TO ATHEISTS, TO JEWS, TO MUSLIMS, TO MORMONS, TO WICCANS, TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS, TO JWS & CATHOLICS
“You have disregarded the command of God to keep the tradition of men.” – Yeshua/Jesus (rebuking the Pharisees)
Which “command” or “Law” came first in history? The “10” and two highest (and “Golden Rule” which even atheists won’t) dispute, or all the other books; Quran, “Sacred Tradition”, Joseph Smith’s, White’s, the Talmud, and so on? And what word before Genesis to Revelation will you compare that came before? What word survived Noah’s Flood? As for those who say, “The Bible is altered, it’s missing books, and which translation to believe?”: what books can you prove are missing that matter and why would that prevent you from obeying the Law or G.Rule, and how does it prevent you from understanding, “Don’t lie” or “steal” or “murder”? As for “which religion to believe?”: the one that doesn’t contradict the commands and gospel! The one that says not to be bitter, stingy, to help the poor and needy and to even be honest with evil men and to control the thoughts of your heart and not be like a wild animal, but to use reason/logic and to try and be perfect. The religion that acknowledges that you must be born again (receive a perfect spirit of your own that will stay pure and immortal) to become fully immortal one day, and trust Jesus, God’s son in the flesh, suffered the punishment of unimaginable pain and being shunned by God (yet not forever), for the sins of many people and races, for you, if you with sorrow for breaking God’s Law and tormenting his Spirit of mercy and peace by doing so ask for his forgiveness and believe God will then forgive your sins throughout all time and keep his promise to perfect your heart, mind and transform your flesh into what will be immortal and what will never sin again.
For you who in your confusion and false salvation claim salvation is seperate from eternal life and that “salvation is not eternal”, prove to YOURSELF, with careful study, patience and prayer that confusion is true. How is being saved from Hell not the partner of being born again? How if Jesus’ self sacrifice covedered the sins of those born before and after his life on Earth does is not cover FUTURE SINS? Where in Scripture does it teach that after being born again and becoming “a new creature in Christ” that Paul said nothing in Heaven or the earth can overcome, or where in the parable Jesus explained of God the sower of seeds that the seeds which bear good fruit (obedience to God with love for Him) will NOT mature but will rot and be burned up due to man’s free will or due to “Satan”? If the “free will” of man, which God says is “a slave to sin” BEFORE, BEFORE! he is forgiven and Satan can defeat God’s promise to secure for himself eternal children (including his faithful angels), then throw out the Bible, God is a liar, Satan is the winner and “the sting” and “curse” of death is what is truly eternal, inevitable and sure, NOT God’s “eternal life”, Son, any prophets or word, not his salvation or eternal life, not even his forgiveness of sins.
Why would, as Pentecostals teach, eternal life be something you only get after you die? Does man’s “free will” that Pentecostals and Arminians teach trump’s God’s will cease after he dies so that he can no longer command God to send him to Hell? Their teaching is confusion and has no basis in any Scripture, rather it is a lie that contradicts God’s word.
How can you miss the symbolism God used in the literal story where God saves for Himself some humans and angels, like Noah to Paul and so on, like angels Michael and Gabriel and so on, but rejects of HIS own will (not man’s choice with man’s God-limited will) and rejects others, permanently? Where in Scripture does it hint Noah or Michael will one day fall? It doesn’t, because there is no fall in the flesh or by the spirits of the forgiven that will prevent them from full immortality. And there is one more proof in Scripture that makes it clear that salvation is eternal: everyone who know’s the parable of Lazarus and the rich man knows the rich man is eternally in Hell, that a rift impassible prevents him from going to Heaven, even from getting relief for a moment, but who realizes or remembers the rift between Heaven and Hell is impassible on the side of Heaven too? Jesus even said that Abraham could not, or anyone rather give to the rich man that drop of water he wanted. How then can “man’s free will” break God’s promise and send him past the impassible to get eternal death, the “second death”, which is eternal torment and God showing no compassion to your feelings and thoughts forever and refusing to verbally respond to you nor even give you “a sign”?
The complacent will think, “who cares?” and the cultist think, “I’ll understand later” and the arrogant “scholar” deceive himself into thinking he still has some leverage over God. But this message is first for thosd whom God will unblind, not those as with the Pharisees Jesus said that God would keep heart-hardened and blind.
Is it “too good to be true” as a Muslim woman replied? What? Too good to be true that God would forgive some and not others? As opposed to what else? That He would send everything He let be in Hell forever, or the other extreme: every rich one and tyrant to Heaven and everything else?!
Finally, to atheists, what morality (laws) do you obey, and obey perfectly so that you cannot be called a hypocrite and why do you follow those laws? Or, do you just do whatever you feel like if you think you might not suffer for it, and are therefore no better than a “religious hypocrite”?
Judgement Day approaches, death is not far, if you think your life truly precious, then treat it as such.
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Muslims who know the Bible, as you know, the Bible and Qur’an cannot both be true, yet the Quran urges you to read about Isa in the Quran and in the Bible (Sura 5:46; 10:94-95).
The Quran also says in Surah 3:45-47, that some angels said, “O Mary!: Allah announces to you a Word from himself, whose name is ‘the Messiah’: Jesus, son of Mary, and to be honoured in this world and the hereafter, and by those who draw near. He will speak to the people in his infancy and in maturity, and will be one of the righteous.” She said, “How shall I bear a son when no one has touched me?” He replied, “Even so, Allah creates what he wills. When he decrees a matter, he only says to it Be! and it comes to be.”
From the translation of Surah 3:45-47, the Quran appears to be saying that the name of Allah, is “the Messiah”, in other words that Jesus is God.
In Surah 19:16-22 the Qur’an repeats that Mary was to conceive Jesus in a special way, and that there was to be something unique and special about Jesus beyond how he was born. Besides the virgin-birth is emphasized more than twice in the Quran also by the title it gives consistently to him, “ibn Maryam, the son of Mary” and no other female is named in the Quran.
Surah 19:19 says, “I am only a messenger of your Lord, to announce to you a faultless son.” As some Muslims may know from the Bible, many things Jesus allegedly said are recorded. It’s not unreasonable to believe, that even if Jesus’ word were corrupted by Jews, that there weren’t simply inventing things he said, otherwise they would have said that Jesus said things which were clearly sinful, rather than work against themselves by having him say things which made them look foolish and severely evil, and Jesus seem to appear to be truthful and having great zeal for the truth to the point of what many today would call “fanaticism” or “obsession”. The religious Jews, the Pharisees and Sadducees especially would have rather been seen as obsessed and fanatical about the truth, and yet if they were making up things and saying that Jesus said them, then they failed miserably at this, and so great a failure that at least in my opinion, that they didn’t make up the New Testament or corrupt it.
I’m sure that the Quran teaches these things about Jesus and Mary will be evidence to many Muslims that the Quran is God’s word, because why, if it were a deception from Satan, would Satan mention these things about Jesus, and sabotage himself by leading people to Jesus, if through him eternal peace could be found? But to refute that logic all one needs to do is remember that Satan isn’t someone who only tells a pure lie, someone who simply says the exact opposite of everything, but he is known for subtle lies that because of their subtlety, are hard to notice with great attention. And such hard to notice lies steer many people just far enough from the truth. In Christianity an example would the Seventh Day Adventist cult, who are almost a mirror image of true Christians, with one main difference being that they believe that you must be immersed in water (baptized) to be forgiven of your sins and they believe that eternal peace can be lost, forgetting that eternal, means just what it says, and not “temporary”. They also believe that the word of the woman started their branch of Christianity was necessary to interpret the Bible (though may not admit or deny that), even though her word didn’t come till about 2000 years later, which is clearly an absurd belief then. These are a mere three differences in beliefs, and seemingly of no important matter if you are half asleep. In contrast, an easier to notice lie for Christians who knew the Bible well, would be, “Jesus was merely a very wise and righteous man,” or “Just believe Jesus is God and only do what you feel is right for you,” or, “We must obey all the laws in the Old Testament forever”.
The Quran does not teach that Jesus is the savior of the world, that God through others and directly inflicted great suffering and death upon Jesus as transference of punishment, in other words, “a substitute” punishment for others, in order for them to enjoy eternal peace, and that their trust in Jesus as having done this and that he was perfect was necessary for this, and trust that he would return as their eternal king. So no Muslim can truthfully say there Bible and Quran are in agreement in the most important things.
It only took me about about 2 hours to think up and write these questions, and in my exhaustion and because my computer is very slow. My challenge is clear and simple, so, if it takes you longer than a day to refute my concise and simple points with your own, then your religion must be wrong. Here is my challenge: solve my questions with clear, concise logical answers:
(1) If the Bible cannot be trusted because it was corrupted by Jews (or that certain books which were God’s word were magically vanished by the Catholic Church as many ignorant pagans claim), then why do Muslims also claim that it was because God did away with the Bible to replace it with something better? Which is it?: The Jews defeated God or God negated his word? (2) How could a few mere Jews defeat God by corrupting his word so that no one would know what God truly said? Wasn’t God powerful and intelligent enough to tell everyone what the Jews lied about or to hide a copy somewhere to be found later, as he did with the Dead Sea Scrolls? (3) According to one Muslim, the Jews didn’t defeat God, but God allowed himself his word to be corrupted, but if that is true, then why would God allow his word to be corrupted? (4) Why was God’s first word not important enough to protect? Was it because man’s word, man’s lies, were more important? And note that though God allows man to ruin things which he made and things which man makes so that he can serve God, (5) If God’s word is perfect and nothing which is perfect thing can’t be made better/improved, why then do Muslims say that God’s “second book” (the Qur’an) is better then his first (the Bible)? (6) How does saying, “God didn’t protect his word” change the fact that God’s first word was defeated, that the Jews had victory over God’s first word? Victory means: “A successful ending of a struggle or contest.” If someone turns my word into a lie, how did they not achieve victory over my word even if I let them turn it into a lie? (7) If the answer is, “God wanted the world to believe in lies” then why not simply allow some copies of his word to be corrupt and some to be correct? Why replace what he said with another book? (8) If it is not blasphemy to say that God allowed his first word to be defeated by very small amount of Jews, then why is it blasphemy to say that God represented himself with a messenger which he allowed the patriarch of Israel, Jacob, to defeat in a game of wrestling between a Father and his son (loved creation)? (9) Why didn’t God simply say “what was best” with his first book? In other words: Why did he make an inferior one? Wouldn’t that be a reasonless waste of time? (10) Why did God only allow a few people to know his first word? Wasn’t it worth showing to the whole world, to billions of people, and nos just a few, like Moses, Joshua, Aaron, Isaac, Jacob, Esau, Ishmael, Jesus and Mohammed? (11) If the words of the original Bible cannot be known, then how can anyone, let alone a Muslim, claim that the Quran is superior? Aren’t you are making an imaginary comparison if you cannot show anyone the original Bible? (12) If God can simply negate his word, then why should anyone believe he won’t do so with the Quran? What is the evidence that he won’t negate his statements and what he implies in the Quran if he merely throws away what he says before with no evident reason why? (13) Not only are you unable to compare the original Bible with the Quran, but you can’t even show that there was another word of God, which again, is because you claim that no one can know what it is. (14) How is the Qu’an better if the Bible has more historical evidence, and less debatable evidence? (15) Why if the Jews didn’t want anyone to know that they corrupted the Bible, but instead wanted the world to believe that they were trustworthy, would they often mention that most of them were evil in nearly everything they wrote about themselves? The prophets Isaiah and Daniel also spoke of themselves as sinners. Further, as one anti-Christian Muslim pointed out, the Bible even says, “How do you say, We are wise, and the Law of Jehovah is with us? Lo, certainly the lying pen of the scribes has written falsely.” (Jeremiah 8:8). Before that Jeremiah said, “from the prophet even to the priest everyone deals falsely.” – Jeremiah 6:13. The prophet Isaiah said, “Woe: a sinful nation, a people heavy with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, sons who corrupt! They have forsaken Jehovah; they have provoked the Holy One of Israel to anger; they have gone away backward. Why should you be stricken any more? You will revolt more and more; the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even to the head there is no soundness in it; only a wound and a stripe and a fresh blow; they have not been closed, nor bound up, nor soothed with oil. … Bring no more vain sacrifice; incense is an abomination to Me; the new moon and sabbath, the going to meeting; I cannot endure evil and the assembly! Your new moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; they are a trouble to Me; I am weary to bear them. And when you spread out your hands, I will hide My eyes from you; yea, when you make many prayers, I will not hear; your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil; learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. [(Correctly)] judge the orphan, plead [(mercy)] for the widow.” (Isaiah 1:4-6, 14-17). King David said, “All have gone aside, together they are filthy; there is none who does good, no, not one.” (Psalm 14:3). Even in the Books of Moses it says, “Jehovah said to Moses, I have seen this people, and behold, they are a stiff-necked people.” (Exodus 32:9), “Jehovah said to Moses, “Behold, you shall sleep with your fathers. And this people shall rise up and go lusting after the gods of the strangers of the land into which they are going, into their midst. And they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I made with them. Then My anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them. And I will hide My face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, Have not these evils come on us because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide My face in that day for all the evils which they have done, for they shall turn to other gods. Now, therefore, write this song for you, and teach it to the sons of Israel. Put it in their mouths, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel. For when I shall have brought them into the land which I swore to their fathers, the land that flows with milk and honey, and they shall have eaten and have become satisfied, and become fat, then turn to other gods and serve them, and provoke Me and break My covenant. And it shall be when many evils and troubles have found them, this song shall testify against them as a witness. For it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed. For I know their imagination which they do, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I swore.” And Moses wrote this as a song the same day, and taught it to the sons of Israel. And he commanded Joshua the son of Nun, and said: Be strong and of a good courage. For you shall bring the sons of Israel into the land which I swore to them, and I will be with you. Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of Jehovah, saying, Take this book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, so that it may be there for a witness against you. For I know your rebellion and your stiff neck. Behold, while I am still alive with you today, you have been rebellious against Jehovah. And how much more after my death? Gather to me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, so that I may speak these words in their ears, and call Heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you. And evil will happen to you in the latter end of the days, because you will do evil in the sight of Jehovah, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.” (Deuteronomy 31:16-29). And in the Book of Mark it says: the Pharisees and scribes asked [Jesus], “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat loaves with unwashed hands” And he answered and said to them, “Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. However, they worship Me in vain, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.’ For you lay aside the commandment of God, but hold the tradition of men” (Mark 7:5-8). And in the Book of the Doctor Luke, it says, “a certain Pharisee asked Him to dine with him. And He went in and reclined. And when the Pharisee saw it, he was amazed that He had not first washed before dinner. And the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees make the outside of the cup and the platter clean, but your inward part is full of plunder and wickedness. Fools! Did not He who made the outside also make the inside? But give alms of such things as you have, and behold, all things are clean to you. But woe to you, Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and pass over judgment and the love of God. You ought to have done these, and not to leave the other undone.” (Luke 11:37-42). And in Book of the Apostle John it says, “the Pharisees said to Him, You bear record concerning yourself; your witness is not true. … Abraham is our father. Jesus answered them, If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth which I have heard beside God; this Abraham did not do. You do the deeds of your father. Then they said to Him, We are not born of fornication; we have one father, even God. Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word. You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of lies. And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.” (John 8:13,39-45), and, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets, and decorate the tombs of the righteous, and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Therefore you are witnesses to yourselves, that you are the sons of those who killed the prophets; and you fill up the measure of your fathers. Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, behold, I send prophets and wise men and scribes to you. And you will kill and crucify some of them. And some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city; so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Berachiah, whom you killed between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, All these things shall come on this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate. For I say to you, You shall not see Me from now on until you say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.” (Matthew 23:30-39).
16) Why would the Jews let everyone know that the Bible could be corrupted or lost if they wanted to deceive everyone into thinking it was true? Are only bad things that God says about the Jews true? Doesn’t even the Quran say good things about Jews and even Christians, and that they will go to Heaven? 17) Why do anti-Bible Muslims say certain verses in the Bible are evidence that the Bible is corrupt because it says it can be or was totally corrupted? It’s a contradiction to say, “These verses are God’s true word” but to also say, “The Bible was lost“. 18) Why are there countless archeological evidences for the Bible and almost none in comparison for the Quran? Further, the Quran’s evidence is heavily disputed. Shouldn’t the opposite be true if the Qur’an is a superior version of his word? Here are examples of evidence for the Bible discussed on various websites (and in one pay-to-read document):
Note: if any links are expired or not working you might still find them on archive.org just copy the url into the second search engine on that page:
Biblical cities (1)
General archeology (2)
Jerusalem wall (6)
A Dead Sea Tablet Which Indicates Christianity Was Original Religion of the Jews (7)
A Pay to Read Article (8)
Petrified forests (18)
geological evidence which refutes Big Bang/evolutionist geology (19)
General: Why I Don’t Have Faith In “No God” (20)
Joseph’s tomb (22)
The James Ossuary (an ancient/human bone storage box) which says, “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus” 23
Pre-flood Archeology (24)
The Shroud of Turin (27)
Bible Prophecies (this isn’t archeology directly but ancient prophecies have been verified at times by ancient archeological research 28)
Geological: Island formation (29)
Here is a list of 100 alleged contradictions in the Bible and here are even more contradictions and arguments against the Bible, all shown false, which shows the hopelessness of arguing against it. I personally have refuted over 400 arguments against the Bible, and many variations of them, some of which I thought of myself, but I haven’t finished the book yet and it isn’t available. Here are examples of alleged evidence for the Quran: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7). I’ve included the supposed Muslims evidence along with arguments against them, because anyone can show a list of evidence with no challenges (and my journal contains or links to hundreds challenges against the Bible, all of which turned out to be illogical arguments). (17) Which verse in the Quran replaced and is better that this one?: “Don’t lie.” (18) Which passage in the Quran replaced and is better than this one?:
One of the teachers of the law came and heard [(the Sadducees and Jesus)] debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important? “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.