St. Petersburg, March 20, 2010. Thousands of Russians rallied against Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s government in a string of protests fueled by sharp falls in living standards since the economic crisis hit. (Alexander Demianchuk/Reuters) Click to enlarge photo

KALININGRAD, Russia — They gathered under rainy gray skies — men and women, young and old — demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, a man long seen as untouchable in Russia’s tightly controlled political scene.

Cries of “Freedom!” and “Putin resign!” filled Kaliningrad’s dilapidated main square, as up to 5,000 people gathered to take part in a nationwide “Day of Wrath.” From Vladivostok in the far east to this, Russia’s westernmost region, dozens of protests were held today in the largest show of discontent since Putin came to power more than a decade ago.

What began as distinct protests against specific economic policies — a rise in utilities prices, an increased tax on imported cars, environmental concerns — have now been united by a growing concensus on who is to blame, said Vladimir Milov, a former energy minister under Putin and current co-leader of Solidarity, an umbrella opposition movement.

“People are clearly moving from specific economic and social demands to general political demands, from the resignation of local governors to the resignation of Putin’s government,” he said, sitting in a Kaliningrad cafe after flying in from Moscow to observe the day’s events.

“There’s a recognition that political factors, and the government, are to blame,” he said.

As yet, it’s unclear how true that is. Putin’s popularity rating remains high and many of today’s protests garnered just 150 to 500 participants. In Irkutsk, where locals voted in a Communist mayor in local elections last week, dealing a heavy blow to the ruling United Russia party, just 500 people turned out (versus the 2,000 who attended a pre-election protest earlier this month).

In Kaliningrad, the population is certainly calling for political change. Today, protesters wore pins disparaging United Russia and called for the ouster of the Moscow-appointed governor, Georgy Boos. The smell of tangerines filled the air as they held aloft the fruit that has become the symbol of the unpopular leader. “It’s because he used to be fat,” said one protester (failing to mention that his face carries the distinct orange glow of a badly done fake tan).

Kaliningrad has held the largest anti-Putin protest to date, with 12,000 taking to the streets on Jan. 30.

Yet ask anyone here, and they will tell you Kaliningrad is different. Nestled between European Union members Poland and Lithuania, and separated from the Russian mainland, it is unlikely to be the launching pad for a wave of large-scale protests — all the more so since television in Russia remains largely state-controlled, and coverage of events here has been nonexistent.

“Our population is different from Russia,” said Konstantin Polyakov, a regional Duma deputy from United Russia. (Nevermind that Kaliningrad is, actually, Russia.) – 2 page here.

Fox News-Supporting-Arminians, Caught Supporting Terrorist Muslims, Again

Post link: http://blindfoxes.tk

It’s amazing to true Christians (Calvinists) how these false Christians (Arminians) are repeatedly exposed as massive hypocrites. The conspiracy of a terrorist having partial control of Fox News has become big news, and liberals are jumping on it (including the Arminians among them) and even has the Christian-hating radio show host Jim Villanuci finally admitting that his previous view that “rich people” can be greedy (noooo: really Agnostic Jim?) and hateful (no way! People with an extremely large amount of money and holding onto it and making more: HATEFUL? NO WAY!). Jim (and Jon Stewart) and no doubt others are amazing over the irony of a terror funder who owns 7% of Fox News (2.3 billion U.S. Dollars worth of stock in Fox News), being made known as a bad guy on Fox News while making money over the bad publicity, and having yet more money to put into the Muslim venture to place a Muslim Community Center two blocks away from Ground Zero. Though Fox News is outing him as a bad guy, they aren’t admitting that he owns a large part of Fox News itself. There is even a photo of Rupert Murdoch, who is in charge of Fox News, shaking hands with funder of terrorist Muslims and their jihads. Though there is laughter, an even greater twist, but nothing new or surprising, and which I hinted at a little, is the majority of Christians are Arminians, and the the conservative ones fund Fox News and the liberal ones fund liberal news providers like Jon Stewert and CNN and so on. So you have two groups of Arminians, one trying to vilify the other, both thinking they are the true church, that they are the only ones going to Heaven, both outing each others’ hypocrisy, and not realizing they are really both a single group of hypocrites who are both funding evil, repeatedly forgetting the root of their problem, which is that they hate God despite their pretending to love God. But anyways, here is the “gnat” they are straining at while swallowing a camel:

The Fox News connection to Ground Zero mosque
Hundreds of thousands for project’s imam come from high-profile network investor
by Worldnet Daily
9/23/2010/9:11 PM Eastern Time

The Saudi prince whose post-9/11 relief check was rejected by former New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani has found a more willing recipient in the city for his millions: the head of the Ground Zero mosque project.

The same Saudi potentate, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, owns the biggest chunk of the parent company of the Fox News Channel outside of the Murdoch family.

Former Bush advisers have similar ties to the prince and the proposed mega-mosque in Manhattan, which may explain why they’ve asked Republicans to soften their opposition to it.

WND has learned that one of the original board members of the nonprofit group promoting the 13-story mosque and “cultural center” took the job as a favor to James A. Baker III, the former President George H.W. Bush official and lawyer who defended Saudi government officials against a lawsuit filed by families of 9/11 victims. Baker has counted bin Talal as a client.

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Bin Talal has pumped more than $300,000 into the project headed by New York imam Feisal Abdul Rauf as part of the prince’s campaign to “improve the image of Islam in the American public.” The prince’s charitable foundation in 2008 gave $125,000 to Rauf, which came on the heels of an earlier $180,000 gift, according to the Arab press.

The foundation is run by Muna AbuSulayman, a Saudi woman who appears on Rauf’s website as one of its “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow.”

Additionally, the prince funded “through a generous grant” the reprinting of Rauf’s 2004 book, originally titled “A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.”

The amount of the grant is undisclosed. Attempts to reach bin Talal’s Saudi-based foundation were unsuccessful.

Guiliani refused to accept bin Talal’s $10 million donation after bin Talal blamed U.S. policy in the Middle East for the 9/11 attacks and suggested the U.S. take a position more favorable to the “Palestinian cause.”

Critics called his offer “blood money” and praised Guiliani for rebuffing it.

After Giuliani’s snub, bin Talal took a more indirect strategy to influence American policy.

In a 2002 interview in the Arab press, bin Talal intimated that “Arabs should focus more on penetrating U.S. public opinion as a means to influencing decision-making” on the war on terror and U.S. foreign policy.

Bin Talal proceeded to give more than $500,000 to the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington. The prince currently is helping CAIR finance a $50 million campaign to fight “Islamophobia” in America. According to a sensitive State Department cable, top CAIR officials in 2006 traveled to Saudi Arabia to solicit bin Talal and other wealthy Saudis for campaign funds.

“We are planning to meet Prince Alwaleed bin Talal for his financial support to our project,” CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad told the Arab press at the time. “He has been generous in the past.”

In addition, the Saudi-based Organization of the Islamic Conference has kicked in more than $300,000 for CAIR’s propaganda effort, according to the book “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America,” which exposes CAIR and other fronts for the radical Muslim Brotherhood in America.

CAIR last week held a press conference at the National Press Club to support the construction of the mosque near Ground Zero. It also denounced critics as “Islamophobes.” CAIR occupies a suite next door to Rauf’s Manhattan offices, and Rauf has honored CAIR’s New York chapter spokesman as one of his “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow.”

The Justice Department says CAIR is a terrorist front group for Hamas and its parent the Muslim Brotherhood. CAIR in 2007 was named an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal scheme to funnel millions of dollars to Hamas suicide bombers and their families, prompting the FBI to cut off all outreach to the group.

The group in the past has insisted it receives no foreign support but now acknowledges taking it least overseas money from bin Talal, whose operations are based in Saudi Arabia. However, CAIR argues it shouldn’t be held to a higher standard than Fox.

“News Corp. is headed by Rupert Murdoch and is the parent company of Fox News Channel,” CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said. “If CAIR is taken to task for bin Talal’s donation to us, so should these companies be taken to task for accepting his money.”

Through his Kingdom Holding Co., bin Talal owns at least a 7 percent, $2.3 billion stake in Fox’s parent company News Corp. His website lists News Corp. as a “core” holding.

“KHC [Kingdom Holding Co.] intends to continue to leverage its relationship with New Corp.’s mangement to identify new investment opportunities,” the website says.

Indeed, bin Talal last month launched a new Arabic TV news channel in partnership with the Fox network. The 24-hour broadcast channel will compete with Al-Jazeera. Earlier this year, News Corp. agreed to buy a 9.1 percent stake in bin Talal’s Rotana Media group for $70 million. Rotana hosts Fox channels in Saudi Arabia.

Critics call bin Talal an “agent of Saudi influence” who has even marshaled direct influence over editorial content at Fox. He once boasted of persuading producers to change a screen banner under video footage of Muslims rioting in France to remove its Islamic reference.

“I picked up the phone and called [New Corp. chief Rupert] Murdoch,” bin Talal said. “Within 30 minutes, the title was changed from ‘Muslim riots’ to ‘civil riots.'”

Fox does not deny his account.

Leading Fox News opinion hosts, however, have been editorializing against the Ground Zero mosque plan. Bill O’Reilly has called for it to be built elsewhere, and Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck have spoken against it. Yesterday, the three hosts of “Fox and Friends” – Gretchen Carlson, Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade – agreed it should not be built nearthe World Trade Center site.

News Corp. also owns the Wall Street Journal. Insiders say two of the newspaper’s top investigative reporters covering terrorism left after Murdoch scaled back their beats. Glenn Simpson and Susan Schmidt, both award-winning journalists, had broken major stories on Saudi funding of terrorism.

Bin Talal, News Corp.’s second-largest shareholder outside the Murdoch clan, has described his relationship with Murdoch’s son and heir-apparent James Murdoch as “very close.”

“If he (Rupert) doesn’t appoint him, I’ll be the first one to nominate him to be the successor of Mr. Rupert Murdoch, God forbid if something happens to him,” bin Talal told Charlie Rose in a recent TV interview.

The Aspen connection

After 9/11, Rauf co-founded the Cordoba Initiative with former Aspen, Colo., Mayor John S. Bennett, which explains why Cordoba’s tax filings list an Aspen address.

During his four terms as mayor, Bennett was introduced to bin Talal and other Saudi royals, who own chalets and other properties in Aspen (Bennett’s own home is valued at more than $2 million). Bin Talal met his second wife in Aspen.

Before taking over Cordoba as executive director, Bennett headed the Aspen Institute, which included among its board members former Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan, as well as former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Rice has appeared with Rauf at events in Washington and overseas.

Aspen Institute recently launched the Middle East Leadership Initiative with “generous support” from Saudi Arabia. AbuSulayman, bin Talal’s aide, is an AspenInstitute Middle East fellow.

Cordoba’s tax filings show that Julia A. Jitkoff of Kingsville, Texas, was a director before resigning in 2007. Sources say the Texas socialite was sponsored by “longtime friend” Jim Baker, who sits on the board of her family’s King Ranch holding company.

FEC records show Jitkoff and her family gave over $30,000 to the Bush-Cheney campaigns. Cordoba’s 2008 IRS statement shows its books are kept by Kay Zimm of Kingsville.

According to bin Talal’s biography, he and Baker met regularly in Houston to discuss business in the 1990s, when bin Talal was a Carlyle Group client of Baker. Joining them for business lunches at the Bayou Club was former President George H.W. Bush, a senior Carlyle adviser at the time.

Baker’s Houston law firm, Baker & Botts, which defended Saudi officials against the 9/11 lawsuit, is one of the top international firms specializing in Shariah-compliant finance – another hobbyhorse of bin Talal.

Bin Talal in 2007 donated $250,000 to the James Baker III Institute at Rice University.

Bennett is also close to the Bush family. He graduated from both Yale University and Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass. In 2002, bin Talal donated $500,000 to help fund the George Herbert Walker Bush Scholarship at Phillips Academy.

The Cordoba documentary

The Cordoba Initiative is promoting the Ground Zero mosque. According to its tax filing, its mission statement, among other things, is to “address the root causes of international terrorism.”

Cordoba was the center of the Islamic caliphate in Spain, and the Cordoba mosque was built over the cathedral there.

Rauf has also worked on a documentary film – “Out of Cordoba” – by New York director Jacob Bender, a peace activist and Islamic apologist. The 2008 film, for which Rauf is listed as an adviser, purports to document how Islam led Europe out of the Dark Ages.

“Cordoba was the most advanced city on the European continent,” Bender says.

He also claims it was the most tolerant, allowing Christianity and Judaism to “coexist” with Islam.

Bender said he made the film to respond to “growing evidence of Islamophobia and attacks upon Muslims,” adding that “negative stereotypes about the Muslim are the result of ignorance.”

“American society has always been quite isolated, not wanting to know about the rest of the world. Secondly, American popular cultures always needed an enemy to confront,” he said. “First it was the native Americans, [then] Germans in World War I, and later the communists.”

Then came 9/11 and the war on terror. “In recent years people in the United States looked to justify the huge military budget by finding a new enemy in the Arab and Muslim world,” Bender continued. “The 9/11 and al-Qaida presented them with an opportunity to say that Islam is an enemy of the West.”

Muslim leaders around the world have given the film rave reviews.

“The film will contribute to solving the problem of misunderstanding between the Islamic world and the West,” gushed OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, who has proposed with CAIR an international law criminalizing blasphemy of the Muslim prophet Muhammad.

Listed first among “major funders” backing the film: Alwaleed bin Talal Foundation.

Another backer is the Islamic Society of North America, which bin Talal also finances. The uncle of Rauf’s wife, Daisy Khan, serves on ISNA’s board. The U.S. government recently named ISNA an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terror-finance case in U.S. history.

An ISNA affiliate – the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences – changed its name after federal agents raided its offices after 9/11 on suspicion of supporting terrorism. Northern Virginia-based GSISS is now known as Cordoba University.

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And though these conservative Arminians have been found supporting terrorist Muslims (again, it’s already been known for more than a year that Saudi royalty owned some of Fox News), it’s also known that there are liberal Arminians who support Muslim terrorists by pandering to their religion. So the conspiracy and “layer(s) of ignorance” these Arminians are accusing each other of and amazing over, is much deeper than what both groups realize. Just like the Bible said, these are he last days, and it will be a terrible time, worse than any in all history. The good thing of course, is that it will get better, and one day become perfect, for those who love God.

Brothers of Westboro Baptists Exposed: ”God Hates Calvinists”

Post link: http://westboro.tk or http://arminians.tk

This is a complete transcript copied off Facebook, of Arminians conversing with each other, and me joining in at one point and then being argued against by them, due to their inability to keep back their hatred for true Christians for long. There is a picture below of part of the page with some parts which I blanked out for privacy and security reasons, and only modified one part of the transcript to avoid confusion, which is where I said, “Let’s look:” which formerly was “Let’s lookL”, which was a typo. Here is the transcript, which shows how Arminians use childish, insulting and deceptive arguments, repeat themselves rather than listen to why what they’ve said is wrong, as if they were broken records, and contradict themselves in the usage of arbitrary and hypocritical arguments:

Curtis Reinas Prophetic Worship??? What the!?! Prophetic Worship??? Some one help me out here, PLEASE!!! Prophetic Worship??? SMH Um, could SOMEONE PLEASE SCHOOL ME on Prophetic Worship and where we see it in the bible…or is it simply yet ANOTHER WAY to make merchandise out of Gods people as “they” SELL their music. Prophetic Worship…biblical???
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Jeffrey Glen Wicker ‎1 Cor 14 is all bout prophecy in the corporte gatherings. i dont know what context you ar makin these remarks but it should be forth telling what god has finally said in Christ not new revelation (Heb. 1)
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Becky Stein
Revelation 19, “…that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. ”

John 4:23-24, “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in tru…th: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”See More
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ALexander Ruiz Prophecy must line up with Gods word. There are people calling themselves prophets like crazy on Facebook, coming out the woodwork of profiting off of peoples ignorance…
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Brandy Conner Bell idk what you are referring to here, but I am a worship leader, and when I lead worship in song the Holy Spirit speaks to me and I sing out what I hear Him say. I’d say that is prophetic worship because I am voicing what God is speaking. It always encourages, corrects, etc.
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Ralph Dotson Smh Right wit ya Curtis,lol lol!!
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Prophetess Leesa Welch Brother Curtis…..FALSE Prophets are examples of the propaganda you speak of….please check your inbox in a few…but I will say that in Exodus 15:20-21 as the children of Israel crossed the red sea…Prophetess Miriam took a timbrel gathered the women and prophetically danced before the Lord.
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Prophetess Leesa Welch ‎@ Brandy…. Amen THAT IS PROPHETIC WORSHIP…you sing HIS WORDS…
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Jubilee Trumpet The Psalms are full of Davids songs and many prophetic of Christ, the word might not be there but it is there.
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ALexander Ruiz Curtis pray for discernment. There’s to many self proclaimed prophets your right…many of them have on fancy clothes and are,all about the love of the world.Not to say God doesn’t have prophets in the earth…but as many as are on Facebook, just isn’t jiving…
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Joe Brown Shatan is sneaky and slick. If someone is dancing around speaking in tongues, I’d be leary. Yashua is the way not a fruit loop possessed by a “spirit”. They make themselves out to be a prophet but I say where is the Christ like humility in that. From what I have seen, it’s more like profit than prophet.
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Prophetess Leesa Welch
‎@ Alexander..you are VERY correct in your words AND I agree that MANY call ‘themselves’ prophets, ministers, apostles,etc. on facebook and beyond. It is essential that the Lord calls and ordains one….. it is also essential to take and te…st the spirit by the spirit…. a prophet’s word should be THE LORD’S WORDS and NOT their own…. and I encourage ALL…. as I shared with Bro Curtis….. to test and try ANY & ALL words that He uses me to minister with the Word and Spirit….ask HIM how I am living….. I don’t mind… those in the ministry AND we as Christians are subject to line up our words and lives with Jesus!! AMEN!! :)See More
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ALexander Ruiz Amen! That’s my point when God uses one to speak to me ill know, as only Gods knows my inner man, what I’m facing. Indeed a servant of the Lord will never lead one from the book…Im speaking about those ear tickling profit lieing for a buck type of frauds…like revelations speaks about false apostles…
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Prophetess Leesa Welch ‎@ Alexander… I know what you mean :)….it is also essential to remember that it is written that God HIMSELF will expose and correct those whose heart is entwined with false and perverse motives as they ‘minister’ to His people. Me, I pray for them that when they are enlightened by God…. that they will repent and seek after Jesus….pursuing an intimate relationship with Him!!!!
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ALexander Ruiz Me I defend the faith and by Gods Spirit reprove the deeds of darkness…I’m just sick of all the false teachings in America, the idols and strongholds… Share the gospel, fight the good fight…
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Rochelle Clark
Curtis, I just want to say that this biggest turn off ever that I had concerning any church or gathering or belief was when I went to a service with my mother. These people were making songs out of and mocking other peoples faith in God. an…d this was there practice of worship. I do believe that there is ignorance in man made traditions within the church that is not biblical, in many churches infact. Let us remember that God sees the heart of the believer and we are all in different places in Him. So please keep in mind that if you see this on someones posting or wall, I would suggest you pray for them and then maybe ( suggestion) in a spirit of humility and love approach them on a personal note? It may very well be that people are selling books and cd’s and other things that we may feel is not right but who am I to judge another mans faith publicly, when God looks at His heart. Could we not say of all of us that there are things we do out of ignorance or that we feel is right and others do not but if we were going to listen and hear someone else quoting even truth to us, wouldnt it be better recieved. Correction that is… From a heart of love and not judgement or condemnation, mockery or some sort of accusation?See More
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Ahn Matthews Yes Curtis and it seems someone always wants to have a title.
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Loyd Parker Me..just a simple son of God, with the high praises of God in my mouth! Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name…….
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Curtis Reinas
Worship is worship…I know what worship is and I also know the biblical definition of worship…but to “label” worship as “prophetic worship” is BEYOND me. These people don’t “write songs”, they “prophetically” or rather “spontaneously” be…gin to play music and then whatever comes out of them is “the song”…and then once the song is sung and recorded, they “title” the song, package it and then SELL IT.

So every single song EVER sang/sung for Jesus MUST BE “prophetic worship”. Am I wrong? Well according to some comments I would be EXACTLY RIGHT! Not that I agree with that.

Now WE ALL KNOW the DANGER of SELLING ANYTHING that God has freely given. COUNTLESS Christians SELL what God has FREELY given them and they make ALL KINDS of WORLDLY EXCUSES AS TO WHY ‘they’ have the right to over ride The Words of Christ, “Freely ye have received, freely give”. Whether it be “Christian books”, “Christian music”, “T-shirts”, “Bumper stickers” and the list goes on…BUT TO LABEL SOMETHING “Prophetic Worship” and then turn around and SELL IT??? Woe unto them! That’s BAD!!!

So, as far as “Prophetic Worship” goes…as of now, I AIN’T BUYIN IT! Not in merchandise OR in Truth. I was introduced to “it” many years ago and really thought nothin of it but that it was EXTRA SPECIAL music…well since “SOMEONE” loaded my in box with tagged videos of THEMSELVES “prophetically worshiping” (for marketing purposes ONLY as discernment has proven), I’m now QUESTIONING it…SERIOUSLY questioning it.

As far as the “titles” go here on fb or in person…if ANYONE gives themselves a title of “prophet”, “evangelist”, “apostle” ahem, forgive me, I almost puked…to me, that proves only ONE THING! They are NOT. And YES I DO BELIEVE in the existence of what “church” calls the “five fold ministry”.See More
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Curtis Reinas
Rochelle, I do understand!
…it’s when you’ve exhaustively given your all to show someone the error of their ways and you’ve ONLY used scripture IN CONTEXT to support Christ’s (The Words) view that we are not only able, but COMMANDED to re…buke and even reject that individual…been there, done that and even received my REJECTION from the apostate hirelings venomous tactics.

Simon the sorcerer was a NEW CONVERT, a literal BABE in Christ in Acts…go read it. Peter VEHEMENTLY rebuked him. So as I defend and confirm the gospel, sometimes i can be as harmless as a dove and as long suffering as Christ Himself, but at other times I can be as FEROCIOUS as a lion. Depending on Christs Spirit moving in me…it’s HIM in us, not we of ourselves…See More
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Becky Stein Proverbs 8:13, “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.”
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Curtis Reinas ‎…and I’m thinkin this “prophetic worship” stuff is OVERFLOWING with evil, pride, arrogance and SELF promotion. SMH
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Ann Blaha Prophets don’t sell the word given them from the Lord. The word of the Lord is free to all. When people make videos for sale, they are seeking fame and fortune. That goes for all the professional musicians that have made multitudes of videos for marketing.
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Isabel Nalley what does “spirit and truth” have anything to do with what these people are trying to pull? just another marketing ploy
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Dawn Reinas
Prophetic worship is just a name given to worship as led by the Spirit, it’s spontaneous. BUT, we should’t be recording it to sell to the masses. Writing books, selling songs, all freely given to them by God. What right do we have to sel…l anything that God gives to us freely? When you turn around and sell something like this, you are really saying “I wrote this song” and/or “I wrote this book/teaching” with an emphasis in ‘I’, and since I wrote it I have a right to sell it. So you, in a sense, give yourself credit for the wisdom that comes from God, and sell it as if its your own to sell. As if it belongs to you. What right do we have to sell something that God gave to us? NONE.See More
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Curtis Reinas SELF will NOT accept such truth wife…Freely ye have received, freely give is IGNORED all for the sake of S-E-L-F. After all, we are all sinners and Christ died for our sins and where there is no more remembrance of sin, we sinners can live anyway we so desire because Jesus loves us JUST THE WAY WE ARE!!! ALL LIES IN HYPOCRISIES!!!
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Daniel Knight
Did you mean to say that Jesus loves as lying hypocrites? If so you should know that God doesn’t refer to saved Christians as such, but says that formerly we were drunkards, homosexuals, etc., so we are no longer hypocrites. It means in the… sense that we are no longer living a life in which all we do is sin, and sin less and less over all. And Christians can be identified because especially in public, they don’t want to be seen sinning, unlike people of the world, who with regards to at least certain sins, don’t care or show it off.See More
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Daniel Knight Also, Prophetic Worship sounds like a nonsense term, a typical catch phrase that silly Charismatics and Pentecostals (the type who believe salvation is in their hands and not God’s) would come up with. It sounds no more logical that Laughter Worship or meaningful than Spirit Worship, Joyful Worship, Mourning Worship, Listening-to-God-On-High-Worship, Anti-Satan Worship or other things you can invent like that. It’s silly. I just stick with the Bible and be content with the usual phrases that are more readily understood.
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Tuyet Mai Thi Lai
freedom of worship>David sang, danced and played in all sorts of styles so there is freedom in worship, but do so with integrity.
the cd and book or even the bible publication> there are definitely finacial needs in the production line, some… expensive costs may involved but yes, we should sale or buy with spiritual discernment.See More
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Daniel Knight Oops I meant “than Laughter Worship” not “that Laughter Worship”.
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Curtis Reinas Tuyet…what you just wrote does nothing for Truth at all. All you’ve done is justified NOT living by faith. ALL lies in hypocrisies
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Dawn Reinas If God wants a book published then He will provide the financial means to do so because He can not go against His Word. So for all those who sell books and teachings and prophecies and music, and you cannot support yourself without charging you, then you are NOT hearing from God on the matter.
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Daniel Knight
Something though that you should know Curtist and Dawn, and everyone, is that I’ve found that is extremely difficult to get anyone to read anything I’ve written let alone a one page gospel explanation, unless your selling it. I don’t mean s…ell the gospel I’m just giving an example. These days many people, at least those with money to spend on “extras” see a free book, ESPECIALLY a religious one, as worthless if it is not priced, and I get the impression not priced at at least $3 or $4.99. This isn’t the attitude of everyone, and of course a poor person seeking spiritual help who has little would treasure such a possession, but for those with money to spend on things they don’t need to survive (so they think), will see such things as worthless or of little value. Of course they can change after buying it or getting it for free, but when many people see it has a price, they correctly get the impression that it has value and that it’s being sold because someone out there wants to buy it. That is why I intend to put my currently free books up for sale, so that it spreads into public bookstores and libraries. Do you see? Do book stores “sell” free books? And how many libraries do you know acquire books that had no price, that list anonymous works? I’ve never seen an anonymous author in a library, though of course there would be famous ones from ancient times there or within other books with a price and ancient books for which no price was known.

But for the sake of spreading the truth, a book should be given a price these days to get them into greater public view, rather than remaining obscure. I’ve had trouble, great trouble, getting my free books to be carried by churches even, especially Pentecostal / Assembly of God ones. And Arminians hate my works when they realize I am Calvinist and will not read them, except in hopes to find I’ve made an error perhaps, or to steal credit from me.

That doesn’t mean that you have to price a book and such a price to make a personal profit. But if you do, that doesn’t mean that the book has to be bought. For example everyone knows that in most American bookstores you can sit down and read a book every day till it has become worn out and never buy it, and you can even look and smell a little like a bum till too many people complain of course and starts cutting into the store’s profits.

You can also “sell” a book so to speak in such stores with the understanding that you are being paid for your preaching, like the way a pastor etc., gets a portion of the “Sunday” donations. So long as you are allowing your religious-subject-centered works to be read for free, there is no violation, and if a store forces people to pay before reading or reading past a certain part, that is not your fault, and regardless, at least whoever reads will be exposed to what you wrote and their attention focused on it. On top of that, if they keep the book or CD, whatever, in good condition, they can return it to the store for a profit and get money back.

And also keep this in mind, the apostle Paul was poverty stricken, and came to a point where he commanded certain Christians to give him what he needed to continue his ministry because they were holding back what he needed. So, it isn’t unreasonable that if a Christian is not even getting what he needs to survive let alone live decently, that he is doing no wrong if he is selling a religious work, so long as it does not contain the gospel, which truly should be free. But even if the book does contain the gospel, there is a “trick” so to speak, in which it can be unattached to the book, or like those annoying cards in magazines, simply be tugged out a little to free it.

Also, the Bible does indicate that many false Christians will betray the fewer true Christians in the last days, and that it will steadily get worse, and that many Christians will die in persecution, and that even the Catholics will be persecuted greatly by the Anti-Christ. So it isn’t as simple as you seem to imply, Dawn, “You’re not having enough faith in God’s word” or “You’re not listening to what God said (which is to have faith that he will give you what you need to survive). Also, it’s a wrong teaching to imply that when Jesus taught not to worry because he would provide what you needed to live decently, that he mean ON EARTH. That same misconception is used by pastors seeking to gain from their congregations and others with tithing, a concept which false Christians and even some true ones have twisted to mean giving of your money (which the Bible does not associate with tithing at all anywhere). So, it’s incorrect to teach that God will simply provide everything a Christian needs to do whatever good they want to do, he does not say, “I will give you x amount of money to do this at this time” or “Since you want to do this good thing I will give you the means to do it and you will live x amount of time.” It’s not like that, God’s will is done and he goes with his plans, not our will and plans UNLESS it matches his. Though the Bible does teach that the more righteous you are, the better chance you have in succeeding at whatever good you want to accomplish (as is taught by the “fervent prayer of a righteous man” verse, or however it is worded, and as is taught by some other verses).

If you are going to condemn the selling of religious works, condemn the selling of evil religious works, and rebuke those Christians with little to no ministry, who have little interest in furthering their ministry, who have money beyond what they need to live comfortably, who won’t give that money to a Christian who needs it more or who could better use it to spread the gospel or help Christians become better Christians. Remember that passage Jesus told, the riddle of the workers to whom were given money by their master, and one of them buried the money so that it gained his master nothing, and his master condemned him for it. Would Jesus condemn a Christian who used his money, especially a little money, to spread right teachings of the master into public stores all over the world for people to be saved? No way, unless that servant’s intention was to use the money he gain for evil reasons, or to waste it on excessive comforts, things that were not necessary for them to live a decent and stable life towards God.

But the kingdom of God is not about profit or selling religious works or services, but in having joy in the Spirit in things which are clearly good and cannot be argued against as being evil, so if a Christian offends you by such a thing within your church or near to you, let them know so they will stop, and at the very least, not do it where you will see it.See More
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Daniel Knight
Every Christian should remember to pray strongly for wisdom in all of God’s word, especially that which God considers most important, and to let them know especially what would help them help others in their area rather than simply learning… what others already know and could tell them. Just remember, that the greater your wisdom in God’s word, the greater the risk you will fall into the sin of pride: boasting in what you know without giving any indication that God made it possible for you to learn what you did, and the greater judgment you will be under if you keep your wisdom to yourself when you know you should have shared it (a thing which false, though somewhat wise Christians, afraid of persecution, will definitely do, and by doing, add to their eternal condemnation).See More
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Loyd Parker Whew! Long winded exhortation! Now let’s get to preaching Christ and Him crucified….doesn’t take as long, and a soul could be saved! Away with endless debates and bickering…Go preach the Gospel!!!
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Curtis Reinas Simply contending for the faith my brotha! simply contending for the faith…
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Loyd Parker I wasn’t referring to your comments, Bro. Curtis….some folks hog the “pulpit” and don’t know when to say “Amen”….Keep up your good stuff!
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Curtis Reinas I gotcha bro!
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Angelique Frew I am just as stumped. I have no idea what that is about.
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Tuyet Mai Thi Lai ‎@ Daniel’s> ty for sharing the insight in this field :)
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Daniel Knight ‎@Loyd Parker it’s actually arguing / bickering when you overgeneralize like you did and smear everyone as bickering, it’s little different then the hypocritical “you shouldn’t judge comment” which is a self-negating statement. And I was done talking about this…
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Daniel Knight ‎@Tuyet Mai Thi Lai thankyou, and whatever I said true, it’s thanks to God.
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Daniel Knight ‎@Loyd Parker “Long winded exhortation” The Bible is also a large exhortation, do you have a problem with it or any of Paul’s letters, which are much longer than mine here? Seeya.
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Curtis Reinas
Well Daniel, I’ve been holding back so I must now speak. My wife and I despise Calvinists BUT ONLY AS The Lord despises Calvinists. We HATE what The Lord HATES and we LOVE what The Lord LOVES.

What I see Loyd doing is simply taking what you… wrote and generalizing it as “long winded”. If you re read your comments, you actually revert back into the “promotion” of “selling” what The Lord has FREELY GIVEN you simply because no one will read “your” writings because there’s no price tag on it. Justifiable “lack of knowledge”. There is NO WAY anyone can take a wrong, mix things up a little but through “justification” of the wrong, and make it “right”.

Calvinism is a damned doctrine. We’ve studied it out and found it to be damnable AND heretical. Now I’m not here on this thread to debate the lies and deception of Calvinism…but my point is this, Christians for years have been “marketing” the gospel in so many ways, shapes and forms, depending on the arm of the flesh to meet their needs. “Prophetic Worship” is simply another manifestation of “depending on the arm of the flesh” in order to GET.

WHATEVER God gives to another, whether song, lyrics, inspiration, prophetic, healing…WHATEVER. Anyone putting a price tag on it is deceived and has been written of ALL through the True Testament of our God.See More
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Dawn Reinas Amen Curtis! Daniel, I do not agree. Selling teachings and prophecies is making merchandise of God’s people, period. The ends DO NOT justify the means. That’s really all to be said. Freely you have received, freely give. In other words, do not charge people for any inspirational music, teachings, wisdom, prophecies that you receive from God. Simple.
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Dawn Reinas And one more thing – Curtis and I do not agree with the doctrine of John Calvin. In researching that doctrine and studying the scriptures, that doctrine is found wanting.
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “Well Daniel, I’ve been holding back so I must now speak. My wife and I despise Calvinists” – I could tell you were not saved because you rant incoherently and your wife spoke out against the obvious: which is that you can s…ell a book without actually selling it AND AT NO PROFIT TO YOURSELF, showing LESS CONCERN FOR THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL LIFE AND MORE ABOUT JUDGING OTHERS REGARDLESS OF ANY GOOD THEY DO, LET ALONE SHOWING PEOPLE HOW TO GET ETERNAL LIFE, ONE OF THE MAIN COMMANDS OF THE BIBLE, neither of which are traits of a Christian who is forgiven of their sins. AND, your wife unfriended me and magically forgot why, and now that you say that you strongly hate Calvinists, it is obvious why she did so. It is also not a trait of a Christian to ignore obvious evidence kindly made available for you as to why it is heresy and blasphemy to claim that you can earn God’s love, let alone to do so and not even bother asking yourself if such a thing was possible after having read the Bible (you have read it haven’t you?).

And you also gave another sign that you are not saved, you said you despise Calvinists: to despise means “To strongly hate”. And ironically, the Bible refutes Arminianism in a few close-together concerning that AND THE TOPIC OF SELLING RELIGIOUS WORKS TO SURVIVE AND CARRY ON YOUR MINISTRY AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF LIFE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF IT, WHO ARE NEEDY OF SALVATION:

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love God whom he has not seen?

1Jn 3:15-17 Everyone hating his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has everlasting life abiding in him. By this we have known the love of God, because He laid down His life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But whoever has this world’s goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?

“We HATE what The Lord HATES and we LOVE what The Lord LOVES.”

Does “the Lord” Mr. “Lord Lord did we not sit with you” / “get away from you who when you saw the needy did not help them and so did not help me” – does the Lord say he hates Calvinists, for teaching, as I said on my previous profile when your wife was linked to it, and which is there now again: “GOD’S LOVE IS FREE”? And you also said,

“What I see Loyd doing is simply taking what you…”

And you meant talking with an L obviously, and as I said, you are ranting nonsensically: NO ONE simply “talks” who is trying to make points and has done so as Loyd, and I even with very short replies pointed out his stupid comments which also applied to you as I pointed out, and yet magically, he’s just typing words??????? Are you not blind to the utter obvious? If all Loyd was doing was typing out words, you’re saying than THAT HE WAS MAKING NO POINTS AND MERELY RANTING, IS THAT A CHRISTIAN THING FOR HIM TO DO? AGAIN YOU WHO ARE SO HARD TO SEE THE UTTER OBVIOUS WITHIN A SHORT SENTENCE:

IS IT CHRISTIAN TO CALL THE BIBLE LONG-WINDED, LET ALONE ONE OF PAUL’S LETTERS, AND TO IMPLY THAT WRITTEN WORKS WHICH ARE LONG SHOULD BE INSULTED RATHER THAN PRAISED IF THEY SAY ANYTHING GOOD AND WHOSE POINT FOR BEING WRITTEN IS TO CEASE BICKERING AND ARGUMENT? IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG TO CALL SUCH A WORK “ARGUING AND BICKERING” ITSELF? But that’s not insulting to you huh Mr. “I Despise My Brothers”? It’s “merely talking”.

Well by that crazed judgment, we Calvinists too, are “just talking”.

Goodbye Mr. Arbitrarily Defend Other Arminians For the Sake of Showing Your Strong Hatred for Those Who Teach That God’s Love is Free and that God’s Eternal Peace Made Free by the EXTREME LONG RIGHTEOUS SUFFERING OF GOD’S ONE AND ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST TO THE POINT OF BEING STRIPPED NAKED, NAILED TO A CROSS, SPEARED AND SHEDDING HIS HOLY BLOOD, AND DYING ON A LOWLY CROSS, ALL THAT IN PUBLIC, NEITHER CAN BE EARNED BY THE “FILTHY RAGS” FROM “DESPERATELY WICKED” MAN.

TAKE THAT TO HEART IF YOU HAVE ONE: GOD IS LOVE, NOT “GOD IS HATE” MR. AND MISSES “IT’S OKAY FOR US TO HATE BECAUSE WE MERELY JUST TALKED BY SAYING IT CAME FROM GOD.”

You are taking God’s place as is anyone, when you make a claim without evidence, especially on something that has to do with God’s character and salvation, which you despite your pretense, show that you care more about YOUR VERSION OF “LOVE”, AND YOUR VERSION OF “SALVATION” being made known, which you outright say is “despising” others, rather than loving your brother, and obeying the second greatest law: LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

I hope this wasn’t “just talking” to you Mr. Attack the Calvinist for No Logical Evident Reason, but Defend the Attackers Who Argue and Insult and Express Evil Hatred for Christians Which They WITHOUT EVIDENCE Claim Is Righteous Hatred That Comes from God WHO IS LOVE.See More
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Dawn Reinas
Daniel I did forget why I deleted you, so do you think that your indirect accusation would just fly by me? Another thing, we are not Arminian.

And because you do not like what Curtis has to say to you doesn’t mean that he is not saved. Cur…tis hates the doctrine of John Calvin and so do I. It’s wicked and evil and makes Jesus something He’s not.

And you assume wrong by thinking we believe you can earn salvation. You are full of false accusations and assumptions on what we believe, and simply because we said we are not Calvinists. And most Calvinists we come across do this VERY THING. They accuse us falsely and pretend they know all their beliefs because they assume we are Arminian. They get angry if we don’t agree, they have accused Curtis of not being saved. And on and on and on….

Goodbye Daniel, if this is how you act then this is why I deleted you before. You told me privately you have problems socializing and are lonely and spending your birthday alone and all this ‘woe is me’ stuff – all in a private message which was inappropriate since I’m a married woman. And you go on and attack my husband in the flesh – well your original motives are clear. Why did you not write my husband privately with your lonely problems?

I guess it doesn’t matter to you right? You can sin like you did and still have the guarantee of heaven. After all, YOUR Jesus only atoned for the sins of some of the people and since you are the ‘chosen one’ then you can practice all the sin you desire and still die and go to heaven.

Goodbye Calvinist Daniel. At least call ourselves Christian – followers of Christ, and you blatantly make it known who you are a follower of – John Calvin.See More
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Curtis Reinas
It’s called slander wife…something The Lord DESPISES ALSO.

What Daniel has written is typical for John Calvin followers. The very SAME Satanic spirit that over took John Calvin ALSO overtakes his followers. Since “they” can’t get us to con…form to their damnable heresies and join their schism, they do their BEST to categorize us into a schism (Armenian) which adamantly opposes Calvinism. It’s Satan’s OLDEST trick.

Look at Daniels comment how he falsely accuses me. Look at his anti-Christ rants, slander and vain attempt to condemn me by trying to make me “lend my mind” to the most vile of slanderous lies, “that I’m not saved”.

This only PROVES ONE thing…I AM saved! Not by my own WORKS by by Christ Who WORKS IN and THROUGH me! Praise The Lord ALMIGHTY for exposing the deceitful workers of iniquity and for CONFIRMING His Holy Word!

Psalm 139:17-24

How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

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Daniel Knight
‎@Dawn Reinas “Amen Curtis!”

And you give an Amen to your husband with an exclamation mark because…? What’s your evidence Dawn? Let’s lookL

“I do not agree.”

Oh, because YOU don’t agree, because YOU feel it is wrong then it should not be done, REGARDLESS OF MY “LONG WINDED” explanation as you to why you are wrong, you argue and bicker (no surprise you do that if your husband claimed Loyd’s comment was “just talking” and really made no point though and when he just ignored whatever good things I said and brushed off MY POINT FROM THE BIBLE WHICH SAUS NOT ARGUE OVER DISPUTABLE THINGS, DAWN). Does the Bible say, “Dawn and Curtis are God, do as they feel and do as they command?” NO. But since you have ignored God word which says not to argue about disputable matters, and I pointed out why it says that: I have replied again to you about this subject. What Dawn, was so hard to see about my “long winded” (rant), where I pointed out the Bible says not to ARGUE over disputable matters and TO CARE MORE ABOUT PEACE AND JOY IN THE SPIRIT? IN OTHER WORDS, TO SIMPLY OBEY GOD IN WHAT YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD DO? Where is the “Amen Daniel!” to that Dawn? Instead you obsess on your dogma and husband who cares so little for it, can hardly be bothered to make a grammatically correct sentence. And why not if this is life and death and you “love truth and hate lies” as you imply? If God strongly to the point of sending people to Hell FOR ALL ETERNITY (and STILL LOVE THEM, NOT HATES THEM, YOU ARBITRARY ARGUMENT ARMINIANS – AGAIN: YOUR OWN TEACHING IS THAT GOD LOVES THOSE HE SENDS TO HELL, SO WHY DO YOU SAY “AMEN CURTIS!” TO HATING THEM, AND NOT EVEN GIVE A LITTLE EVIDENCE FOR WHY YOU ARE RIGHT TO HATE EVEN ONE PERSON?) – IF GOD WILL SEND PEOPLE TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, SHOULDN’T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CARE TO MAKE A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT SENTENCE WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING YOU PUT IN CAPS AND SHOUT ABOUT, AS YOU DID HERE, WITH MULTIPLE QUESTION MARKS:

“Prophetic Worship??? What the!?! Prophetic Worship??? Some one help me out here, PLEASE!!! Prophetic Worship??? SMH Um, could SOMEONE PLEASE SCHOOL ME on Prophetic Worship and where we see it in the bible…or is it simply yet ANOTHER WAY to make merchandise out of Gods people as “they” SELL their music. Prophetic Worship…biblical???”

And here:

“SELF will NOT accept such truth wife…Freely ye have received, freely give is IGNORED all for the sake of S-E-L-F. After all, we are all sinners and Christ died for our sins and where there is no more remembrance of sin, we sinners can live anyway we so desire because Jesus loves us JUST THE WAY WE ARE!!! ALL LIES IN HYPOCRISIES!!!”

Would you like to go to an English teacher to confirm your sentences here are corrupt? Example, it’s “Lies in hypocrisy” not “hypocrisies”. Though that part is minor, your errors pile up and form rants over all. Instead of yelling crazily how about being calm so you can think more clearly which you obviously have a problem with, so great that it slipped right past you and your wife that you are misleading, that it is against the second greatest law to hate anyone, let alone that you treat God carelessly and are using him as a tool to promote your own gospel.

And Dawn, you used an evil tactic here:

“Selling teachings and prophecies is making merchandise of God’s people, period.”

Did I say “merchandise” anywhere? Did I say “sell crosses”? And where does the Bible say it would be wrong to sell crosses anyways? Christ taught not to turn the church into a store and to give what God gave to you for free, free yourself, and in context, he means the religious wisdom on what his word means and the gospel freely, not just whatever free gift he has given you. If we gave away whatever God gave to us for free, there would be nothing to sell since everything belongs to God and he lets us borrow it all, and you would be sinning yourself (and are in a way since you say it is wrong) by selling and buying anything, since, again, it all belongs to God (and is lent to us freely, OF GOD’S OWN FREE WILL). Or are you serious when you teach directly or indirectly that GOD IS UNDER THE WILL OF MAN? Even when you read that Christ said, and under extreme pain that would break any mere human: “But not my will, yours be done”?

I will not Dawn repeat the reasons, the clear reasons I gave for you saying that selling teachings and prophecies is wrong as you misleadingly say by oversimplying if with a sentence like that, another mislead, because you’re giving the impression that I said, “Sell the Bible and prophecies God gave you without letting anyone know what it was he said”, WHEN I SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE DAWN AND WHICH YOU JUST INSULTINGLY IGNORED BY STUBBORN REPEATING YOURSELF. How would you like it Dawn and Curtis if I said to you, “God is not love and there is no point in being loving like God” and you explain a large amount (long winded remember?) of good teachings to me from the Bible as to why God is love and why you should be loving, and I ignore it all and reply again with:

“No…! wroNG G0d is NOT love!!! and there’s no point in loving him AND JUST LOVING EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS!!!! which you said and believe in do you not?????????!!!!! Well but oh so wait you ChristianS so called!!! LIES IN HYPOCRIES IF THAT’S TRUE THEN I’M LOVING ME SOME SIN, AH HAH CHRITIANS CONTRADICT AGAIN! AMEN TO ATHEIST HUSBAND AND ALL MY ATHEIST FRIENDS! AND I LOVE DESPISING YOU CHRISTIANS!”

Wouldn’t that be an extremely disgusting response and something to truly despise to a great effort in love, love with patience? Yet you treated me the same way, showing contempt and “despising” for it, virtually saying that I am worthless, that any good I said is worthless, merely because, I’m a Calvinist, the same kind of reasoning racists use. Do you know what bigotry is or not care Mr. and Mrs. We Hate Christians Who Oppose Our Feelings In the Name of God?

“period.”

Dawn, “period” is not evidence, the force of your emotion is not evidence, your feelings are not evidence, period. The evidence for that claim?: Read the Bible, it implies that God’s word is to be used as evidence, not “I Dawn with confidence have said, “This is so, amen and period.” Or “If 5 billion Arminians say “Amen” then it is so.” That is false religion and a hatred for truth.

I’ll say it again: The Bible says not to argue over disputable matters but to take joy in doing what everyone knows to be right in God’s Spirit. So how about listening to your Arminian brother Lord at least, and ceasing arguing and bickering, and preaching “the gospel”? How about that gospel of eternal life, the eternal life that both Christ and John said is in those who love their brothers and enemies? Didn’t I put a link, and don’t I always, on my profile as to how to get that eternal life? So what is your excuse?
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “Well Daniel, I’ve been holding back so I must now speak. My wife and I despise Calvinists” – I could tell you were not saved because you rant incoherently and your wife spoke out against the obvious: which is that you can s……ell a book without actually selling it AND AT NO PROFIT TO YOURSELF, showing LESS CONCERN FOR THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL LIFE AND MORE ABOUT JUDGING OTHERS REGARDLESS OF ANY GOOD THEY DO, LET ALONE SHOWING PEOPLE HOW TO GET ETERNAL LIFE, ONE OF THE MAIN COMMANDS OF THE BIBLE, neither of which are traits of a Christian who is forgiven of their sins. AND, your wife unfriended me and magically forgot why, and now that you say that you strongly hate Calvinists, it is obvious why she did so. It is also not a trait of a Christian to ignore obvious evidence kindly made available for you as to why it is heresy and blasphemy to claim that you can earn God’s love, let alone to do so and not even bother asking yourself if such a thing was possible after having read the Bible (you have read it haven’t you?).

And you also gave another sign that you are not saved, you said you despise Calvinists: to despise means “To strongly hate”. And ironically, the Bible refutes Arminianism in a few close-together concerning that AND THE TOPIC OF SELLING RELIGIOUS WORKS TO SURVIVE AND CARRY ON YOUR MINISTRY AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF LIFE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF IT, WHO ARE NEEDY OF SALVATION:

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love God whom he has not seen?

1Jn 3:15-17 Everyone hating his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has everlasting life abiding in him. By this we have known the love of God, because He laid down His life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But whoever has this world’s goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?

“We HATE what The Lord HATES and we LOVE what The Lord LOVES.”

Does “the Lord” Mr. “Lord Lord did we not sit with you” / “get away from you who when you saw the needy did not help them and so did not help me” – does the Lord say he hates Calvinists, for teaching, as I said on my previous profile when your wife was linked to it, and which is there now again: “GOD’S LOVE IS FREE”? And you also said,

“What I see Loyd doing is simply taking what you…”

And you meant talking with an L obviously, and as I said, you are ranting nonsensically: NO ONE simply “talks” who is trying to make points and has done so as Loyd, and I even with very short replies pointed out his stupid comments which also applied to you as I pointed out, and yet magically, he’s just typing words??????? Are you not blind to the utter obvious? If all Loyd was doing was typing out words, you’re saying than THAT HE WAS MAKING NO POINTS AND MERELY RANTING, IS THAT A CHRISTIAN THING FOR HIM TO DO? AGAIN YOU WHO ARE SO HARD TO SEE THE UTTER OBVIOUS WITHIN A SHORT SENTENCE:

IS IT CHRISTIAN TO CALL THE BIBLE LONG-WINDED, LET ALONE ONE OF PAUL’S LETTERS, AND TO IMPLY THAT WRITTEN WORKS WHICH ARE LONG SHOULD BE INSULTED RATHER THAN PRAISED IF THEY SAY ANYTHING GOOD AND WHOSE POINT FOR BEING WRITTEN IS TO CEASE BICKERING AND ARGUMENT? IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG TO CALL SUCH A WORK “ARGUING AND BICKERING” ITSELF? But that’s not insulting to you huh Mr. “I Despise My Brothers”? It’s “merely talking”.

Well by that crazed judgment, we Calvinists too, are “just talking”.

Goodbye Mr. Arbitrarily Defend Other Arminians For the Sake of Showing Your Strong Hatred for Those Who Teach That God’s Love is Free and that God’s Eternal Peace Made Free by the EXTREME LONG RIGHTEOUS SUFFERING OF GOD’S ONE AND ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST TO THE POINT OF BEING STRIPPED NAKED, NAILED TO A CROSS, SPEARED AND SHEDDING HIS HOLY BLOOD, AND DYING ON A LOWLY CROSS, ALL THAT IN PUBLIC, NEITHER CAN BE EARNED BY THE “FILTHY RAGS” FROM “DESPERATELY WICKED” MAN.

TAKE THAT TO HEART IF YOU HAVE ONE: GOD IS LOVE, NOT “GOD IS HATE” MR. AND MISSES “IT’S OKAY FOR US TO HATE BECAUSE WE MERELY JUST TALKED BY SAYING IT CAME FROM GOD.”

You are taking God’s place as is anyone, when you make a claim without evidence, especially on something that has to do with God’s character and salvation, which you despite your pretense, show that you care more about YOUR VERSION OF “LOVE”, AND YOUR VERSION OF “SALVATION” being made known, which you outright say is “despising” others, rather than loving your brother, and obeying the second greatest law: LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

I hope this wasn’t “just talking” to you Mr. Attack the Calvinist for No Logical Evident Reason, but Defend the Attackers Who Argue and Insult and Express Evil Hatred for Christians Which They WITHOUT EVIDENCE Claim Is Righteous Hatred That Comes from God WHO IS LOVE.See More
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And you give an Amen to your husband with an exclamation mark because…? What’s your evidence Dawn? Let’s look[:]

“I do not agree.”

Oh, because YOU don’t agree, because YOU feel it is wrong then it should not be done, REGARDLESS OF MY “LONG… WINDED” explanation as you to why you are wrong, you argue and bicker (no surprise you do that if your husband claimed Loyd’s comment was “just talking” and really made no point though and when he just ignored whatever good things I said and brushed off MY POINT FROM THE BIBLE WHICH SAUS NOT ARGUE OVER DISPUTABLE THINGS, DAWN). Does the Bible say, “Dawn and Curtis are God, do as they feel and do as they command?” NO. But since you have ignored God word which says not to argue about disputable matters, and I pointed out why it says that: I have replied again to you about this subject. What Dawn, was so hard to see about my “long winded” (rant), where I pointed out the Bible says not to ARGUE over disputable matters and TO CARE MORE ABOUT PEACE AND JOY IN THE SPIRIT? IN OTHER WORDS, TO SIMPLY OBEY GOD IN WHAT YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD DO? Where is the “Amen Daniel!” to that Dawn? Instead you obsess on your dogma and husband who cares so little for it, can hardly be bothered to make a grammatically correct sentence. And why not if this is life and death and you “love truth and hate lies” as you imply? If God strongly to the point of sending people to Hell FOR ALL ETERNITY (and STILL LOVE THEM, NOT HATES THEM, YOU ARBITRARY ARGUMENT ARMINIANS – AGAIN: YOUR OWN TEACHING IS THAT GOD LOVES THOSE HE SENDS TO HELL, SO WHY DO YOU SAY “AMEN CURTIS!” TO HATING THEM, AND NOT EVEN GIVE A LITTLE EVIDENCE FOR WHY YOU ARE RIGHT TO HATE EVEN ONE PERSON?) – IF GOD WILL SEND PEOPLE TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, SHOULDN’T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CARE TO MAKE A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT SENTENCE WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING YOU PUT IN CAPS AND SHOUT ABOUT, AS YOU DID HERE, WITH MULTIPLE QUESTION MARKS:

“Prophetic Worship??? What the!?! Prophetic Worship??? Some one help me out here, PLEASE!!! Prophetic Worship??? SMH Um, could SOMEONE PLEASE SCHOOL ME on Prophetic Worship and where we see it in the bible…or is it simply yet ANOTHER WAY to make merchandise out of Gods people as “they” SELL their music. Prophetic Worship…biblical???”

And here:

“SELF will NOT accept such truth wife…Freely ye have received, freely give is IGNORED all for the sake of S-E-L-F. After all, we are all sinners and Christ died for our sins and where there is no more remembrance of sin, we sinners can live anyway we so desire because Jesus loves us JUST THE WAY WE ARE!!! ALL LIES IN HYPOCRISIES!!!”

Would you like to go to an English teacher to confirm your sentences here are corrupt? Example, it’s “Lies in hypocrisy” not “hypocrisies”. Though that part is minor, your errors pile up and form rants over all. Instead of yelling crazily how about being calm so you can think more clearly which you obviously have a problem with, so great that it slipped right past you and your wife that you are misleading, that it is against the second greatest law to hate anyone, let alone that you treat God carelessly and are using him as a tool to promote your own gospel.

And Dawn, you used an evil tactic here:

“Selling teachings and prophecies is making merchandise of God’s people, period.”

Did I say “merchandise” anywhere? Did I say “sell crosses”? And where does the Bible say it would be wrong to sell crosses anyways? Christ taught not to turn the church into a store and to give what God gave to you for free, free yourself, and in context, he means the religious wisdom on what his word means and the gospel freely, not just whatever free gift he has given you. If we gave away whatever God gave to us for free, there would be nothing to sell since everything belongs to God and he lets us borrow it all, and you would be sinning yourself (and are in a way since you say it is wrong) by selling and buying anything, since, again, it all belongs to God (and is lent to us freely, OF GOD’S OWN FREE WILL). Or are you serious when you teach directly or indirectly that GOD IS UNDER THE WILL OF MAN? Even when you read that Christ said, and under extreme pain that would break any mere human: “But not my will, yours be done”?

I will not Dawn repeat the reasons, the clear reasons I gave for you saying that selling teachings and prophecies is wrong as you misleadingly say by oversimplying if with a sentence like that, another mislead, because you’re giving the impression that I said, “Sell the Bible and prophecies God gave you without letting anyone know what it was he said”, WHEN I SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE DAWN AND WHICH YOU JUST INSULTINGLY IGNORED BY STUBBORN REPEATING YOURSELF. How would you like it Dawn and Curtis if I said to you, “God is not love and there is no point in being loving like God” and you explain a large amount (long winded remember?) of good teachings to me from the Bible as to why God is love and why you should be loving, and I ignore it all and reply again with:

“No…! wroNG G0d is NOT love!!! and there’s no point in loving him AND JUST LOVING EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS!!!! which you said and believe in do you not?????????!!!!! Well but oh so wait you ChristianS so called!!! LIES IN HYPOCRIES IF THAT’S TRUE THEN I’M LOVING ME SOME SIN, AH HAH CHRITIANS CONTRADICT AGAIN! AMEN TO ATHEIST HUSBAND AND ALL MY ATHEIST FRIENDS! AND I LOVE DESPISING YOU CHRISTIANS!”

Wouldn’t that be an extremely disgusting response and something to truly despise to a great effort in love, love with patience? Yet you treated me the same way, showing contempt and “despising” for it, virtually saying that I am worthless, that any good I said is worthless, merely because, I’m a Calvinist, the same kind of reasoning racists use. Do you know what bigotry is or not care Mr. and Mrs. We Hate Christians Who Oppose Our Feelings In the Name of God?

“period.”

Dawn, “period” is not evidence, the force of your emotion is not evidence, your feelings are not evidence, period. The evidence for that claim?: Read the Bible, it implies that God’s word is to be used as evidence, not “I Dawn with confidence have said, “This is so, amen and period.” Or “If 5 billion Arminians say “Amen” then it is so.” That is false religion and a hatred for truth.

“In other words, do not charge people for any inspirational music, teachings, wisdom, prophecies that you receive from God. Simple.”

I told you before this response WHY IT WAS NOT SIMPLE DAWN. So all you are doing is hatefully repeating. You don’t argue a point by saying, “Simple ur wrong, period” is what you are basically doing. Again, how would you like it if I responded to your statements with the same type of response?

To your “you’re wrong, period. Simple”. With the exact same statement? As I say to non-Christians when they insult me for preaching, “Use your own insult against yourself, use your own argument against yourself to see if it is evidence of anything, if it makes you right, and if I can say the same to you would that make me right too?”

And you two haters of Christians who disagree with you don’t know that obvious point either? That mere claims don’t make you right? That mere insults don’t make you right?

“And one more thing – Curtis and I do not agree with the doctrine of John Calvin.”

Well that was really hard to figure out because I’m just a dumb Calvinist who doesn’t understand anything and just “slanders”. Curtis admitting that he is evil and you, by agreeing to “despise Calvinists” in the name of God was just not a big enough hint for this dumb Calvinist to know that you hate John Calvin and his teachings. Me am is just am dumb person. Again, do you know what bigotry is?
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‎@Dawn Reinas “In researching that doctrine and studying the scriptures, that doctrine is found wanting.”

Like I said, is your mere claim/s evidence of anything?

If I say that same sentence back to you would that make me right? If I said, as …Arminians love to do as a defense of their honesty and wisdom: “I’ve read the Bible 100 times in a row straight Curtis and Dawn”, and or “I’ve studied the Bible and researched it thoroughly” would that make me right? Would it make the atheists right who also use such arguments to justify their hatred of the Bible? But yet you argue no differently than an atheist.

I’ll say it again: The Bible says not to argue over disputable matters but to take joy in doing what everyone knows to be right in God’s Spirit. So how about listening to your Arminian brother Lord at least, and ceasing arguing and bickering, and preaching “the gospel”? How about that gospel of eternal life, the eternal life that both Christ and John said is in those who love their brothers and enemies? Didn’t I put a link, and don’t I always, on my profile as to how to get that eternal life? So what is your excuse?
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‎@Curtis Reinas “It’s called slander wife…something The Lord DESPISES ALSO.”

Then why don’t you stop slandering me Curtis by accusing me of slander WITHOUT EVIDENCE? Did you too MAGICALLY forget that the Bible requires that YOU HAVE EVIDEN…CE FOR AN ACCUSATION AGAINST A BROTHER, and not only that: TO CORRECT IN PRIVATE?

Isn’t that amazing Mr. and Misses We Despite Calvinists, We Hate Them in God’s Name and Love His Hatred of Calvinists, that you can just do whatever you want when it comes to attacking a Calvinist, but when it’s an Arminian: give them a free ticket and encourage their HATE.

“What Daniel has written is typical for John Calvin followers.”

And what you say is typical of Arminians. What about that Curtis? Does making such a statement help anyone? What was the point? NONE, but just to say, “The group of people do this evil thing always”. Again: do you know what bigotry is? There are online dictionaries if you didn’t know.

“The very SAME Satanic spirit that over took John Calvin ALSO overtakes his followers.”

Accusations without evidence are what is Satanic, and as I said, as Jesus taught.

“Since “they” can’t get us to conform to their damnable heresies and join their schism,”

Another sign of a person who is lying is when they pile on accusations like you are doing, without evidence. Once again Curtis The Despiser of Calvinists in God’s Name: If I make accusations without evidence and with the force of my emotions too, does that make me right? Then you must be wrong.

“they do their BEST to categorize us into a schism (Armenian)”

Now you’re ranting. What is necessary about you saying that part and with BEST capitalized? Did that make any logical sense to capitalize BEST? As I said: you’re not logical to the point where even your sentence structure is corrupt.

“which adamantly opposes Calvinism.”

DOES using A “big word” as some would call it (many these days actually), does using a fancy descriptive word make you “righter” or more right Curtis? Dawn? Well then can I try that tactic, typical of non Christians and false Christians? Can I say, “God absolutely adamantly no way never in no way extremely will not, most genuinely, truly honestly, truly truly truly truly etc., in no way imaginable, will he approve of SELLING HIS LOVE AS IF IT WERE MERCHANDISE, HIS RELIGIOUS WORKS, HIS INSPIRATION, IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY, OR MAN’S WORKS AND SO CALLED “GOOD DEEDS”.

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‎@Curtis Reinas “It’s Satan’s OLDEST trick.”

What did I, Daniel, say which you call Satan’s OLDEST trick Mr. Arbitrary Capitalization of Words Who Uses the OLD trick of broadsiding?

You do know what broadsiding is don’t you?: It’s when you ma…ke an accusation and don’t SPECIFY WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT YOU CLAIM IS WRONG. And as I said, I can do the same to you and simply say what you are saying back, which is to accuse WITHOUT EVIDENCE, which is one of Satan’s oldest tricks, for example, Satan accusing Job of being evil without evidence. You have read Job haven’t you? Or was Job too long-winded for you? I’m sure you’ve memorized the accusations of Job’s friends though… they sure weren’t long winded were they, no: they were, “just talking”.

“Look at Daniels comment how he falsely accuses me.”

Yes: if you look that will make Curtis right. Everyone: just look at what Dawn and Curtis say. ? Do you teach your children to argue like this or did you pick up this type of arguing and bickering from kids? “Just look at what you said, ur evil and you’re wrong, it’s all Satanic, period and simple. God said so. Amen!”

That’s mature? That’s “Christian”? NO.

“Look at his anti-Christ rants,”

Anti-Christain because you said so, and whatever you append, “I’m a true Christian and love God and hate what he hates and love what he loves. So, you’re right about whatever you say” too, means your right. What a trick! Hey everyone, “I’m Daniel: I’m honest and don’t lie…” Well then I must be honest and must not lie right, because I said so. What a trick you want me and the world to believe, but of course it wouldn’t apply to a Calvinist, because, well, they’re Calvinists! And and, AND: Calvinists use old tricks and are bad and Satanic and schismatics and devise and sinners and liars and hate truth! Just look! See? Do you see? If you DON’Tt see UR blind!!!!”

Sorry Curtis. you’re not dragging me down to Satan’s level, I won’t argue without evidence like you and demand that people just have faith in my mere claims and feelings like non-Christians are in the habit of doing.

“slander and vain attempt to condemn me by trying to make me “‘lend my mind'”

Wow you can use eloquent phrases, well then you must be the winner, the right one, the good Christian. Did you know, and I mean no insult by this, that a trait of the mental disorder “narcissism” is to believe and act as if using eloquent phrases and “high” words is what matters more than saying what is true and that using such language makes you automatically wise in whatever subject it is you are talking about and the automatic winner of any argument against someone who does not use such speech? Did you know that making claims without evidence or a concern for evidence (but not necessarily always going so) is also a sign of narcissism? It’s also a sign of psychopathy, a person with no concern for morality, who feels no guilt when they do wrong, which is similar to the way a narcissist is, the difference being that narcissists show loyalty to others they consider special, for however long they consider it. Narcissists will also use arbitrary arguments to fend people off, meaning, any argument, with such fervor, they often don’t see when they are contradicting themselves by such arguments, and when they do, hope you won’t notice, and if you do notice, will come up with another argument till they can no longer tolerate your disagreement and lack of thankfulness for whatever it is they say to you.See More
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‎@Curtis Reinas

Yous said, “to the most vile of slanderous lies, ‘that I’m not saved’.”

What a surprise: you use the same language as atheists stalkers who harass me to no end. But God says to rejoice when the world hates and persecutes you, …RIGHT ARMINIAN MAJORITY? You didn’t forget, Curtis and Dawn, all you Arminians, that most if not all CATHOLICS are also Arminians whether they say it or not, didn’t you? You did know that ALL CATHOLICS AGREE THAT BY EITHER OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S LAW OR GOOD DEEDS (and it can’t be or since good deeds require obedience to the law, just so you who are confused know) – you did know that about Catholics right? And the point is: Catholics are not just the majority religious group, but are so widespread and numerous, it is no stretch to count them as part of “the world” when the Bible speaks of non-Christians. There is no way around that. On top of that, even non-Christians, even pagans agree that you can earn your way to Heaven if it exists. There are twisted versions of Calvinists so to speak though, pagan versions, who say that God would only let those into Heaven who haven’t committed big sins, twisted because they leave out that God HAS MERCY, Curtis, on sinners, and saves them through is son, and doesn’t just IGNORE those who are not good and just happen to do good works THROUGH THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE GOODNESS IN THEM CURTIS, AS YOU CONVENIENTLY JUST HAPPENED TO MAGICALLY FORGET IS APART OF ARMINIAN DOCTRINE, despite you pretending that you’re only good when Christ does good through you. That’s NOT what you believe is it Curtis? That’s not what you Arminians believe. Don’t you believe THAT GOD SAVES THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE GOODNESS IN THEM? Don’t you believe that Curtis, despite you trying to give a false impression on others that you are humble and that God just arbitrarily chose you one day, apart from predestining you? Don’t you believe that despite you trying to seem as if you are the “true Calvinist”, the REAL humble one who needed Christ’s help?

Well you’re not the real Calvnist Curtis; you believe that you already had goodness in you and that that is why you “chose” God’s supposed way of salvation and humility, and that is a heresy, it is a heresy beacuse from the same book of Psalms you quote below, it says TWICE, IN MORE THAN ONE WAY, MORE THAN TWICE that MAN IS NOT GOOD, with the implication from that man only comes anything close to good when God saves them and has worked on them for a long time.

Christ even said that the disciples had no goodness apart from Him, meaning his working through them, as you yourself hypocritically appear to have implied (at least to me it appears that way) was true for you with your vague “works” comment. Or are you NOT an Amrinian Curtis, and you believe that you were 100% evil, and that Christ needed to change your heart and mind to ask God for forgiveness and trust that his son FREELY OF HIS OWN WILL SUFFER AND DIE FOR ALL YOUR SINS, EVERY SINGLE ONE PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE SECURING FOR YOU ETERNAL PEACE, NOT TEMPORARY – to do that “WORK” Curtis? Or “giving money to religious causes” and “helping people across the street”? Which one Curtis? It can’t be both, since the Bible does not teach it is God’s work plus mans. So what “work” were you talking about Christ doing through you, Curtis?See More
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‎@Curtis Reinas

And, Curtis: Did I merely say as you falsely implied, and so slandered me by doing – did I say: “You’re not saved.” with a period at the end? Did I do as Dawn did, by saying, “Simple” or “period”? at the end? Why did you end …it with a period then Curtis?

YOU slandered me with that punctuation mark called a period, and by ignoring whatever specific points I made and make and by broadsiding me with your colorful (but cliche) speech. Deception (and using colorful language as a distraction and to make it appear as if you are wise in morality and doing what is right) is Satan’s OLDEST trick Curtis:

“Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said to the woman, “[Is it] so that God has said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? … You shall not surely die: for God knows that in the day you eat of it, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as God, knowing good and evil.”

Very cunning of the serpent that Satan took advantage of wasn’t it Arminians: to say “SURELY” and mix it up with eloquent colorful speech, and no doubt with a tone of regal confidence. You can pick that up can’t you, being that you’re good at doing it yourselves, when you make a good effort at times. Can’t you just smell the confidence (arrogance more specifically), with Satan using a rhetorical question: ” “[Is it] so that God has said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” (one of his OLDEST tricks, so you should know better than to use them, because it’s been there on display in God’s word copied all over the world for you to see and not forget), rhetoric mixed with, “surely” and “for” … “for GOD KNOWS” and “your eyes shall be opened if you just look, if you just look at the evil I accuse Daniel and John Calvin of doing and all Calvinists, and I would know Eve, because I listened to God and you didn’t study carefully enough like me (now submit to me Eve and all mankind, because my will is above God’s).”

“This only PROVES ONE thing…I AM saved!”

Well of course: Because you said Calvinists try their “BEST” to show a person is not saved and that’s Satan’s OLDEST trick, then it’s “PROOF” Curtis (just you?) is saved”!”

Well Curtis and Dawn and many of you Arminians sure haven’t tried their best or at least have not fervently tried, or at least tried with strong effort to prove Calvinists are not saved, no… you haven’t at all, so, using your logic, uh, I must NOT be saved? Because… you Arminians… don’t try, your “BEST”??? HUH? And you think you’re a mentally sound Curtis? That reminds me, another thing non-Christians often (not always) fail to do to check to see if they are speaking the truth is to reverse their logic. It’s a little different then simply testing an argument against yourself, the difference is that you test to see if your claim is true in reverse, if saying, “That if it is best to do this, then is it worse to do this”.See More
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‎@Curtis Reinas “Not by my own WORKS by by Christ Who WORKS IN and THROUGH me!”

No, that is not God’s word you who copy the serpent, God said, through his servant Paul, Paul who often explained why salvation is not by works:

“For God has not …given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of LOVE and of a SOUND MIND. THEREFORE you should not be ashamed of the TESTIMONY of our Lord [WHICH CURTIS AND DAWN NOT SURPRISING TO ME DO NOT QUOTE IN THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST SALVATION BY GRACE], nor of me His PRISONER. But be partaker of the afflictions of the GOSPEL [which is not of works done through man Curtis] according to the power of God, who HAS SAVED [as in saved from Hell and a life of nonstop living to fulfill our own will above God’s when we feel like it, and not “TEMPORARY salvation”] saved [past tense saved Curtis, not “saving” as Arminians imply, and which Catholic teach] us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE [grace means “unearned love”] which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE the eternal times not [God decided to save you temporarily after Christ did “works” through you].

And Paul made it even clearer who is saved and why:

“‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, BUT ON GOD’S MERCY [not “plus Christ’s work through Curtis” not “plus Christ’s good deeds through man”]. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: ‘I raised you up for this very purpose: THAT I COULD DISPLAY MY POWER IN YOU AND THAT MY NAME COULD BE PROCLAIMED IN ALL THE EARTH.’ Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden

NOT: Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden if man wills to accept Christ doing good deeds through him man shall be saved, and especially if he says “surely” or “simply” or “period” or “amen” or “this is proof I’m saved by God!” which is proof in and of itself to say and proclaim.”

It doesn’t say that or imply it anywhere Curtis, instead you have the entire Old Testament and many parables and plain speech verses showing that no attempt BY MAN, PERIOD, CURTIS AND DAWN, PERIOD, NO ATTEMPT BY MAN PERIOD to earn God’s love, forgiveness and salvation is “good” in God’s eyes, and that Christ is THE SAVIOR AND THAT GOD WILL NOT SHARE HIS GLORY WITH ANOTHER, not “Salvation by Christ PLUS through Christ’s deeds through man, man who is equally King with God over his destiny or who is above God, and who can even change the destiny of God by his will.”

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‎@Curtis Reinas

GOD: “One of you will say to me: ‘Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will? But who are you, O man, to talk back [WITH ANGER] towards God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me… like this?’ [QUESTIONING THE WILL AND WISDOM OF THE ONE AND ONLY GOD WHO MADE IT?] Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?”

Yes or no Curtis? Yes or no Dawn? Does that get an Amen? When God asks a rhetorical question, can you give him an “Amen!” Which of you will bless God now first? Or would you like to join each other in Hell?

So you taught a false gospel and put words in God’s mouth, mixing it with the truth (and do I really need to point out that that is “deceiving”?). Again Paul teaches, and much more clearly, that it is by God’s will, not as you implied (or tried to imply) with your “Christ doing good works (of the Law of Moses Curtis, which you conveniently were silent on and so making the word “works” vague who are ignorant and don’t know better as to the multiple meanings of works), GOOD DEEDS YOU MEANT, not merely as you left open to what you possibly meant in your vagueness: Christ’s work of obedience to God APART from man, suffering, blood shed and having been hung on a cross and executed there for sins. NOT: Christ getting Curtis to help an old lady across a street, and love his wife, and donate some money to church. NO: GOD’S LOVE, GOD’S RELIGIOUS WORKS, NOT GOD’S OR CHRIST’S, ARE FOR SALE, THEY ARE NOT MERCHANDISE, AS YOU SAID. You “care” so much for righteousness you forget the greatest righteousness which you make a cheap thing, despite your implying that mans deeds, which you CONVENIENTLY MERELY CLAIM come from Christ. Yes Curtis, yes Arminians, the Bible does say that Christ works through THOSE HE HAS SAVED, not “CHRIST IS SAVING THOSE HE SAVED BY DOING GOOD WORKS THROUGH THEM FROM HELPING PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET TO YOUR PRECIOUS WORK AT YOUR JOB TO RAISING YOUR CHILDREN”, a statement which is obvious nonsense. YOU ARE SAVED BY CHRIST’S WORK FROM HIS OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW OF MOSES TO HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, NOT “PLUS CHRIST’S WORK THROUGH CURTIS”, NOT “PLUS CHRIST’S WORK THROUGH DAWN … And it’s going to be an ongoing work till Curtis and Dawn decide they’ve become bored of God’s works and decide one day they’d rather be in Hell, because don’t you know, that’s what true Christians want as an option, is the option to go to Hell, that’s “love” for God, you Calvinists whom we despise in God’s name, oh you slanderous Satanic CALVINISTS!”

So Curtis and Dawn, because man’s will is “KING” as you put mentally in caps, since it is “SOVEREIGN” against God’s will, well then man’s “good deeds” just must be accepted by God, and because man (or at least those who agree with narcissists) – man is just so good, and because, because you said so! Because you have willed it with the force of your will and adamantly simply surely with a period and a man backed it up with fervor and claims of being true Christians (not like those damned legalistic Pharisees who by their trying to obey the Law of Moses or as the lazier ones thought: just be reading God’s word and mouthing it), that you are good. You said it, you will ed it, therefore it must be so, surely simply period with and Amen and calling Calvinists Satanic. Have I missed something? No wait: let me guess: I took you out of context because I didn’t quote you word for word, and not quoting word for word is Satanic, it’s a sin! Simple! PERIOD! Amen! SURELY! IT’S WHAT GOD SAID DID HE NOT EVE? TRUST ME EVE!

Like the serpent wants to you believe: God really didn’t mean what he said when he implied that his will takes supremacy Eve, he really didn’t mean, tsk tsk: You’re not good enough, you are good enough Eve, your will is equal and even above God’s will: no go eat that fruit, go do this good deed of reaching for that fruit and eating it, and you’ll have eternal life, and your will so supreme Eve (I really did not mean to delay slipping this in after your good work for eternal life Eve), your will is SO supreme, surely truly simply period: That if you will to get rid of your eternal life, to choose with that special great high will of yours that must not be violated by God (or he’d be a cosmic rapist!)… if you CHOOSE to Eve… watch for it, pay attention to what I say Eve: YOU CAN MAKE YOUR ETERNAL LIFE TEMPORARY! That’s right: You can will it away! For as I said: You shall be like God and have the power to do anything with the knowledge in that fruit, over LIFE AND DEATH! That was the secret Eve! God didn’t want you to know that eternal life is in your hands and that God was just a lower partner, that you could get rid of him whenever you wanted!See More
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You said, Curtis,

“Praise The Lord ALMIGHTY for exposing the deceitful workers of iniquity and for CONFIRMING His Holy Word!

Psalm 139:17-24

How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

ONLY for the discerning AND The Faithful!”

And just happened to forget Curtis, you just happened to forget that God also said:

and you also count as a man Curtis and so you are also not to trust in yourself,

“Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear Jehovah and depart from evil.” – Proverbs 3:5-7;
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“He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom shall be delivered.” – Proverbs 28:26;

“Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe.” – Proverbs 29:25;

“This is what Jehovah says: ‘Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from Jehovah.” – Jeremiah 17:5.

And the God you call “long-winded” also said:

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory… And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, “Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD: For I was an hungry, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you drink? When saw we saw a stranger, and took you in, or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, “Verily I say to you: So far as you have done it to one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was hungry, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I WAS A STRANGER, and you did not take me in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry, thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? [FOR DID YOU NOT DO GOOD WORKS THROUGH US? DID WE NOT REFRAIN FROM SELLING RELIGIOUS WORKS THAT YOU INSPIRED US WITH? DID WE NOT HATE OUR ENEMIES AND ANGRILY WITH SHOUTING AND CAPITAL LETTERS DRIVE THE MONEY CHANGERS OUT OF YOUR TEMPLE?! DID WE NOT SHOOT AT THE ANTI-CHRIST’S HEAD AND GIVE HIM A MORTAL WOUND? DID NOT SATAN SHOW HIS HATRED FOR US BY HEALING THAT EVIL MAN AND EXECUTING US FOR ATTACKING US, AND WE BECOMING MARTYR’S IN YOUR NAME? AMEN? Are we not shouting and pleading now for a second chance from you oh God who is merciful and loving and does the will of man over your own when we repent? Surely you are not a tyrant or cosmic rapist who forces man to go where he does not want to go! Oh you, who calls yourself ‘God’L SURELY God has not become a cosmic rapist as the Arminian Hank Hanegraaff has warned is no God, but would be of Satan! Like those workers of iniquity who lie in Satan’s name to persecute us to Hell, those 100% evil Calvinists who do no good worth mentioning, but only ignoring completely even when they are thirsty, hungry, naked, and strange and weird, and BORING! They have no Spirit in them, no fervor! No passion, they are DEAD! You believe us right God? Because if you don’t, well you know what that makes you right? And you DON’T want to be like that, don’t you see? Just look again and compare our works to the Calvinists, you’ll see God we are right, so, so now lift us into the clouds with you okay? God? Are you listening to our will and our heart? Why do you look so angry God? Why so negative towards us in appearance?] Then shall he answer them, saying, [AS YOU CURTIS AND DAWN AND ALL ARMINIANS SOMETIMES SAY TO JUSTIFY YOUR HATE AND IGNORE MY COMMANDS: I HATE MY ENEMIES! But now you want my mercy and accuse me of evil if I will not give it with your rhetoric and “surelys”!? YOU HYPOCRITES!] Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these [Calvinists and others whom you’ve called “enemies of God” using rhetoric and my own holy word which you had no right to speak since you did not truly care about me, WHO WERE YOUR ENEMIES TO WHOM YOU HATED], you helped not to me [either]. [BUT GOD WAIT! IT’S ME CURTIS, WHO WAS KIND TO DAWN AND HIS BRETHREN AT CHURCH, WAIT! LISTEN! I THOUGHT YOU SAID “HATE YOUR ENEMIES!”] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal [that eternal REST APART FROM WORKS, THAT ETERNAL SABBATH ON WHICH EVEN GOD RESTED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR US, AND NOT because of man’s will or their works or supposed works in them from Christ, but Christ’s and suffering unto death and resurrection and the work of him “DRAWING” them to God, the Shepherd who does NOT LOSE HIS SHEEP].

Yes Curtis: keep ignoring what the Bible says about salvation, works and Hell, forget what Christ said is the second greatest commandment and take a passage out of context to justify doing so, so that Curtis and Dawn are free to have their way by hating whom they will. For, your will Curtis and Dawn be done, your heart’s desire, not Calvinists, and definitely not God’s, period.

Now after having said all that, and after more minutes had gone by, I decided to make one last comment on that thread, and let Curtis and others know that the Bible commands me not to engage in arguments of ignorance and that to keep listening to them (from the same person at least) will corrupt you. And when I tried to post it, guess what happened. Look for yourself, as Curtis might say:

Maybe Curtis-Who-Despises-Calvinists will magically forget why he removed me from his friends list too. So much for “let us reason”, long-suffering and not arguing, Arminians.

Most Atheists Are Narcissists, and Liars

I got into an argument with a closet atheists today, who for some reason unknown to me was linked to a fundamentalist Christian who successfully fought of some demons. She claimed that these were absolutely not the last days (mentioned by the Bible), and when I pointed out how obvious it was, she pointed out a single thing out a many points, and that was to say, “I’m not remotely interested” (in checking out my posts which showed the Bible was fully backed by reliable evidence for it being God’s word), and no mention of anything I said wrong in my points, but then she left a second comment, “Mercury is absolutely NOT released from coal combustion.” After pointing out that she proved one of my points, which was that the world shows no interest in the Bible / Christianity despite seeing it is good or no worse than any other religion (she proved it by saying she was absolutely not interested in reading the evidences) I showed her one of overwhelming evidence that her second absolute claim was wrong (her claim that mercury was “NOT” (yes she used caps) released from coal. And this is common knowledge by the way, so clearly she was so remotely disinterested in the truth, that she goes in the opposite direction and instead assumes and lies. Why if she saw that I was an obvious researcher, or person who paid careful attention to detail, would she think I would not have evidence of the mercury / coal claim? Based on what little she said, it was obvious that she was a narcissist, which is an ultra-self centered person who has no genuine concern for the truth, but taking advantage of others for fun and to be the center of attention, rather than make the truth the center of attention.

I also pointed out to this moron, that it was ironic that atheists were considered (by atheists and anti-Christians) to be the champions of saving the planet while Christians are regarded as the destroyers, and yet she got a basic pollution fact wrong, one that was very important. I also let her know that that also proved my point about atheists being a very murderous group with low regard for life, in other words her lack of concern for facts about pollution was evidence of her lack of concern for the health of others.

It seems that most atheists are narcissists from my experience, and this is not surprising to me and shouldn’t be to any theist, because by denying that God exists or any God-like being and therefore universal morality and truth, they then play king of their life themselves and that includes king of truth and morality and their heart, and so act as if they are God, the being that is to have perfect love and worship because of his goodness.

They are all destructive mimics and parasites filled with hate and resentment. It is because of this that I believe atheists should be imprisoned and not allowed to be leaders of any kind and should not be trusted for any job except ones of no consequence.

Bombshell: Barack Obama exposed as CIA creation

Post link: http://schemers.tk

From infowars.com, edited by Daniel Knight:


From 1983-84, Barack Obama worked
as Editor at Business International Corporation,
a known CIA front.

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen is scheduled to appear live on the Alex Jones Show tomorrow 9/19/1 P.M. EST/ 12 P.M. C.S.T., to reveal his groundbreaking series on Barack Obama’s true origins. Madsen will share the bombshell revelations and extensive information from the following three articles– and even more that has not yet been revealed. Tell your friends, family and contacts to tune in and learn the truth. Also visit the Wayne Madsen Report for further research and other exclusive reports.

The Story of Obama: All in The Company

PREFACE

by Alex Jones & Aaron Dykes
8/18/2010

Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let’s face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely. My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father — my grandfather — was a cook, a domestic servant to the British. But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that shone as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before. – Barack Obama, 2004 Democratic National Convention Keynote Address

Far from being the mere ‘son of a goat herder’ (as he deceptively paraded during and even before his candidacy), strong evidence has emerged that President Barack Obama is the product of the intelligence community. Investigative reporter and former NSA employee Wayne Madsen has put together an extensive three-part (and growing) series with conclusive proof and documentation that Barack Obama Sr., Stanley Ann Dunham, Lolo Soetoro and President Barack Obama himself all hold deep ties to the CIA and larger intelligence community. And that’s just the beginning.

After his election, President Obama quickly moved to seal off his records via an executive order. Now, after two years of hints and clues, there is substantial information to demonstrate that what Obama has omitted is that his rare rise to power can only be explained by his intelligence roots. However, this is more than the story of one man or his family. There is a long-term strategic plan to recruit promising candidates into intelligence and steer these individuals and their families into positions of influence and power. Consider that it is now declassified former British Prime Minister Tony Blair was recruited into MI5 before becoming a labour leader, or that George H. W. Bush not only became CIA director in 1976 but had a deeper past in the organization. While we may never know many pertinent details about these matters, one thing that is certain is that the American people have never been told the truth about who holds the real power, nor who this president– and likely many others– really is. Thus, we urge everyone to read Wayne Madsen’s deep report and seek the truth for yourself.

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The Story of Obama: All in The Company (In Three Parts)

by Wayne Madsen
8/18/2010

PART 1: The Story of Obama: All in The Company (Part I)

Continued here.

You can also listen to Alex’s interview with Madsen on his findings about Obama’s history with the CIA here. Here is Alex’s summary of the podcast:

Thursday 8-19-10 – Alex talks with investigative journalist Wayne Madsen. In a recent articles, Madsen has provided bombshell revelations and extensive information about Barack Obama’s CIA origins. During the show today, Wayne will reveal additional information. See Bombshell: Barack Obama conclusively outed as CIA creation by Alex Jones and Aaron Dykes for background on this important story. Alex also welcomes to the show Joel Skousen, a political commentator non-fiction Survivalist author, retreat consultant and is the founder and chief editor of World Affairs Brief, a weekly news analysis service. Mr. Skousen will talk about Chuck Baldwin’s article, Top Secret America: The Rest Of The Story, and the dark side of America’s army and secret police. Alex also covers the latest news and takes your calls.

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31 Reasons Atheism and ”Patience” Are Wrong: My Reply to An Atheist

In response to the 29-year-old female atheist named Patience, who in front of my friends and neighbors said, “People who talk about religion are brainless”, twice, after asking me, “Do you have an opinion on religion” and “are you a hardcore Christian?” and saying at that time, “There is no God”, “Are you afraid of the Devil?” me saying that I wasn’t, and you making mock-scary sounds as if that is simply what Satan does, or as if that is what evil merely is, as if evil didn’t matter, and, “There is no Devil”, and saying and doing all that, despite me obviously not wanting to volunteer the information about what it was that, I am and do, when you asked.

You may have been drunk when you said and did all this, but if you didn’t have that in your heart, it would not have come out. You said that “people who talk about religion are brainless” and you said it twice.

Why you were wrong to judge people as having no intelligence for that reason:

1) To say a person is brainless, when they have a brain and use it well enough to survive, besides being an insult, makes no sense, and can be said to be a brainless comment itself because of that.

2) Another problem with your statement about people who talk about religion being brainless, are that an endless amount of many atheists can be found talking about religion all the time, even among themselves, mainly to mock those who are religious and to show why religion is destructive or illogical, and so you’re calling them brainless too. You can find them doing this especially in question and answer sites like Yahoo Answers, Answerbag, Fluther, and in atheist-controlled forums, or in the encyclopedia “Wikipedia”, especially in their discussion sections on their subject articles. And though they don’t do it all the time, like you, they make a statement about it now and then, but so then you’re calling yourself brainless just for having talked about it yourself. It’s also brainless comment to simply brush off all theists as absolutely useless like you did when atheists are among the least groups in existence, and not suprisingly then, make some of the fewest helpful contributions in the world. In China, where atheists control the majority of the population (which is hardly all atheist), they are known for copying the technology of other (theist-filled) countries. In other words, they are copiers, not innovators. Though sometimes they make improvements, these improvements are made at a severe cost of quality in life of the masses of people they utilize. For example in China, their low-wage workers are so overworked, they can be seen sleeping at the assembly line of their work places, or sleeping in odd places in odd positions, or falling asleep often on the job, or commiting suicide, or people killing others with them before they commit suicide, or get police officers to kill them. The same happens in Japan, and Japan has been having great trouble with illegal Chinese immigrants.

3) Obviously there are facts on religion, not just opinions: but in keeping with your lack of knowledge on the subject of religion, which isn’t suprising if you think merely to mention it is “brainless”, spoke and acted as if there were no such things as having a factual belief about anything having to do with religion, but that speaks against youself since you claim to know they are all illogical and that God doesn’t exist. You implied this when you asked if I had an opinion, as if all there are concerning knowledge on religion is merely opinions. But obviously you can know facts, like that religions exists, that they have certain names and other characterisists, and their history including history of influence on the world, including atheists.

4) How could you ever correct a person if all religion and belief in God or gods was wrong, if you don’t say why? Simply making an insult or saying they are illogical or wrong doesn’t make you right, and if you believe that, then you believe in magic, or that you are God or don’t understand what truth, evidence or reality is, and are contradicting yourself again, because if you believe that your mere word or feelings make you right, then why would that only apply to you and not theists? Why wouldn’t theists be right by what they say and feel? You’ve placed yourself as God above theists for no logical reason and without even realizing it.

5) It’s also obviously wrong, but not obvious to you unless you’ve been living a very self-centered life and not ignoring the every day common things going on around you, or things you could easily learn on your own.

Here are some quick facts you could easily learn from yourself, by going into any common chain bookstore especially, libraries and so on:

6) The Bible originated science. To save you time, you can find it in the book of Judges, and it’s referred to as Gideon’s test. That’s my term for it at least.

7) Being that the Bible originated science, and that Christianity is the world’s most popular religion, is it any surprise that the first group to commit to this method were Christians, and that the first modern scientists were Christians, and that Jews often win prizes for scientific discoveries? A Jewish woman even had come close to discovering the structure of DNA, but some sexist anglo males stole credit from her and she back a footnote in history till recently, but is still mostly obscure. There’s even a book on her.

8) The first modern biologist was a Calvinist Christian named Antony van Leeuwenhoek.

9) Even Darwin had been raised in a Christian environment, and even after he became a doubter or atheist, he implied, intentionally or not, or because of fear of the alternative, that there was a universal good and evil, as opposed to good and evil being whatever an individual wanted it to be. And of course, if there is a universal law, that implies that someone made this law and has let us know what it is, and intends to enforce it (else the Law is pointless to make known as we would go with our will (as we even do partially now, some much more often than others) rather than what we know to be good).

10) Darwin didn’t come up with the theory of evolution on his own, a prominent though now dead Darwinist evolutionist, Loren Eisely, showed evidence that Darwin had stolen credit from (a scientist who was a creationist, and probably a Christian of some sort then, because he was born in Darwin’s era) named Edward Blyth. The only difference is that Darwin removed God from the equation and added that “simple” things (the microscope that Antony invented was still little used during Darwin’s time and Darwin and others who bought into his theory ASSUMED… they assumed everything was governed by simple laws and that there were no ultra small things or highly complex laws that governed the universe) and so made it a “naturalistic” theeory, and not just naturalistic, but as evolution is plagued with today, the problem of oversimplicity. A example of this oversimplicity plague can be found in comments like ones I’ve heard, such as, “There are bones in museums” in other words “Bones that have been found in the ground are proof we evolved from little animals” and is a statement, like so many others evolutionists make, without any evidence. One museum curator who was used for a comment on a show on mystery big cats in Britain, part of a mystery series of shows, was used to make a comment, and he said that when two such cats become isolated on an island, that that is evolution – THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION, and he literally made that simplistic a claim. Evolution involves animals changing over time by mating with ones who survive their environment and the ones surviving more likely because they had more advantageous traits. AND IRONICALLY, Darwinian Evolutionary Theory teaches that INTELLIGENCE IS A FACTOR THAT HIS THEORY WORKS AGAINST! So when you made the brainless comment, you were contradicting the main alternative theory to creationism, which is that brainless is better! But clearly, you even know that brainless is worse! It’s also nonsensical since every animal nearly, has a brain, or some sort of nerve center, and even those that don’t have an intenal programming or clear design (not just a random jumble that is born out of no where or other random jumbles) that helps it to survive and replicate. Eveyone has programming. I once read a book from evolutionists, that said some what that “DNA” was a “program” or rather “programmed”, something like that. I think I know which book the statement is in and wrote it down somewhere on a note. It’s not a rare comment however as evolutionists often say that such and such has a “design” or that DNA is “programmed”. Even Dawkins speculated that there is a “selfish gene”, in other words a part of DNA that instructs creatures to do self-centered things that are hurtful to others, a thing which commands us to compete to come out above another living thing in other words, and more than is needed (to ensure survival, in the same way that many sperm is produced to ensure the survival of at least one which is what evolutionists claim).

11) D.’s Evolutionary Theory can’t explain the human brain’s massive intelligence, not only that, as I’ve written about: animals and even insects have massive intelligence, so great that the best known modern super computers can hardly imitate the speed and complexity of an insect brain.

12) Not even simple living things are simple, like bacteria. If viruses are alive, they would be simplist living things, but even they, until modern times, are hard to replicate, and only certain one are replicated. I mean scientists are just replicating whatever virus they feel like from scratch. Only recently has a bacterium of some sort been replicated, but whether it is “alive” or not, I don’t know. And imagine how hard it must be to replicate a bacterium froms scratch if it is hard to do so with the most simple virus.

13) No one has ever seen life created randomly, as I said in fact 7, and as you can find out for yourself, it takes millions of dollars to try and make some simple living thing at the molecula level (or trillions if you take into account what it took to get to the level of technology and manpower needed to even be able to try to do so at the molecular level) and when two scientists tried, who are famous for having tried, who supposedly replicated the conditions of Earth at the time when life didn’t exist – when they tried, they failed miserably and without intending to do so, showed that besides extremely specific circumstances being needing to exist for life to be created, showed that “their” method was destructive to life. And it’s already been shown, intentionally and not intentionally, that not only would some extremely specific circumstances be needed for life on Earth to exist in it’s own environment, but that the entire universes laws had to be very specific, and the physical environment outside Earth. For example, as you may have heard, the Sun needs to be a specific distance for life to exist on Earth, if too far away, we would be frozen like many other bodies in space, and if too close, we’d be too hot, and as many bodies are, with molten rock everywhere. No or few scientists expect to find life in the solar system except maybe on Mars or Titan. Though I believe life may have been discovered in secret, the point is, all life needed to be created using some specific way and can only live in the natural world in a specific environment, or else they will die soon or right away.

14) There is no evidence for the Big Bang, only evidence against it. There’s no evidence for abiogenesis (the chance creation of life), only evidence against it, there is no evidence for evolution (molecules having the ability to assemble into men let alone any living thing by chance), only evidence against it, no evidence of “no God”, only evidence against that claim, and no evidence that right and wrong are just rules we invented on our own.

15) The evidence that we were created, is that we can see from observation that it’s not possible to create a living thing except through the natural way we already know of. We can’t do it in any other way, like taking some molecules and sticking them together some how, and adding more and more until without hands we’ve assembled a bacterium or baby from the same parts we know they are made of today. The bacterium that was created a few months ago by the way, was not made from the usual things bacterium are made with. Besides that, even if we did replicate a bacterium from scratch from the usual substances that they are made of, does that show that we know how all the programming in its DNA works, why it was assembled in such a way to begin with? No: we’re copying what we already saw in existence. So, how did this information, within DNA, appear? And even if you didn’t know about DNA, you can ask yourself: How did living things that have certain behaviors common to them all come into existence with these behaviors being BORN WITH THEM? For example, did you notice that ducks defend their eggs or babies, but when the babies become adults, they hardly as much will defend another duck? It’s been shown in many experiments, that animals are born with certain behaviors and language. And language is information.

16) Many atheists deny that spiritual things exist, like God, because, “I can see God or spirits”. But that is very ignorant thinking, because there many things which atheist and evolutionist scientists (and creationist ones) have shown exist using INDIRECT evidence, meaning with evidence we can’t directly sense. And that is something you could figure out even without their help, since we all know then when you hit an object, it keeps moving by some unseen force. Today we call that “kinetic energy”. We can even watch other things being hit by other others things and moving, or watching the wind blow against things, and yet we usually can’t see the wind unless its with some other visible gas or filled with dust. And even the wind is moved by kinetic energy, so when we feel wind occuring, but don’t see it, it’s like indirectly observing with our skin or ears, two invisible things happening at once. Another invisible thing, which is definitely spiritual, are laws, moral and natural ones. No one can see the law of conservation of energy directly or the moral law “Don’t lie”. Both are instructions, just neither can be seen except through material representations like these words or energetically represented with sounds, like if someone spoke these words and told you about such laws. So clearly, invisible things do exist.

17) Another thing that many atheists forget or brush off in pride, is that there are many atheists who decided that God does exist after having seen overwhelming indirect evidence. One famous one who was famous for fighting against theism and theistic religions, was Anthony Flew, but to my disgust, even after he realized he was badly wrong, still could not acknowledge that God himself had feelings, in other words, cared about anything. That’s absurd because obviously if God, who is an all knowing being who created a super complex beautiful and ordered universe, created us to have feelings, then surely he knew of them and has them. If he didn’t know about feelings, or saw it was better to not have them, why would he have made them? And especially why program us to desire revenge on people we FEEL have wronged us? Surely there’s a message behind him programming us to have that reaction when we feel someone has broken a moral law against us, like stealing from us, especially something we worked hard for or needed to survive or to keep strong physical pain away. Further, many former theists become atheists because they perceived that God or some god or gods they were worshiping were cruel, and so after that made the illogical action of deluding themselves into believing they don’t exist. It’s illogical because they abandoned their belief for reasons of injustice, not because of a perceived evidence of non-existence of who they were worshiping (and such an illogical action by masses of atheists is one evidence among many, as I’ve shown, that an atheistic mindset is not superior to belief in a superior spiritual being with superior power of control over others.)

18) Religion basically means “a binding to a way of life in which you follow the lead of someone you believe to have a superior quality or fully superior to yourself or superior in all ways”. More basically, or you could say another definition is, “a binding to a way of life.” Do you live your life a certain way and close your mind to other ways of living? Will you only eat vegetables and not things you see can feel pain? Do you repeat the beliefs of atheists whom you believe are wiser than you? For example, do you repeat that, “there is no God” because you heard that a so called scientist whom you consider to be superior to you in math and physics, said that?

19) Many atheists think that if a person is good at a soft science like math or some hard science like biology or physics, that they must then be qualified as experts in religion. But why? What does the religious-spiritual have to do with the physical, or math? At best you can make some analogies, like that 2+2=4 and so it is also simple that God exists, which ironically as you can see isn’t used as evidence that God doesn’t exist. Some mistakenly think that a physicist would know if God existed or not, because they said that God wasn’t needed and that the Big Bang was sufficient. But atheists forget that they have no evidence for their statement. The non-phsycisist atheists merely believe this because they assume a phsycisist by his ability to do something more complicated that they can’t, which they assume is sufficient to know how the universe came into being, is superior to them in knowing then if God was needed. In other words they assume physics knowledge is sufficient for knowing if God exists AND gives them knowledge in all other fields of knowledge, including other sciences. But all they need to do is give more thought with sufficient time to see that such an assumption is wrong: does being an expert in physics make you an expert in ALL AREAS OF PHYSICS? For example, if someone is scooled in basic physics, learns SOMEe higher physics, like spends three years learning about the Big Bang and Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, is that going to make them an expert in archaeology or a sub-field of archeology like Biblical archeology? Or will it give them expertise in an even more specific field of B. Archeology like Israeli-Roman archeology or Egytpian or Babylonian archeology? It would only give you knowledge as far as the physics-related things with archeology go. But that even doesn’t ensure that your knowledge in the physics-related part of archeology will ensure that you are, HONEST about it, because as you have been told about theists, especially Christians, bias is a problem, basically, PRIDE and as is lesser thought about with theists but which can be a twisted form of pride, which is the same with atheists, and that is a desire for revenge at those who’ve hurt your pride.

20) Pride: Pride gets in the way of everyone. It affects police officers, judges, physicists, atheists, theists, everyone. Just having the title “police officer” doesn’t make you God, a god, or anything close to perfectly moral. The same with any title or personal name or a sentence for a name, like “I’m a Perfect Person”. Everyone has their judgment affected by pride. So though some think that an atheist physicist, a “scientist” as some would simply call such a person, would be perfectly moral because, “hey, they’re a scientist, and seek the truth”, they are clearly wrong, clear because it’s often observed that scientists do immoral things, including lie, and commit fraud, out of both pride, and, for:

21) money. Some would say that greed or trying to get money using cheating, or lying or as some would simply call it, “fraud” is also a part of the pride problem, because the person who cheats does so because they think they deserve it or should be satisfied with the money, shouldn’t have to feel pain, like hunger or being left with some inferior chair to sit on at home, but should have a more comfortable chair, and so have the natural or moral right to steal to live better.

22) Another problem with atheism is that, as I mentioned in a way earlier, the problem of morality. Just what is wrong or right, both morally and logically, if there is no universal Truth or Enforcer of Truth? In other words, if there is no God? I say in other words, because one of the definitions of God, is “Truth”, at least so Jesus said, and which the entire Bible implies. If there is no Universal Judge, a Judge above all us judges of right from wrong, then right and wrong is whatever anyone wants it to be. But really, nothing would exist if there was no God, no truth, because without truth, there is no “this exists” or “this doesn’t exist”, there’s no instructions, no statements, no information that ist true or false (a disortion of truth). Truths wouldn’t exist and lies wouldn’t exist, because lies depend on the truth to exist and with God, there would be no universal truth, no univeral laws of nature or morality, and no matter or energy, because all matter and energy are information based, they have informational value, and matter and energy in this universe had a beginning, as even atheists who believe in a single Big Bang believe. If morality doesn’t really exist, or is just whatever a person believes it to be for themselves, then rape and child abuse could be good for that person. In fact some evolutionists, as is recorded on AnswersinGenesis.com, believe that rape is apart of the evolutionary process, in other words is an advantage of survival, as if to say, “it’s good for survival”. And is surviving wrong for atheists? If rape is used to perpetuate atheism, is that good or bad? For an atheist they would surely use it to villify any theist who rapes, but would they do so for an atheist, or as often? Clearly not, as atheists are not known for preaching morality, but rather against morality, especially that of the Bible, even the clearly good “ten commandments” so called.

23) Those who believe that there were simply endless Big Bangs in the past and will always occur (because the universe is something like a closed bubble to them and is what they want others to believe), they have no evidence for ones that occured in the past, it is just wishful thinking that matter and energy have always existed and just go through cycles. Some would like to believe in alternate universes or that others exist and are somehow connected to ours in such a way that we can get to them one day, or can be connected. Another problem with an endless universes theory and other universes that can be connected to them, is that if beings like ourselves existed (and they should have if there were infinite universes in the past), then there would be ones (as we can see from our ability to make great technological progression) who could connect other universes, or even if they couldn’t, who would become virtual gods or like God and have the desire to procreate to no end. But where are these gods or God-like being? And if you may say that my question is evidence that there are no gods or God-like being, you’re missing the logic then, because I mean where are these gods or God-like being or both who have their origin from a Big Bang? The God of the Bible says he always existed and that no other Gods and not even gods (lesser beings similar to him) exist, and there is no evidence that he is a liar or used any of the “prophets” who wrote the books or letters of the Bible as people to tell lies for him. Also, the universe should be filled with gods if there were infinite universes in the past. We should be seeing beings struggling for power all the time or beings in harmony helping us or a mix of both. But instead, at best, people see strange beings acting demonic, or angelic-looking beings like Jospeh Smith, the founder of Mormonism allegedly did, that produce corrupt religion like he did, or demonic-acting beings that produce corrupt religion, or demonic beings that produce corrupt actions in general, or some see angelic-like beings that are helpful or just noticed, and others supposedly see aliens, and many of which if true, act corrupt, like taking people against their will. But none of these beings act like gods, that is, limited beings with very great and near perfect or perfect intelligence greater than most humans (like Tesla, Einstein or king Solomon) and the power to defeat the will of any other gods at times, and who special supernatural abilities, like the ability to give someone fetility or make crops grow or grow well, or attack people with lightning or water, and so on. The Bible only once or twice makes demons out to be like gods, and once calls Satan a god, but in context, it’s only figurative speech, since Satan it always teaches, is under God’s will, in other words can only do whatever God decides to allow. There is no evidence of any pagan gods or some pagan God like the God of the Bible.

24) Many atheists and evolutionists claim that science lets us know any truth from false, but that is a false statement since science is not alive as some seem to think it is, and whenever it’s been pointed out that this tool “Science” has come up with mistakes, the people who endorse science like God correctly say, “we’re still learning” or “people make mistakes but science corrects them soon”, so at first they act like it is perfect and self-aware and able to act on its own, but then admit their error and correctly point out that it relies on flawed people to work. But it’s not just a matter of a logical fallacy like that, but the fallacy that science only improves. But there is no evidence that just science in general gets better and that regardless of man’s flaws, that it does. The evidence is this: atheists, when they admit that there are Christian scientists, or theist scientists, will imply that such people hinder science and perpetuate a false science (though once one atheist simply said that Christians were hypocrites, and didn’t deny they get better at science). So that is in example atheists unintentionally give of science not (magically) making a person better, or of scientists not seeking the truth. Opposite, Christians and some other types of theists point out that atheists perpetuate the corrupt or non-science of the Big Bang, Life-from-Chance (abiogenesis) and Darwinian evolution or other types of molecules-to-man evolution theories, and it is evidence that all three of these fields of science or so called sciences, don’t get better but are perpetuated without evidence, but false evidence. I say false evidence not without my own evidence for saying that, but which you can see for yourself in the endless articles from atheist and evolutionist controlled magazines and websites which are always putting up false titles about such those theories as being facts, and not showing any evidence for it, or using false titles, similar to, “Link between bird and dinosaur fossil found” or “Star formation seen in distant galaxy” or some title implying some evidence has been found of “no God needed”. But when you read such articles, you’ll see it actually says, “more research needed till a definite conclusion is needed” or there is simply no evidence matching the title’s claim, like in the case of claims of stars being seen in the process of forming, you’ll never see two photos showing a star coming together from gas and or dust, as atheists and evolutionists claim is how they are made, let alone see a galaxy forming. It’s simply false titles and statements of “evidence” and or “proof”. In a few cases outright lies have been admitted, and these examples are not surprisingly, hidden or rarely mentioned by atheists and evolutionsits.

25) If atheism is the best way of life, how can you explain why it is atheists, not merely “communists” as some atheists claim in the bias – how can you explain why atheists are the most violent group in existence? Isn’t it a strange irony that the people who are the greatest supporters of evolution, which they imply or also call “progress” have killed more people then any group that ever existed and in the shortest amount of time? Catholics for example killed an estimated 50,000,000, incluing oppositional Christians, over 1000 years, but the communist-atheist lead groups of the former Soviet Union, Vietnam, China and Turkey, killed 150,000,000 in 100 years, and in the past 100 years. That’s not including the millions of abortions they endorse for depopulation, saving the dirt we walk on, to punish rapists (which I think is a twisted and evil, arbitrary, fake reason that only helps rapists, because rapists rarely rape to make a baby but as an act of violence and to make the other person submit to them (which many atheists will say when wanting to appear good and moral), and rapists would rather it be killed so they can keep on raping without having to pay for any baby they leave behind, and to prevent “poor babies who will have a bad life” from existing (as if atheists are prophets of the future and that poor are worthless – and if worthless why then don’t the atheist-ruled governments of the world kill all their poor people?), and so that the one who gave birth can live a more fun and happier life (if that’s not an immoral reason what is?).

26) If atheists are so moral as many want all theists to believe, if they are superior in morality, if they don’t need the threat of Hell, why do they risk, murder, of endless amounts of babies, let alone one baby? Just what is their evidence that babies aren’t human and don’t feel pain? Why don’t they even campaign for anesthatizing a baby before killing it? And how can atheist ones they be so cold, as to care more about saving the life of some tiny fish, or some little insect, some tiny fly, one that spreads disease, over a human baby? And who made them God over life, let alone human life, over who should be aborted/murdered or not? Who made them God over life period?

27) Another logic fallcy many atheists spread is that, “Christians are immoral because they need the threat of Hell to be moral”, which is a distotion of what both the Bible and Christians say. It’s also hypocritical:

28) If atheists don’t need the threat of Hell to do right, why do they need the threat of punishment of any kind to do right? Are atheist dominated countries like Russia and it’s former states, or Estonia, Vietnam or China, without laws? Do they simply have requests like, “Please don’t murder” or “Don’t murder” (but if you do we will just ask you not to do it again or let you be open-minded and free to do whatever you want)? Never. And any individuals like that are considered to be psychopaths and or narcissists, to mentally ill, or at least very ignorant and stunted in maturity with a childish mind.

29) Atheists often say that God could not exist because he allows evil, and more knowledgeable atheists say this because they Bible says that God is love, and that a loving person doesn’t allow evil. The problem with that statement is that there is no evidence for it. Even the Bible commands Christians to be loving yet not to interfere in some things and to allow certain evils to happen, including against themselves, and to instead giving a loving response back to whoever commits the evil against them. But is that hateful, to allow yourself to be insulted and to be loving back, or is that “love”? So atheists have it backwards again. It’s also hypocritical because:

30) Many atheists say that God is a “control-freak” who is always angry and treats us like children. But how is allowing us to do what we want, even to the extreme, being a “control-freak”? If a parent allowed their child to go around murdering people, raised them without any morals, would the parent be called a control-freak? Would the parent be spoken of as, “Trying to force their will on others” or as one false evil Christian radio show host says, a “cosmic rapist”? So again, atheist, and those who treat themselves as God, like their will is God, have it backwards and are blind to what is clearly not true. It’s also not true that God simply allows anything to be done, because if that were true, we would all be dead since there are many people, atheist and theist, who at times or all the time, would like to destroy the world in moments of rage. But only do we still exist, but so many, that many atheists and theists claim “too many people” exist on this planet.

31) Where did you learn that Satan is simply someone who makes sounds like a cute monster in a stereotypical children’s book? Does the Bible say that Satan simply made scary sounds to Eve, or that he goes around merely doing that? Did someone tell you that “evil” is merely making scary sounds? It’s no surprise that if that is all you think evil is, that that is why atheists show little concern for truth and true morality, but rather for doing as they feel like, which they falsely claim as morality. Morality, goodness, is not, “Whatever I feel it is”, it’s not whatever the majority of humans say it is, it’s what God says it is, and which is why there is fighting: because some choose to obey God, and some choose not to to the hurt of others, to the hurt of others who won’t stand for immorality that brings harm.

32) Christianity is not simply based on “faith”, a word which atheists also confuse with the phrase “blind faith” as if faith can’t be said without “blind”. I wouldn’t be surprised if some atheist listening to a sermon many years ago, took some pastor’s phrase: “blind faith”, out of context to mean that that is all Christians have and admitted to having. And though some so called Christians do merely go about by faith, the Bible does not teach anyone to merely have faith, but faith with evidence, and I’ve given you plenty irrefutable evidence in this letter, which if you deny, make it evident that you are deluded. If you want to read about more evidence for the Bible being true, and there is an overwhelming amount, go to http://20questions.tk, and scroll down to the section where websites are listed which give various types of evidence for the Bible, or as I pointed out the obvious: go to a bookstore, library or use the Internet to search for truth. You can ask if any person is willing to simply tell you, but it could be looked on as you being lazy and wasting time if nothing his hindering you from doing this, no big hindrance at least, since the information has already been written to save time.

Update: Two days ago, Patience claimed not to be an atheist, and on that day I noticed that when she gets drunk, she says things that are the opposite of when she is not drunk. She claimed to love Jesus completely. I’m not sure what she believes. I think she is very cute though, and I love her.

Liberal ”Science Writer” Alicia Chang and Liberal Sociologist Peggy Giordano Suggests Teen Sex to Reduce Stress

Liberal ”science writer” Alicia Chang and some liberal sociologist named Peggy Giordano suggest “teen sex to reduce stress”, not the eternal peace that God offers or the relief in stress that results in obeying him, in other words, they suggest what God describes as one of the worst kinds of rebellion to relieve stress: fornication:

Teen Sex Not Always Bad For Grades
Committed Relationships Won’t Impact Performance
by Alicia Chang, an “AP science writer”
8/15/2010

LOS ANGELES — There’s good news for parents who worry that their teenagers’ sex lives are affecting their school performance: A provocative new study has found that teens in committed relationships do no better or worse in school than those who don’t have sex.

The same isn’t true for teens who “hook up.” Researchers found that those who have casual flings get lower grades and have more school-related problems compared with those who abstain.

The findings, presented Sunday at a meeting of the American Sociological Association in Atlanta, challenge to some extent assumptions that sexually active teens tend to do poorer in school.

It’s not so much whether a teen has sex that determines academic success, the researchers say, but the type of sexual relationship they’re engaged in. Teens in serious relationships may find social and emotional support in their sex partners, reducing their anxiety and stress levels in life and in school.

“This should give some comfort to parents who may be concerned that their teenage son or daughter is dating,” said sociologist Peggy Giordano of Bowling Green State University, who had no role in the research. Teen sex is “not going to derail their educational trajectories,” she said. [More here]

Wow, how stupid: So parents don’t have to worry about grades if their teens have sex, well then teens should have sex! WHICH IS IT MORON: THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORRY IF THEY ARE IN A “SERIOUS” RELATIONSHIP OR IF THEY ARE HAVING SEX? WEASEL? CAN YOU BE CONSISTENT? And besides you talking like God’s word does not matter, which says not to have sex before marriage, not even to act sensual towards ANYONE before marriage, do yah think it might matter if the female gets pregnant? Are you stupid Alicia and to whomever reposted her liberal propaganda rant without speaking out against it? Parents not being worrying or control obsessed while not allowing their kids to do just whatever feels good, and their kids finding a good friend or friends, and a massager can also reduce stress; you don’t need to permit your kid to have sex before they are married for them to relieve stress.

What Does ”Truth” Mean? – How Can Truth Be Defined?

UPDATE 10/16/2011: I realized about two days ago that truth could in fact be defined (and that I might not have understood Tarski’s work on truth correctly). I realized it when talking with my dad about the definition of truth, and that like the word “red” an example needed to be given, as in visual, to show what “red” actually was (as opposed to simply say, “a color”). And I finally realized, that many other things need to be shown to be understood, and that you don’t need endless examples for a reference like “red” or “soft” to be understood.

So then truth can be defined as
1) All that which is true.
2) A truth, example: 2 + 2 = 2.
3) A quality, trustworthy, example: The Bible is “trustworthy” because many archeological and scientific discoveries have been made which verify its historical accuracy.

Update 2/12/2011: I’m too tired to read what exactly I said below concerning my personal attempt to define truth as that which is real, but I realized this a few minutes ago: that which exists can’t be the definition of truth, because lies exist, but that doesn’t make lies true. So, perhaps it is true that truth can’t be defined in our language.)

While working on a short and somewhat simple refutation of atheism, I came across an old problem for me, that is, defining what ”truth” and “lie” means. I looked up various definitions and tried to find out what its characteristics were, and also looked into the Bible and the meanings of the original Hebrew and Greek words that are translated as either of those words in English Bibles. I noticed that when I try to define them simply, it goes around in a circle, like this:

“The truth is that which is not a lie” and “A lie is that which is not a truth”.

What seemed like an hour later, I came up on my own to a degree, with this definition:

Truth: An exact or reproduction or true description of some part of existing information which was sensed by the one reproducing the information. Example: A man named Zor saw the color red at 12 P.M. and remembered this, and when he was asked what he saw at 12 P.M. he said that he saw the color red.

The problem with this definition is it defines itself with a similar version of the word “truth”, and that word is “true”. In short its basically saying, “Truth is what is true”, which is little better than saying, “Truth is what is truth.” Interesting to me, in Proverbs 12:17 it says, “Whoever speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit.”, which is true, but notice it says “truth gives honest” which is basically saying, “truth gives truthful”. Trying to define truth as “that which has evidence to show it is true” is also circular. The strange and interesting thing though, and ironic, is that we humans have the ability to sense various truths and also lies even though we have great trouble defining either, which makes it evident that we have been programmed to automatically detect truth from lies but that our ability to detect them is not perfect. According to the Bible this is because of our rebellious attitude towards God (the source of truth). This causes us to become forgetful of what is morally true and false and forgetful of various truths God has spoken, and we also become deluded, meaning, we believe lies.

A delusion is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. The psychiatric definition of delusion is similarly, a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process) and is held despite evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, dogma, stupidity, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception, as pointed out by the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers, who was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered a delusion in his 1917 book General Psychopathology. The characteristics of a delusion according to him (in my simplified language), are:

1) having complete belief without doubt, and
2) not being able to be persuaded to believe differently,
3) despite being shown obvious evidence (including in the form of logical arguments) which show the belief to be clearly false, and
4) the belief being clearly (evidently wrong or easily able to be understood as to why it is) wrong (except to the one who has the delusion).

Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and spiritual, or more specifically “mental”).

It’s about 7:03 A.M. and I intend to work on this post later as I am worn out.

4:02 P.M.:

You can define truth as “That which matches reality” but then you have the “problem” of defining what is real, a problem because if you are dreaming and see and feel an object, does that make it anymore real than what you see and feel when awake? Real can be defined as “that which is made of matter, energy or spirit”. What is spirit? It’s not made of matter or energy, but is it seems to me information in its pure form whether living or non-living. For example non-living information is data, like a concept, a thought, a piece of information like some letter or number, some quantity which can represented by “1” or “2” or other numbers or a representation of no quantity like the phrase “no quantity” or the number “0”.

Related Post:

The Definition of Reality

8/19/2010:

About an hour ago, I think, I found this page: The Man Who Defined Truth, which after pasting that here realized a sort of irony, being that the article says that truth cannot be defined in the language you are using it in, as was supposedly proven by Alfred Tarski.

Timeline of the Russian Heatwave of 2010 with Chart, Pictures, Temperature Map and Video

Abnormal hot and dry weather has hit Russian regions in the summer of 2010. Many Russians are suffering from the record-breaking heat and the worst drought in 40 years.

Muscovites wearing masks to breath clear air in smog-ridden Moscow
(yes I see the Russian hottie)

Image from Alexandr Solo via Flickr

Image from Evgeniya Zzubchenko via Flickr

Russians flee villages from fire caused in part by 2010 heat wave

Higher Food Prices: Why a Russian Heatwave Could Burn Your Budget
by Charles Wallace
08/05/2010/ 10:05 AM

Central Russia is having the hottest summer on record — this may not be of major interest in Chicago or L.A., which have their own heat problems to worry about. But we live in a globalized world, and Russia’s high temperatures, complete with raging wildfires, are going to send food prices higher for American consumers in the next few months.

According to reports out of Moscow, the Russian Farmers Union says the wheat crop will be down by an estimated 50% this year. That has sent wheat prices soaring from $5 to $7.25 a bushel on the commodity futures market Wednesday, a 45% jump.

Ephraim Leibtag, an economist with the U.S. Agriculture Department’s economic research service, says the “pass-through” rate of commodity prices is about 5% to 15% at the retail level.

With a 45% increase in wheat prices, Leibtag expects the cost of wheat-based products like bread, pasta, and flour to rise about 2% to 4% in grocery stores. Consumer goods like breakfast cereal probably won’t rise as fast because they contain sugar and ingredients other than wheat.

Paying More for a Caffeine Jolt

And it’s not just wheat prices that are going up, either.

J.M. Smucker (SJM), which distributes Folgers and such other coffee brands as Dunkin’ Donuts and Millstone, announced on Tuesday that it’s raising prices 9%, effective immediately. The company had already raised prices by 4% in May.

Wholesale coffee prices hit a 12-year high on Monday after a string of bad harvests in Colombia, the supplier of premium Arabica coffee.

And cocoa, the main ingredient in a host of chocolate confectionary items, hit a 33-year high of $3,092 a ton on July 30, following a sharp fall in production in Ivory Coast, West Africa, where plant diseases have caused the harvest to shrink by 15% in the last five years.

“A lot of the key commodities that go into food products and baked goods are trending upward right now,” says Christopher Shanahan, food industry analyst for San Antonio, Texas-based research firm Frost & Sullivan.

“When there’s uncertainty in the price of a commodity, processors and retailers will act on that and try to increase prices to either take advantage of the news or put a buffer on in case their material costs go up faster than expected,” Shanahan says.

Knock-On Effects

One side effect of the wheat price rise is the possibility it will cause the price of other commodities, like corn and soybeans, to climb too. If that happens, prices for beef, pork and chicken will also probably go up because corn and soybeans are widely used in animal feed.

Corn, which averaged around $3.50 a bushel earlier this year, was trading at $4.15 a bushel on commodities markets Wednesday. Soybeans, which averaged $9.40 to $9.50, were trading at $10.28 a bushel Wednesday.

“If wheat supplies are down, then demand for the other commodities is going to go up,” Shanahan says. “Prices of all commodities are impacted by wheat.”

Shanahan says the stocks of retail grocery firms probably won’t be hit by the cost increases because they pass those hikes along to consumers. But he notes manufacturers could feel the pinch, especially if oil prices continue to rise beyond the $80 a barrel level. – Source

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Russia Bans Grain Exports Amid Drought

Video: Wildfires and Drought Destroy 25% of Russian’s Grain Crops. Affecting Third World Countries

Deadly Russian heat wave gravest over millennium
08/09/2010/15:32

Russia has recently seen the longest unprecedented heat wave for at least one thousand years, the head of the Russian Meteorological Center said on Monday.

Wildfires continue to rage across much of the central part of European Russia as the country experiences a heat wave, with temperatures of up to and above 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit).

“We have an ‘archive’ of abnormal weather situations stretching over a thousand years. It is possible to say there was nothing similar to this on the territory of Russia during the last one thousand years in regard to the heat,” Alexander Frolov said.

He said scientists received information on ancient weather conditions by exploring lake deposits.

Frolov also said Russia’s grain crop may decrease by at least 30% compared to last year.

On Thursday, Russia imposed a ban on the export of grain and grain products that will last from August 15 to December 31, though First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov said the ban may be changed after the harvest is calculated in October. – Source

Russia Heat Wave May Kill 15,000, Shave $15 Billion of GDP
8/10/2010/8:02 A.M. PT
by Lucian Kim and Maria Levitov

A man puts his head into a fountain as he tries to cool down near the Kremlin in Moscow.

Russia’s record heat wave may already have taken 15,000 lives and cost the economy $15 billion as fires and drought ravage the country.

At least 7,000 people have probably died in Moscow as a result of the heat, and the nationwide death toll is likely to be at least twice that figure, according to Jeff Masters, co- founder of Weather Underground, a 15-year-old Internet weather service that gathers information from around the world.

“The Russian population affected by extreme heat is at least double the population of Moscow, and the death toll in Russia from the 2010 heat wave is probably at least 15,000, and may be much higher,” Masters said late yesterday on his blog.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin took to the air today to douse a forest fire south of Moscow. The heat wave may slice 1 percent off of Russia’s $1.5 trillion economy this year because of lower agricultural output and reduced activity in other areas such as industry, Alexander Morozov, chief economist at HSBC Holdings Plc in Moscow, said in an e-mail today.

Russia may harvest a third less grain than last year because of drought, Putin said yesterday. Companies such as automaker OAO AvtoVAZ have curbed production, and restaurants in Moscow are seeing a decline in customers as residents avoid smoke from wildfires that is blanketing the city.

Putin, 57, is leading government relief efforts, banning grain exports until the end of the year and traveling to the worst affected areas. State television showed him in the cockpit of a Be-200 firefighting plane today as it scooped up water from a river to extinguish two fires in the Ryazan region.

Moscow Smoke

In the Moscow region, planes are unable to fight fires because of thick smoke. Aircraft are on stand-by for when the air clears, Rossiya-24 television reported. The capital broke another record today when the temperature reached 32.8 degrees Celsius (91 Fahrenheit).

While the official death toll from fires in central Russia is 52, the heat and smoke in Moscow have almost doubled the city’s normal death rate to about 700 a day, Andrei Seltsovsky, head of the city’s public health department, said yesterday in a televised news conference.

Masters, who has a Ph.D. in air pollution meteorology, used those numbers to calculate a nationwide death toll. As many as 50,000 people died during a European heat wave seven years ago, he said. – More here with video

2010 Russian Heat Wave Causes Smog, Wildfires and Drought
8/11/2010
by Maureen K. Fleury

Record-breaking temperatures that began in late June have been responsible for crop failure, hundreds of fires and poor air quality in Russia.

Many towns and villages in Central and Western Russia have been destroyed by wildfires propelled by dry vegetation and lack of manpower to fight the fires. The air quality has deteriorated to the point of a stagnant blanket of smog trapping harmful particulates.

Drought Conditions in Russia

In a BBC news report dated July 29, 2010, “A state of emergency has been declared in more than 20 drought-hit regions. It is estimated a fifth of the country’s wheat crop has now died due to the lack of rain in what is thought to be the country’s worst drought for more than a century.”

Officials are concerned that there will be no little or no wheat available for export this year.

Wildfires in Russia

In a report by The Guardian on August 2, 2010 it was noted,” The president, Dmitry Medvedev, declared a state of emergency in seven regions as firefighters struggled to contain about 600 blazes covering an estimated 309,000 acres (125,000 hectares). Strong winds added to the difficulty. Several villages in the Nizhny Novgorod, Voronezh and Ryazan regions were reduced to drifts of ash.”

Forest fires and peat fires have also approached the areas that lie south and west of Moscow where there is a risk of the fires reactivating contaminated property caused by the Chernobyl disaster in 1986. The fires also pose a risk to military installations and to the nuclear research headquarters in Savov. As a precaution, all explosive and radioactive materials have been removed, in addition to the relocation of missiles and artillery.

Impact of the Heat Wave in Moscow

A thick blanket of smog has smothered Moscow and the air quality is extremely poor. The BBC also reported “pollution levels in parts of the city are 10 times higher than normal safety limits.”

Temperatures soared upwards of 97F (36C) and one day, the thermometers read 108F (42C). Forecasters predict that the heat wave will continue for at least another week.

According to a report by the PBS News Hour on August 9, 2010. “Heat stroke and complications from air quality have nearly doubled death rates in Moscow, from about 360 deaths a day to about 700, according to Moscow’s health department. Carbon monoxide levels are two to three times higher than the level considered healthy.”

Authorities have warned residents to stay home and to wear facemasks if going outdoors. The warning also suggested the limitation of physical activity. The visibility at Moscow’s airport was reduced to 1,200 feet (350 meters) and this caused the cancellation and delays of over 100 flights. In the Moscow region alone, over 50 fires have been reported.

PBS reported that 52 people have lost their lives in the fires since the heat wave started at the end of June. The Guardian stated that more than 2,000 people have died by drowning when cooling off in the lakes and rivers. Many of these deaths have been alcohol related.

Sources:

Fires Rage on as Moscow Suffers ‘Hottest Day Ever’. BBC News, World-Europe. July 29, 2010.

Parfitt, Tom. Russian Wildfires Kill 34 in Heatwave. The Guardian, World News. August 2, 2010.

Miller, Talea. Heat Wave, Wildfires Pummel Russia. PBS News Hour. August 9, 2010. – Source

Fire battle continues as new wave of smoke expected in Moscow
8/12/2010/9:26

Moscow is bracing itself for another uncomfortable cloud of smog. Experts warn that after a brief respite, a new wave of noxious smoke is likely to engulf the city.

While Muscovites are enjoying fresh air in the capital, a burst of new blazes is expected to come late Thursday and Friday. The new fires are expected to be less intense than other recent infernos.

Doctors predict a rise in respiratory diseases in the coming autumn and winter, as smoke and heat in the city have weakened peoples’ immune systems. – More here with downloadable video

We are facing global climate anomaly – meteorologist
8/12/2010/11:06

Several weeks of sweltering heat which have gripped Central Russia have again stirred up the debate about global warming.

Meteorologist Vadim Zavodchenkov, from an independent weather information service, explains what has been behind the seasonal shift and predicts where it could lead the coming winter.

“There are several factors there,” Zavochenkov told RT. “First of all, of course, it’s down to nature. There’s also the human factor, as people’s influence on nature is rarely positive. But there also a more global factor that I want to mention. The earth as apart of the universe is affected by outer space.”

The scientist claimed solar activity and its variations are among the strongest impacts on Earth and said that now the sun is in one of the longest calm periods of its cycle for decades, which affects the air streams’ circulation. – More here with downloadable video

The Russian Heatwave had nothing to do with global warming as this article below shows:

More on the Russian heat wave – satellite analysis
8/14/2010
by Steve Goddard
minor editing by Daniel Knight

Dr. Pielke’s excellent post gave me an idea. NASA said:

Not all parts of the Russian Federation experienced unusual warmth on July 20–27, 2010. A large expanse of northern central Russia, for instance, exhibits below-average temperatures. Areas of atypical warmth, however, predominate in the east and west. Orange- and red-tinged areas extend from eastern Siberia toward the southwest, but the most obvious area of unusual warmth occurs north and northwest of the Caspian Sea. These warm areas in eastern and western Russia continue a pattern noticeable earlier in July, and correspond to areas of intense drought and wildfire activity.

Looking at the NASA image, it is clear that more land is below normal temperatures than is above. So I generated the map below, which flattens all areas of above and below normal temperatures. – More here

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Demons Mislead Australian Psychic and Taunts Police and Victims’ Friends and Relatives

Search for missing girl ends in gruesome find
8/12/2010/9:09 AM
by Clementine Cuneo

A SELF-proclaimed psychic acting on a gut feeling she knew where missing girl Kiesha Abrahams’ body lay, has stumbled upon the torso of an adult female.

Homicide Chief Inspector Pam Young said a female with psychic powers discovered the torso in a Doonside reserve yesterday afternoon.

The torso was wrapped in plastic, and had been in the grass for sometime, Ch Insp Young said.

The family of missing Sydney woman Kristi McDougall has been contacted by police and told to prepare for the possibility it is her body, pending the outcome of a post mortem.

Police divers are searching for the remainder of the body.

The woman told police she had a feeling she would find something of interest in the area, but had actually thought it would relate to six-year-old Kiesha’s disappearance.

“Well, it’s quite interesting that there’s a woman and she had a sense or feeling it was worth her while to come to this particular part of the park,” Detective Chief Inspector Pamela Young from the Homicide Squad said.

The woman believed she had special powers that helped her find the body.

She thought her powers could help locate Kiesha, who was last seen 11 days ago in Mount Druitt.

“There was a thought in her mind, apparently, that her coming here might help that particular case, but it hasn’t,” Ins Young said.

Post-mortem investigations into yesterday’s grim find are underway with police searching bushland and waterways for missing body parts.

Police believe the torso could be that of a woman missing for nearly two months.

Insp Young said they were contacting relatives of Kristi McDougall, who has been missing since June 19.

Ms McDougall, the mother of a two-year-old boy, was last seen in Homebush and told friends she was on her way to the Ermington area in the city’s west.

A search is now underway of Nurragingy Reserve, Knowx Road, where the torso was discovered about 6.30pm on Wednesday.

Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000. – Source

Kiesha premonition led to torso find
8/12/2010 2:02 PM
by the AAP

A WOMAN who found a dead woman’s torso wrapped in plastic at a reserve in Sydney’s west says a premonition about missing youngster Kiesha Abrahams led her there.

She made the grisly discovery at Nurragingy Reserve in Doonside about 6.30pm (AEST) yesterday.

The woman told police she had a feeling she would find something of interest in the area, but had actually thought it would relate to six-year-old Kiesha’s disappearance.

“Well, it’s quite interesting that there’s a woman and she had a sense or feeling it was worth her while to come to this particular part of the park,” Detective Chief Inspector Pamela Young from the Homicide Squad said at the scene today.

“We’re still exploring that, it’s certainly an interesting proposition of hers.”

The woman believed she had special powers that helped her find the body, Inspector Young said.

She thought her powers could help locate Kiesha, who was last seen 11 days ago in Mount Druitt, Inspector Young said.

“There was a thought in her mind, apparently, that her coming here might help that particular case, but it hasn’t.”

Post-mortem investigations into yesterday’s grim find are underway with police searching bushland and waterways for missing body parts.

Police believe the torso could be that of a woman missing for nearly two months.

Inspector Young said they were contacting relatives of Kristi McDougall, who has been missing since June 19.

Ms McDougall, the mother of a two-year-old boy, was last seen in Homebush and told friends she was on her way to the Ermington area in the city’s west. – Source

Psychic searches for missing Australian child… and instead finds headless torso of adult woman
8/13/2010/10:43 AM
by Richard Shears

An amateur psychic searching for the body of a missing child has instead found the headless torso of a woman.

The extraordinary discovery has stunned Australian police, who have been searching for six-year-old youngster Kiesha Abrahams for almost two weeks.

Kiesha disappeared from her bedroom while her mother slept in another room.

The psychic, Aboriginal elder Cheryl Carroll-Lagerwey, told them that she had a premonition about where the body of Kiesha was lying.

Surprise discovery: Aboriginal elder psychic Cheryl Carroll-Lagerwey was searching for six-year-old Kiesha Abrahams, above, who went missing on July 31 – but instead found the torso of a woman

Surprise discovery: Aboriginal elder psychic Cheryl Carroll-Lagerwey was searching for six-year-old Kiesha Abrahams, above, who went missing on July 31 – but instead found the torso of a woman

She and a companion went to a creek in the Nurragingy nature reserve in the Sydney suburb of Doonside – a few miles from Kiesha’s home – and found a plastic bag on the embankment which contained the woman’s grisly remains.

Senior police were astonished by the find.

‘It is quite interesting that a woman had a sense or a feeling that it was worth her while to come to this particular part of the park,’ said Chief Inspector Pam Young of the New South Wales Homicide Squad.

‘It is very sad to say that an adult female torso has been found where the witnesses said they thought there was a body.’

Asked whether the psychic thought she would find evidence in relation to the mystery of Kiesha Abrahams’ disappearance, Chief Inspector Young admitted that the circumstances were ‘quite unusual’.

Speaking about Kiesha as she stood beside the creek where the bag was found, Chief Inspector Young said: ‘There was a thought in her mind apparently that her coming here might help that particular case.

‘They are quite unusual circumstances that have brought us here initially and then to actually find a body… but it’s certainly not a child.’

She added that it was ‘a very interesting proposition’ that the self-proclaimed psychic claimed to have psychic powers.

‘For those who believe in such things, I understand that the woman thinks that she might have some powers along that line.’

Asked about her personal views, Chief Inspector Young said: ‘I have certain strong feelings about people who claim they are psychic. I don’t think it will help if we enter a discussion on that.’

In an effort to identify the dismembered body in the bag, police said they had been in touch with the family of missing Sydney woman Kristi McDougall, believing the body might be hers. – More here

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EXCLUSIVE: Cocaine, Prostitution & Death Threats – New Details Of Danielle Staub’s Secret Life Exposed In Lawsuit

8/12/2010/6:36 AM

Danielle Staub’s sordid past is coming back to haunt her, thanks to a new lawsuit that has provided never-before-revealed details about the reality TV star’s past involvement with drugs, violence and even prostitution, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

The Real Housewives of New Jersey star worked as an escort in Miami, once threatened to murder someone after beating them with a handgun, and was involved in a botched drug deal, according to explosive new testimony.

EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Inside Danielle Staub’s Strip Club Birthday Bash

Daniel Aguilar, the man the controversial Real Housewives star has claimed threatened her life, was questioned under oath for several hours in Diamond Bar, California last Thursday, and detailed his claims about Staub’s shocking secret life.

“She’s a snitchin’ coke wh*re,” Aguilar told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview after his deposition.

Aguilar is a former drug dealer who was arrested in a kidnapping and drug distribution scheme with Staub almost 30 years ago. Last week, he told lawyers he met Staub in the 1980s, and she was a hooker.

Aguilar served time after Staub cooperated with prosecutors, and he admitted to RadarOnline.com that he wanted her dead. He has brought Staub’s scandalous past into the present as he recently gave a deposition in a slander suit against the star by ex-husband Kevin Maher.

He also has recently contacted Staub and demanded $100,000 that he says she still owes him for getting her off the hook years ago with big-time drug dealers. – Source

I posted this as an example of the type of people non-Christians and false Christians idolize for being “proud” and “free”. Arrogant and wild are more accurate.

August 2010: Newly released UFO files from the UK government

Link: http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk

The files contain a wide range of UFO-related documents, drawings, letters and parliamentary questions covering the years 1995-2003.

Discover which part of the country had the most reported UFO sightings and find out more about the terror attack foretold in a dream, mysterious objects tracked by radar and the 100-1 bet on alien life.

Start by reading our highlights guide (PDF, 332kb) to help you navigate your way through the files.

Due to the large size of some of these files, we recommend you save them to your PC before opening them. Please right click on the links and select the ‘save’ option.

British former UFO researcher Nick Pope comments on the release of more UFO files from the British governmet on CNN

More British X-Files Released!

8/2010
by David Clarke

The facts about some of Britain’s best-known UFO myst­eries are revealed in the latest collection of ‘X-files’ released by Britain’s National Archives. A total of 18 files containing 5,000 pages of material were released on 5 August and can be downloaded free of charge from the National Archives website for one month.

They provide a unique historical snapshot of the extra­ordinary beliefs, legends and rumours that were held and spread by ufo­logists around the time of the 50th anniversary of the birth of the subject, in 1997. These files contain hundreds of letters addressed to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and politicians that cover every conceivable UFO and conspiracy rumour circulating just before the millennium: UFO crashes, alien abductions, animal mutilations, demonic entities, crop circles, remote viewing, mind-control and government conspiracies.

In contrast to this fortean feast of weirdness are the MoD’s increasingly exasperated attempts to pour cold water on topics they regarded as irrelevant at best and a nuisance at worst. But they couldn’t stem the flood of correspondence, which saw a doubling of the UFO desk’s workload. During 1996 – the year before the Roswell anniversary – the MoD received 609 UFO reports, 343 letters from the public and 22 inquiries from MPs.

One of the most intriguing ‘X-files’ contains a request from FT writer and crop circle-maker Rob Irving on the use by police of psychics during criminal investigations (‘Watching the Dream Detectives’ FT86:23–28). In 1995, Irving asked the MoD’s UFO desk officer, Kerry Philpott, if she could confirm a claim made by “psychic detective” Chris Robinson, who said he had alerted staff at RAF Stanmore at Uxbridge to a bomb plot he had seen in a dream weeks before the actual attack. For his trouble, Robinson “was arrested, and kept there all day for interrogation – which I thought was wonderful because now I exist on MoD records”. – More here

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China’s Zhouqu County August, 2010 Mudslides: Over 1,100 Dead

 
Death toll climbs to 1,117 in China mudslides
8/11/2010/1:00 P.M. EDT
by the CNN Wire Staff

Zhouqu County, China — There were homes here once but Yueyuan village is now a sweeping mud plain. Residents dig through the sludge where they think their bedroom once was.

Maybe there is still a loved one under there. Maybe he or she is still alive, though hopes of finding survivors in China’s massive mudslides are fast dimming.

The death toll Wednesday soared to 1,117, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported, though local residents believe that number to be higher.

Li Jinming had pulled up in his taxi when he witnessed the wall of mud and rocks rush through Yueyuan. Rescue teams found the body of his wife but they are still searching for his two sons. He draws a map of his house, and points out where he believes his boys might have been.

Anxiety, grief and the stench of death overwhelmed Zhouqu County in China’s northwestern Gansu province, where torrential rains triggered the mudslides Sunday. Emergency teams have rescued 1,243 people but 627 people are missing, Xinhua said.

The side of a mountain broke off in the night and tore through remote Zhouqu, burying homes and ripping others apart. The path of the mudslide is covered in three and four stories of rock and mud.

Some buildings, including the police department and a primary school, were flattened by the wall of mud. Others toppled over or vanished completely, buried under sludge several feet deep.

“There was a noise like thunder and then it came down from the sky,” said one woman, who did not want to be identified. “There was no way to escape.” – More here

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Pakistan Devastated by Massive Flooding in August, 2010

A Message To Pakistan: Has your government executed the Muslim who became a Christian yet? Why should anyone help you fight the Taliban when your government acts no different then them? Why should anyone help you at all when you allow oppression and murder against those who choose to think rather than simply listen and attack anyone else who refuses to submit to their feelings and opinions? Has Allah performed any clear miracle for you except destruction and oppression? Have mercy, and mercy will be shown upon you too. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Fo true justice and you will get true justice.

Images and news on the Pakistan floods of August, 2010 with a September 1st news update below on the help the U.S. has given to Pakistan.

8/2/2010From the BBC: In pictures: Pakistan under water (slide)

9/1/2010Thirteen Pakistan Flood Pictures with Descriptions, by James Wray

8/3/2010
by David Petley

Update on the flood wave in Pakistan, plus an update on the monsoon in India and on typhoon activity in the NW Pacific
The true magnitude of the disaster in Pakistan is now becoming clear – this appears to be the country’s equivalent of Hurricane Katrina. It has to be hoped that lessons are learnt both within the country and by the international community in terms of disaster risk reduction there.

In 2007 the World Health Organisation produced a flood potential map for Pakistan, which I reproduce below:

More here.

Pakistan flood: UK charities rush to help

8/5/2010
by Vanessa Barford

Family members salvage belongings from their destroyed house in Pabbi, located in Pakistan”s northwest Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa The disaster has already claimed the lives of 1,600 people and affected over four million

As the Disasters Emergency Committee launches an emergency appeal to raise funds for victims of the devastating floods in Pakistan, British charities are scrambling to get aid to the worst affected regions.

The UN says Pakistan’s worst flooding in nearly a century has now affected more than four million people and left at least 1,600 dead.

Charities have been quick to send supplies and emergency response teams.

But with fresh flood warnings and more rain forecast – and thousands struggling with shortages of food, clean water, shelter and medicine – UK aid agencies say the situation on the ground is desperate.

Patrick Fuller, from the British Red Cross, has been based in Islamabad for the past few days and visited many of the hardest-hit provinces.

He said the worst areas were “totally dependent” on outside help, and the International Red Cross was working with local partners to get a whole package of aid, such as tents, blankets, stoves and cooking pots, to about 35,000 families. – More here

8/6/2010ITN News: Pakistan floods hit up to 12 million people (video)

Landslides complicate Pakistan flood relief efforts


Flood victims evacuate their villages in Sukkur, Pakistan,
Sindh province, 8/8/2010. Click the picture to see 28 more
pictures and a video.

8/9/2010/5:47 P.M. EDT
by Junaid Khan

MINGORA Pakistan – Soldiers and aid workers struggled on Monday to reach at least a million people cut off by landslides that have complicated relief efforts after the worst floods in Pakistan in 80 years.

Poor weather has grounded relief helicopters and more rain was expected to compound the misery of more than 13 million people — about 8 percent of the population — whose lives have been disrupted by the floods, including two million homeless.

The floods have killed more than 1,600 people.

In the Swat Valley, northwest of Islamabad, soldiers and aid workers are using mules or traveling on foot to reach people in desperate need of help.

The catastrophe has put unpopular President Asif Ali Zardari on the defensive while raising the profile of the military which is spearheading relief efforts.

The floods, which began 10 days ago after heavy monsoon rain over the upper reaches of the Indus river basin, have plowed a swathe of destruction more than 1,000 km (600 miles) long from northern Pakistan to the southern province of Sindh.

While the water has begun to recede in some parts of the north, water-logged mountainsides long stripped of forest cover have begun to slide in some areas, isolating communities.

“We have brought in 130 mules to take food supplies to the cut-off valleys,” an army spokesman in Swat, Major Mushtaq Khan, told Reuters, adding that bad weather had grounded helicopters for the past two days.

“About one million people are stranded because the main road link has been severed … We believe that most stocks villagers had, have been exhausted and they need supplies.”

Zardari’s decision to go ahead with official trips to Europe during the crisis has renewed criticism of his leadership. The military has taken the lead in relief efforts while the government is under fire for perceived dithering.

The president is expected back by mid-week.

Analysts say there is no chance the military, which has vowed to stay out of politics and is preoccupied fighting militants, will try to seize power.

ISLAMISTS FILL AID VOID

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said in New York on Monday that he was “extremely concerned” about the humanitarian impact of the floods in Pakistan and would soon launch an emergency aid appeal for several hundred million dollars.

The United Nations said in terms of the number of people who have lost their homes or livelihoods, and will need short- or long-term help, the floods were worse than the 2004 tsunami, which killed 236,000 people around the Indian Ocean.

In Punjab province, army helicopters rescued people and their livestock from rooftops in Mehmood Kot village, a scene being played out in many parts of the country.

Some soldiers are getting frustrated by people’s reluctance to leave their homes.

“When we try to take them, they say they don’t want to leave and instead they demand food. We have to fly again to bring food. This is a major problem for us,” Lieutenant Colonel Salman Rafiq said. – More here

8/11/2010 From the BBC: In pictures: Pakistan under water (slide)

Pakistan floods surge as fresh rainfall triggers two more waves of water
Minister says people face a ‘grave situation’ as further flows could halt
embankment repairs

8/11/2010
by Saeed Shah

Pakistani authorities believe fresh rainfall has triggered two more waves of flooding already surging through remote areas, inundating more land and swallowing yet more villages.

The new flood surges are currently sweeping down from mountainous areas in the north, but are expected to reach more highly populated areas in the coming days.

In Sukkur – a district in one of the worst affected areas – water levels from the first flood surge are expected to reach their peak tomorrow , but Sindh province’s irrigation minister, Saifullah Dharejo, warned that fresh flooding could follow within days.

“Once this peak passes, another flood is being formed in the mountains, and then a third,” he said. “If we cannot plug the breaches [in the embankments], the water will keep expanding out. This is a grave situation.”

Pakistan’s worst ever flooding has already affected 14 million people, leaving 2 million homeless and an estimated 1,600 dead. News of the fresh surges came as the UN launched an emergency fundraising appeal for $459m (£290m), warning that survivors still face life-threatening conditions from disease and food shortages. The chief minister of Sindh province, Qaim Ali Shah, described the international aid pledged so far as “peanuts”. – More here

Photos of the Pakistan floods on Flickr.

U.S. Response to Pakistan’s Flooding Disaster
September 1, 2010
Office of the Spokesman, United States Department of State, Washington, DC
edited by Daniel Knight

The United States has responded immediately and generously to Pakistan’s call for assistance following the tragic and devastating floods that began July 29. This includes $150 million to support immediate relief efforts in Pakistan, through the Pakistan National Disaster Management Authority, the UN’s emergency response plan, and many other local and international organizations. An additional $50 million has been allocated for initial recovery efforts to assist with rebuilding communities impacted by the floods. Therefore, the United States Government is now providing $200 million to assist with relief and recovery efforts, which does not include considerable in-kind and technical assistance specifically to address the impact of these floods.

We are also expanding pre-existing programs in flood-affected areas. The U.S. also has provided civilian and military in-kind assistance in the form of halal meals, pre-fabricated steel bridges and other infrastructure support, as well as air support to and within Pakistan to transport goods and rescue people at an approximate value of approximately $20 million.- Through August 31, these aircraft have evacuated 10,051 people and delivered more than 2,930,000 pounds of relief supplies.

American business and private citizens are also making generous contributions to assist the people of Pakistan.

Latest Developments:

– Two U.S. Army UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters were delivered to Pakistan today as the first elements of the U.S. Army 16th Combat Aviation Brigade (CAB) began to arrive from Ft. Wainwright, Alaska. The unit and its helicopters will operate in partnership with the Pakistani military throughout flood-impacted areas. The helicopters were transported to Pakistan Air Force Base Chaklala via a U.S. Air Force C-17 cargo aircraft. They will be reassembled, prepared for operations and await the arrival of other helicopters and support personnel, scheduled to arrive over the coming days.

– On August 31, U.S. military C-130 aircraft, based from Afghanistan, delivered 51,370 pounds of food and relief supplies from Rawalpindi to Sukkur, Jacobabad and Skardu.

– On August 31, U.S. military helicopters rescued 618 people and transported 128,000 pounds of relief supplies.

– The U.S. announced August 31 the launch of a program to provide short-term employment to 4,800 families in Swat. The jobs program will be used to rebuild roads and bridges in the area, as well as stimulate the local economy.

– An additional $2 million is being provided to the International Organization for Migration (IOM) to expand humanitarian logistics operations and provide emergency relief supplies for health, shelter, and water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) programs.

Zardari warns Pakistan flood recovery
from Reuters
3/20/2011/10:06:34 P.M.

LONDON — Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari said it could take his country three years or more to recover from devastating floods that have left millions homeless and warned Islamic militants could exploit the crisis.

“I see always such organizations and such people taking advantage of this human crisis,” Zardari said in an interview published in Britain’s Independent newspaper on Tuesday.

“It is again a challenge to not let them take advantage of this human crisis.”

About one-third of Pakistan has been affected by three weeks of flooding and more than 4 million people are now without homes, the United Nations said on Thursday, making the critical task of securing greater amounts of aid more urgent.

Zardari, who triggered criticism when he went ahead with visits to meet British and French leaders and when he spent time at a family property in France as the catastrophe unfolded, defended the government’s response. – More here

The ghost trees of Pakistan: Spider webs cocoon branches in creepy after-effect of floods
by Daily Mail Reporter
3/28/2011/1:40 PM

Millions of spiders have crawled into trees in Pakistan to escape flood waters, shrouding them with their silky webs.

The eye-catching phenomenon is an unexpected side-effect of last year’s flooding which claimed the lives of almost 2,000 people.

However, since the monsoon weather devastated the nation last July, much of the water has still not yet receded.

The tiny arachnids have sought refuge amongst the trees weaving beautifully intricate webs between the leaves.
World wide web: Millions of spiders have climbed up into the trees to escape the rising flood waters in Pakistan. Locals say there are now fewer mosquitos reducing the risk of malaria

World wide web: Millions of spiders have climbed up into the trees to escape the rising flood waters in Pakistan. Locals say there are now fewer mosquitos reducing the risk of malaria

The branches are now so cocooned in spiders webs it gives the appearance of them being shrouded in a large net.

People in this part of Sindh, in south eastern Pakistan, near Karachi, have never seen this phenomenon before, but locals are reporting that there are now fewer mosquitos than they would expect, given the amount of stagnant, standing water that is around. – More here

Selected U.S. Contributions To Date:

– An additional 1,000 rolls of plastic sheeting have been delivered to Pakistan, bringing the total of the shelter materials to over 5,000 rolls. The plastic sheeting will provide temporary shelter for approximately 152,000 people.

– Seven additional mobile water treatment units arrived August 26, bringing the total to 13 now in Pakistan. U.S. water treatment units are capable of producing more than 1.3 million liters of clean water a day.

– The US brought in an additional 40 Zodiac inflatable rescue boats, bringing the total to 58.

– As of August 31, WFP Pakistan and partners have reached nearly 3 million beneficiaries with more than 34,000 metric tons of food. The U.S. has provided $51.5 million in food assistance to date.

– By September 1, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), which the United States is supporting through the State Department, had assisted over 370,000 flood-affected beneficiaries around Pakistan. In Kyhber Pakhtunkhwa province alone, UNHCR has distributed over 20,800 tents, 65,000 plastic sheets, 149,000 blankets, 99,000 sleeping mats, 49,000 quilts, 49,000 jerry cans, 50,000 plastic buckets, 24,000 kitchen sets, 37 metric tons of soap, and 49,000 mosquito nets to the flood-affected population.

– By August 24, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), which the U.S. is supporting, had assisted over 335,000 flood-affected beneficiaries.

– A grant to an NGO for $3.9 million was committed to support logistics and relief commodities, economic recovery and market systems, and water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) activities for flood-affected people in KPk and Sindh provinces.

Private Sector Response:

– To date, the private sector has donated $8.39 million in contributions to flood relief efforts. American Business Council members in the U.S. and Pakistan that have contributed include: Abbott Labs, Agility Logistics, AT&T, Becton Dickinson, Chevron Pakistan, Cisco Foundation, Coca-Cola Export Corporation & Coca-Cola Beverages Pakistan Ltd., DuPont, EMC, Feros Sons Laboratories, Hadayat Sons, Johnson & Johnson, MDS Foods, Proctor and Gamble, Pfizer Pakistan, Silver Star Enterprises, 3M, Visa and Wackenhut Pakistan (Pvt.) In addition, the Lahore-based American Business Forum has collected donations from: Coca-Cola, Environment Consultancies & Options, Levi Strauss Pakistan, Kabani & Company, General Electric, Monsanto AgriTech, Al-Bario Engineering, and Netsol Technologies.

– People in Pakistan are invited to share information and updates by SMS texting the word FLOODS to 7111. People using the country’s active Humari Awaz (“Our Voice”) cell phone network are able to update each other about the latest flood news, valuable NGO grant and business opportunities and to make new announcements of support by SMS texting the word FLOODS to 7111. The Humari Awaz social network was launched by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at Government College Lahore during her visit to Pakistan in October 2009. Since the launch, the network’s subscribers collectively have sent over 350 million messages. To learn how to use Humari Awaz mobile users need only SMS the words “HELP” or “MADAD” to 7111.

Public Donation Information:

– The most effective way people can assist relief efforts is by making cash contributions to humanitarian organizations that are conducting relief operations. Cash donations allow aid professionals to procure the exact items needed (often in the affected region); reduce the burden on scarce resources (such as transportation routes, staff time, warehouse space, etc); can be transferred very quickly and without transportation costs; support the economy of the disaster-stricken region; and ensure culturally, dietary, and environmentally appropriate assistance.

– The Government of Pakistan and the Pakistan cellular phone industry are inviting Pakistanis to contribute to the Prime Minister’s Fund for Flood Relief beginning August 5 by texting the amount of their donation to “1234.” A number of NGOs and companies have announced the establishment of trust funds or donations to the Prime Minister’s Fund.

– As Secretary Clinton announced August 18, the U.S. Government, through the Department of State, has established the Pakistan Relief Fund for all to join in the tremendous relief, recovery and reconstruction effort. Individuals, corporations, and other organizations can send much needed help to the people of Pakistan by contributing to this fund at http://www.state.gov. In the U.S., individuals can send $10 through mobile phones by texting “FLOOD” to 27722.

– Working with mGive, Americans are also contributing to Pakistan flood relief by texting the word “SWAT” to 50555. The text results in a donation of $10 to the UNHCR Pakistan Flood Relief Effort. Every $10 helps provide tents and emergency aid to displaced families.

– A list of humanitarian organizations that are accepting cash donations for flood response efforts in Pakistan can be found at http://www.interaction.org. Information about organizations responding to the humanitarian situation in Pakistan may be available at http://www.reliefweb.int.

– More information can be found at:

o www.state.gov/pakistanflooding

o USAID: www.usaid.gov/pakistanflooding

o The Center for International Disaster Information: www.cidi.org or (703) 276-1914

– The in-kind figure is not included in the calculation of the current USG total. It is an estimate of costs to date. The amount will be adjusted as additional information becomes available. – Source