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The Truth vs. ‘Traditionalism’ In the Calvinist Baptist and Presbyterian Church (Universal Church)

In reply to the Baptist traditionalist at of the Southern Baptist Convention, who spoke against the doctrine of predestiny (or just “destiny”) a.k.a. Calvinism and speaking as if its teachers/believers of such are being unfair by not promoting anti-Calvinism (yes, that absurd) at the blog post https://soteriology101.com/2015/06/22/calvinism-in-the-southern-baptist-convention/

 

What do you mean by “doctrinal bias”? You’re obviously not saved. It isn’t their BIAS, IT’S WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS WHO GOD IS AND HOW SALVATION CAN ONLY WORK. It’s not a preference of opinion or a sway or an illogical view like YOUR BIAS.

Truth is not about giving equal time to any belief, to conservatism and liberalism or whatever, it’s about WHAT, IS, THE, TRUTH. HOW, DOES, A PERSON, GET, SAVED FROM AN ETERNITY IN HELL. NOT, “Oh you’re hurting my feelings by only saying what you believe the truth way and life is”. Huh? Christ didn’t say to preach opinions and diverging views on salvation. You’re crazed and sinful. Scripture says there will be blemishes among the church, ugly spots, sure that can mean certain leaders and teachers, but if you admit THE MAJORITY of the true church, which comprises Calvinist Baptists and Presbyterians preaches 95 percent that GOD’S WILL IS ALWAYS DONE, and you claim without evidence that “many” Southern Baptists “embrace” (how about BELIEVE, CAN YOU SAY BELIEVE?), obviously your way of hyping a minority view, then WHO COULD THE BLEMISHES, the ONES CAUSING DISHARMONY, DISCORD, DIVISIONS BE? It’s those denying the majority belief. And wow, lol, “traditionalism” eh? Are you Catholic? Are you a Pharisee? Tradition vs God’s word eh? Truth is certainly a tradition, but calling some view a pretentious name just as atheists will call themselves “Freethinkers” or the “rational” ones doesn’t change the fact that they are illogical slaves. The fact is: salvation is promised by God to those who cannot earn it and never would based on HIS CHOICE, HIS WILL, HIS PLANS, HIS SON’S SACRIFICE, HIS BLOOD AND SUFFERING AND DEATH AND RESURRECTION, not our whims and corrupt feelings and will, on our unreliable inconsistent choices. You want the gospel to be, “Congrats, you have a choice, free will, are allowed to be complete king over your own life, oh and Christ died some sort of death they say to make that happen, now if you pick my view you’ll have some neat friends and we can watch sports, drink and smoke together and sing Grateful Dead songs and classic rock and think about all kinds of worldly things rather than those booooooring Bible songs and studying doctrines all day on bleah, “destiny” and “God’s will”, how boring that kind of Creator and Savior are! Oh yeah so on the gospel, so you can lose your salvation if you feel like because God is a respecter of persons, knows your will is equal to His, and that true Father’s who love their sons and daughters and the angels eternally wouldn’t torment them with his horribly boring (oh how I fear the possibility God is an eternal bore!) so called “love” but let you dig into that cool place, do-what-you-feel-like land of the free called Hell where you can never get out of, but just ignore that contradiction, wait, I shouldn’t have mentioned that because I should stay true to being intellectually dishonest. Man but my teaching is so much easier to accept than that maddening destiny stuff where God faults us for every little thing even though He says He’s controlling every single thing! So yeah, the good news is you can go to Heaven if you accept Christ as Lord, Lord, Lord and savior and go to Heaven or Hell if you feel like it and get born again a few times in a row in case you backslid and lost your salvation by accident. So, yeah, you might go to Hell, you might not get saved, yeah, good news, uh, yeah, so uplifting and something to shout on the rooftops and get persecuted, tortured and brutally murdered over and have your family including kids and pets destroyed over. Hey now lets have some worldly fun to cheer ourselves up with after that little talk.”

Wow, so you want that crazy gospel, that crazy life to be the optional “traditional” way offered and taught to Christ’s children, to His sheep? Save that for the goats and go join the liberals and libertines. Go to Four Square and Pentecostal crazed churches where you can go crazy all you want babbling such incomprehensible babble all day and not need a translator or proof it’s of God.

And NO, God doesn’t simply, “control all things” and “your will”, the Bible says He accomplishes his will, plan through indirect ways including direct, but He doesn’t hypnotize anyone. He absolutely uses force, but salvation isn’t “forcing a sinner to love God or face the facts begrudgingly”. That’s how your kind thinks because God has kept you blind and your heart hardened and mind unrepentant so that you don’t have God’s love in you. To you it’s an inconvenience and annoyance, a cruel “fact” of life you hope to eternally ignore so you can promote your own so called “truth” and “love” and “reasoning”. But you hate all three true versions of each so much so you simply refer to some “many”, to three Christians, avoid SCRIPTURE and true reasoning, and an appeal to tradition, like a cultic Catholic or Pharisee or Ultra Orthodox Judiaiser. People like you are the true Pharisees who make up or pander to the countless rules of men but despise the core laws of God, to love Him with all your being and to love your neighbor as yourself and do to others as you’d have done to you. Like it or not God already chose who he’d save and had nothing to do with some kernel of goodness or foreseeing they’d choose to love him, will force every rebellious knee to bow, and He will force the goats out and throw them in Hell and keep his own children pure and in ecstasy forever. If you want Hell as an eternal choice, you’ll get more than that, that will be all you have, Hell and nothing else, as Christ said, whatever you have will be taken away and even what’s left over will be gone. You’ll have less than nothing in Hell forever. So if you don’t want that, then take God’s threat fully seriously for once and truly repent if you can and stop obsessing on having to give up sinful friends, thinking and living.

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A ”Calvinist” Message to Arminians׃ ”Eternal” means ”ETERNAL”

July 21, 2012 1 comment

I’ve noticed that many people want to learn about Chuck Missler’s belief about salvation, which George Noory prevented when he had him on as a guest, talking over him when Chuck started to preach the gospel (Chuck’s version). I don’t remember what my last article said, if I pointed out that Chuck was an Arminian, but I probably did since his website makes it clear he is one by one or two of the books he sells. An Arminian basically is someone who believes that they have a will that can’t be influenced by God, and that by their will than can magically choose apart from any influence at all, whether or not to accept God’s salvation from Hell / forgiveness of their sins / or not and can lose that salvation by the same will, by simply thinking to themselves they don’t want it anymore, so it seems to me. There’s no evidence for there belief, but that’s what they believe. A Calvinist however believes that salvation is is eternal, because God simply says it is. God says, “eternal life”, and that you get it after you’re forgiven, not, “after you die.” And why would it come after you die?! Why not now? Arminians forget or they don’t know that to be born again is to get an eternal spirit, not simply the Holy Spirit, but your own (hence why the Bible says before forgiveness a person is dead inside, like it repeated in Psalms twice “their throat is an open sepulcher” (which is a grave) and why Jesus called the Pharisees white washed tombs that no one knew they were walking over (meaning people didn’t recognize that those evil religious hypocrite teachers had no spirit, and were in that way, dead inside, they didn’t have eternal life, didn’t have a pure spirit that couldn’t sin and always loved God, rather, had a soul and heart that only hated God, and were headed for Hell forever). If Jesus meant they were literally dead inside, then Jesus would be talking to dead people who couldn’t hear him say that to them, so obviously, he meant spiritually dead inside, and figuratively meant it. If they really did have a spirit, it would be pure and unable to sin as Paul taught in 2 Timothy 1:7 and Romans 8:15.
While looking again to see what Chuck believes, came across a post in a forum that linked to a YouTube video of a seemingly sincere person who, unfortunately, though exposing Chuck as a smug liar, instead, used it as an opportunity to smear all Calvinists as being just like Missler. I said to him:

You seem sincere in your “conscience seared” video, so, unlike what is usual, I’m not immediately angry with you, in other words, you seem genuinely deceived to me, rather than just being a malicious troll, although you’re not allowing comments at all, that makes me wonder. But here’s where you go wrong:

Missler, on his own site, with his own books, makes it clear he’s an ARMINIAN. You do know what that is right? So, out the door goes your claim that he REALLY believes in eternal security. That’s a dead argument, that makes your video flat out wrong.

Second, do you know what a psychopath is? Psychopaths have no conscience, and can’t be believed, even when they tell you what they sincerely believe, that’s because THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE. Paul in the Bible implied you can know if a person is saved, at least as in have faith based on evidence, the same is with a psychopath, though you can’t see their heart of mind, you can pick up certain things that indicate enough that you can be sure (just as you can be “sure [of] your salvation” as the Bible puts it, or know like you claim to be able to know, that a person’s conscience is seared. Someone like Chuck, is not a conscience-seared person, you can tell, because he’s not simply a cold hearted liar, but he thinks it funny to lie about things which involve the heart of the Bible, the heart of our lives, third, he repeatedly contradicts himself: he didn’t just contradict himself in what you picked up and showed, but flips again on his own site. But, he promote Arminianism, NOT eternal security on a regular basis. So you’ve actually got it backwards. Is that a good sign that a psychopath promotes “uneternal security”? That defeats what you’re implying, which is that it’s the people with seared consciences that promote eternal security, it makes it the opposite.

Next: you clearly don’t know Calvinists, clearly, otherwise you wouldn’t be slandering or libeling them, and that you block comments is a bad sign, obviously you don’t like people pointing out to you verses that show eternal life is, guess what: eternal. Next, if salvation can be lost, it would also mean you could gain it back and also get out of Hell too, since not even Hell is forever. It would also mean God isn’t even eternal. It would also make God the author of confusion since you couldn’t tell if he really meant eternal or not. It would also make Jesus’ death futile, and him stupid, for suffering and dying for people that he knew would be lost anyways. It would also mean God ISN’T in ultimate control, that our will can defeat his, which is nearly blasphemy. It also contradicts that the Bible says DESTINY, as in God predestines. It would also contradict, and this is blasphemy, God saying he eternal loves his children, however, if he’s sending them to Hell forever, where there is an eternally unbridgeable gap as Jesus taught in the parable of the rich and poor man, then they would be eternally separated from his love since Hell is a place of eternal wrath. Even if you argued God doesn’t hate the worms he put in people down there since they don’t sin, and even work for him, fine, but is that how a father who loves his children treats them?: eternal wrath (intense anger) and an eternity of what God says is not life? Further, God DOES NOT say all are his children, how did you forget “You are of your father the devil”? So clearly, unlike what Arminians like you teach: God not only does not love everyone, but CLEARLY hates. “You hate all who do wrong.” Further, the Bible says those who are born again have an eternally pure spirit, how then could then end up sinning in such a way as to end up in Hell forever!? On top of that, the gospel is not, “Jesus suffered and died for sinners in vain which you can lose by merely making a wish and failing to love God or losing faith for a moment, but then get it back by loving him again and regaining faith” no, that is blasphemy you teach, and makes God fickle and a slave of our will, of imperfect fickle man, it’s, “Jesus died FULLY for sinners”. He covered all sins for a person WHO CAN BE SAVED whom HE INTENDED TO SAVE, not “Just died for everyone, the end.” And God is not obligated to love and die for everyone, as you know, because no one deserves it, or do you think you don’t deserve punishment? So don’t say, “But God has to save me.” No, he never promised that, in fact he made it clear he only intended to save a limited amount in his covenant with Abraham: you and your seed, not “seeds” as Paul points out, and not “the other seeds.” Hagar was cast out, not “she was covered too but God threw her out because he doesn’t like slaves” or whatever you make up.

Eternal means ETERNAL, not “TEMPORARY”. Salvation isn’t temporary, it’s SALVATION. God’s love isn’t temporary, IT’S UNDEFEATABLE. How can man’s hate withstand God’s love? It has to give in. So if you find yourself “losing” your salvation every other day, and finding you need to be baptized all over again, what’s that say about you? It says you are still in your sins, that you still need to be washed, since the sins still have not come off, not even with a hundred baptisms. Water doesn’t save, God’s word does, the true gospel, not yours that makes people twice a child of Hell, that temporary salvation band-aid you offer as “eternal love and salvation.” It’s you who are contradicting yourself.

https://eternian.wordpress.com/life That’s the gospel.

[end of my letter]

I also say this also to him and all Arminians: How did you forget that God says he hates divorce? Once he’s spiritually married himself to us as he does when he saves us? He even says he’s sealed his Spirit in us too, and that only our feet need to be washed since we’ve been cleaned, meaning our walk with Christ improved and made straight, in other words our sins have already been washed away, we’re eternally secured, but we still have a temporarily corrupt body that sins and doesn’t walk straight/obey Christ all the time, and needs to be tempered while it lives, otherwise, as Scripture says, we’re bastards, because God isn’t punishing us, and “bastards” do exist as Scripture teaches in various ways, as I pointed out with Abraham and Hagar earlier in this letter. Lest you bring up that God divorced Israel, no: Paul said “All Israel is not Israel” again: bastards, they were not all God’s children, and God wasn’t divorcing the good with the bad obviously, but meant he was opening up his salvation to others and no longer giving them alone special attention above all other nations. The huge amounts of blessing he gave to even the evil people of the world, especially the United States, who Israel has been depending on heavily for its defense, and who even helped cause it to become nation with land of its own again, with nearly the same borders it had in ancient times.

There’s another problem with those who believe salvation can be lost: many of you, if not all of you, (arrogantly) seem to think you can get it back. Twice the Bible says no, and in a horrific way:

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.  Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.  How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit. For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. – Hebrews 10, and:

Luke 8:4 …when a great crowd was gathering and people from town after town came to him, he said in a parable,
Luke 8:5  “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell along the path and was trampled underfoot, and the birds of the air devoured it.
Luke 8:6  And some fell on the rock, and as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture.
Luke 8:7  And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up with it and choked it.
Luke 8:8  And some fell into good soil and grew and yielded a hundredfold.” As he said these things, he called out, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
Luke 8:9  And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant,
Luke 8:10  he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’
Luke 8:11  Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luke 8:12  The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.
Luke 8:13  And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.
Luke 8:14  And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature.
Luke 8:15  As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience. [ They do not fall away, they do not wither and die, nor does Jesus say that any of those seeds that didn’t bear fruit, that any every did: You either are saved, or never saved.]

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. – Hebrews 6

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Calvinism vs. Arminianism: Is Carm.org Controlled by Free Willers/Arminians?

A few minutes ago I just looked at a site on carm.org that had explanations as to why “If God is love why would he send billions of people to Hell?” which are topics I wrote about a day or two ago and last year and which related to free will, because groups of certain belief types bring it up. While reading it, I came to this disappointing answer:

Second, if someone says that it is wrong for God to allow someone to be born and who will go to hell, then would he rather have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin? If the critic says he only wants those people born who go to heaven, then how are they truly free and how would that fulfill the ultimate plan of God to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of mankind?

This answer seems Arminian-like to me, because they have an obsession with free will, as in a belief that their free will is above God’s or free of his will (which are wrong and false beliefs). It makes no sense, because by that logic than the angels that never sinned, which God’s Spirit no doubt prevents from sinning (just as it directly or indirectly causes humans whom God loves, to do true good) are not free, or that humans that are “filled with the God’s Spirit” don’t have free will or rather, are “robots” or “zombies” as certain Christians, especially Mormons, would say. It also does not make sense because it implies to other wrong things: 1) that free will is sacred and must not be turned off or it’s some sort of sin God would be committing, and 2) that God could somehow get a person to sin by controlling their will directly, which I think is implied because of this part: “would [you] rather have God remove [your] freedom to rebel against Him … then how are [you] truly free [unless you can do what offends him? (etc.)]” Do you see how sick that sounds? That is how those who hate God, and Arminians think though. It sounds very sick to a person like me who loves God.

Does the Bible Contradict Itself On Our Responsiblity for Our Actions and Free Will?

November 4, 2010 Leave a comment

At 9:41 AM, I thought I had realized a new contradiction in the Bible (but it was actually brought up in the Bible itself over 2000 years ago in Romans 9:19). What I thought was: If God’s will is always done, than how can the Bible say we sin against him by going against his will? In other words, if whatever we choose to do was God’s will that we do so, how can we be sinning? Isn’t it like giving us permission to break his commands if he wills that we break them? Strangely and ironically I’ve not noticed any Free Will obsessed Christians (many of whom can be called Arminians) seeing this point as a contradiction. It reminds me of how atheists who oppose Christianity look for contradictions in the Bible, but because of their lack of concern for truth and opposition to truths that go against the will of their mind and desires of their heart, and so read the Bible in a shallow and sloppy way, don’t notice “contradictions” I can see. Also, some Free will obsessed Christians try to be knowledgeable about the Bible and understand it, but neglect having concern for the genuine truth about salvation and how it relates to free will, but these types of Bible-investigating Free will obsessed Christians, when they hear another Christian say that God’s will is always done, or that God forces creatures to do things that they don’t want to do, will become angry about that, and rather than reading the Bible carefully and noticing what might be contradictions in their beliefs or, like me, noticing what can appear to be contradictions in the Bible itself on that matter, are self-obsessed with justifying their beliefs, and so search for verses that “prove” them, and ignore ones that seem to them disprove them, or realizing that they do, but still ignoring them. And some, when a verse is shown to them that they cannot twist into a lie, will either stall (like studying the verse or pretending to be studying it) till the person who showed them that verse take their attention elsewhere, or will ignore that person, or say to them, “Well I believe the Bible has mistakes” or “contradictions”, which ironically when they say, is almost like making God the author of sin, which is an accusation they accuse Christians of accusing God of, who teach that God’s will is always done. In other words if a Free Willer hears a Christian say, “God’s will is always done,” they sometimes will accuse that Christian of teaching that God is the one who causes sin, who is responsible for it, and teaching that man doesn’t have to take responsibility for their sins. That may sound holy, reasonable and righteous for these Free Will Christians to say, but really they are either angry that someone has said something that is against their belief that God really isn’t God over them (because they hate being reminded that God is their highest master and punishes disobedience to his laws, but don’t realize it) and see, “God’s will is always done,” as false humility and so in their misunderstanding of it being false humility to teach such a thing, persecute those true Christians who teach it. Or, these Free Will Christians are instead jealous of Christians who teach such a thing, because it shows true humility and love for God (in combination with other obedient acts), and so it makes them look like false Christians, like liars and hypocrites, who instead of showing loving submission, are exposed as being self-centered and as being hostile towards God, and these Free will Christians will sometimes try to save face, and impulsively say in anger, basically say, “I’m more righteous than you you so called, ‘Christian’ because I take responsibility for my disobedience against God, but you blame him when you sin by saying, ‘His will is always done.'” And these Free will so called Christians, in their hatred, forget that we who say, “His will is always done,” also say, “His will be done,” which Jesus also commanded them to pray.

But back to what seems like a contradiction to me: If God’s will is always done, how can he accuse anyone of having sinned when they break one of his laws, or commandments? I may have heard this contradiction brought up around 1996 or 1997, on a radio network called Family Radio, but only remember hearing the response of the main host, Harold Camping, who gave a reply like, “There is God’s stated will and his unstated will,” and he was trying to say that we are to obey his stated laws, but not to try and go with his unstated will. Whether that was in response to what someone saw as a contradiction or who wanted clarity on the matter, I don’t remember, but that response wouldn’t to me, explain away the contradiction.

Here is a question that might clear up that there is no contradiction:

“If God willed a person to break a law he commanded them to obey justify or permit that person to break that law, or would they still be guilty of doing a disobedient act for breaking it?”

According to what the Bible implies, you would still be guilty. It clearly teaches God is in control of everything except the initial decision-making process of the mind, which makes a plan of action, a plan that can be as simple as, “I plan to drink this and not drink that,” but that God’s plans, even if they are against that person’s plans, will be what is done. So if someone plans to drink a glass of milk instead of water, but God has planned that they drink a glass of water, he will either make the milk unavailable, undesirable from it’s taste or smell, or prevent it from being accessed till the person drinks the water instead and/or he will change that person’s desires so that it causes them to change their mind/their plan.

In what seems to be rare instances to us who can’t see invisible things that go on, God will force a person to do what he wants them to do (there is even a figurative verse in which God almost directly says, “I will force you to drink this cup of wine”. The Bible seems to say that he uses angels to do such things, and in some cases one angel, and that that angel was actually Jesus, and not an angel at all. For example in the Bible, Israel would be about to be attacked by some other country, but God would stop the attack by putting fear overwhelming terror and confusion in the heart and mind of that army or turning it against some other army or immediately killing it somehow, like with a plague.

But, is there really a contradiction?: If God says, “Don’t hit any trees,” but wills that you do, even saying, “It is my will that you hit the trees in front of you,” and makes it so that you have such a strong desire to do so that you do hit them, have you done wrong by hitting those trees? Why would you not be guilty, or not have done wrong merely because God overwhelmed you with the desire to do wrong?

I think the difficulty for people in seeing that there is no contradiction may be due to the common problem in confusing the heart with the mind: God doesn’t change a person’s mind as in causing them to think, “I will disobey God by doing this,” and then somehow forces them to sin (and while writing that I remember the Bible even says that God doesn’t tempt anyone, but that they are lead astray by their own lusts), what he does is put them in a situation so that, just as I pointed out the Bible says, will commit a sin due to the lust in their heart, and the heart isn’t the mind, it isn’t the part that can commit a person to an act, that is what the mind does, and humans and other living things often if not most of the time (not including permanently forgiven Christians), let their mind commit to the decisions that their heart wants to commit to, but which can only do so through the mind, and the mind, unlike the heart, is able to analyze information and has instant access to it, whereas the heart is blind, which may have something to do with the saying, “Love is blind,” (and unfortunately, especially in these “last days”, the world justifies whatever it wants to do merely because that is what they have a love for, even if it’s abusing someone or themselves. So what people get confused over is thinking that God is forcing their mind to commit a sin, and therefore they are not guilty, but what happens is God manipulates their heart in some way, either directly, or by putting them in some situation where their heart will cause them to commit some sin. God also blinds the minds of people, that is prevents them from realizing certain information, and also puts them in situations so that they don’t or won’t have access to certain information, or puts them in situations where they have easy access to false information. But again, he does not force a person using their mind to commit a sin, because if he did, it wouldn’t be their will will that was acting, but him, suppressing it, like demons seem to do when they possess a person.

But if this is true, some might see a contradiction in what Calvinists (a type of Christian) teach, which is that no one can turn to God without God drawing them to Him, which Arminians (a kind of Christian that is in a way, opposite of Calvinists) take as meaning, “God forces the mind of a person to be sorry for offending him and to ask him for forgiveness to have eternal life one day.” But Calvinists don’t say force or imply it. John Calvin, hundreds of years ago, already made this clear in his short list of points on the condition of man and how God saves them, saying that God makes his grace (unearned love) “irresistible” to those that he wants to save, so that they will turn to him for eternal life (which means living in his presence forever with perfect obedience to his laws without any conflicts with Him). And irresistible in that a person’s HEART will cause their mind to change it’s view of God. But is that all God means by “draw”, just causing them to feel his love, or does it involve some sort of pulling, pushing or forcing against a person’s will, like as the evil anti-Calvinist Hank Hanegraaff might say, “what a rapist would do” (but which wouldn’t make God a rapist even if he were to do, since God’s love is not the “love” of a rapist, let alone a human one)? God does not say what he means exactly by draw, and in Strong’s Concordance it shows that the meaning of the word “draw” is similar to another Greek word, which means, “to take for oneself”. That word “draw” is also used in verse in which a Samaritan woman draws water from a well. So all that can be said that this drawing involves, is what I already mentioned the Bible teaches: manipulation of the heart, physical situational placement (which affect the physical senses of sight, smell, sound, touch, hearing, pain and pleasure) and information hiding and giving. Part of the confusion might also be due to the verse in which Jesus says to his disciples, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you…” (John 15:16) in which Jesus implies that he is talking about their choice to be saved and to do obey God (and also obey Him by showing only love for Him). Some who read that or hear a Calvinist say that might mistake that for meaning that God forces a person to choose, or negates their will and that they are then like a mindless computer, and there might even be some false Calvinists who teach that, or ones who mistakenly imply or teach that for a while or moment. But when Jesus said that he chose the disciples, he didn’t necessarily mean, “You don’t make choices, you are robots, you are mindless computers.”; he was in agreement with what this verse says:

We love Him because He first loved us.” – 1 John 4:19

And I’m not ignoring a contradiction by merely saying, “Jesus agreed with this verse”, I know he was in agreement with that verse since one: Jesus said he spoke in riddles, and the Bible said he did this often, and his disciples even showed great relief according to one verse when he spoke plainly. And second, Jesus repeatedly said in various ways that man was responsible for his sins. But when it came to good deeds, Jesus made it clear that such “good” was only possible if God had love for that person, which you could say, is at least part of what 1 John 4:19 meant. Third, John, whichever one that wrote 1 John 4:19 (and it may have even been the same John that wrote John 15:16) was a Christian, and Christian means, “Christ-follower”, and John spoke as a Christian. No one argues that he did not, so it’s reasonable to say that John taught what Christ taught. So, again, I have no merely made the claim that Jesus wasn’t saying something insane, or contradicting himself.

I wish I could have made this explaination simpler and more clearer, but besides showing the world that neither I nor other Christians, or at least Calvinist Christians, are “one-sided” and are actually clearer on what could be seen as mistakes in the Bible, that for anyone who thought this was a contradiction, or might be, that there is no mistake there, and so no reason to not have faith in the Bible, or lose faith in it.free will paradox, free will contradiction, the Bible on free will, arminian vs calvinism, Arminianism vs Calvinism, Arminius vs Calvin, Arminians vs Calvinists, Calvin on free will, Arminius on free will, are we robots, are we computers, does free will exist, humanity and free will, what does the Bible say about free will, what the Bible says about free will, does God override free will, free will vs Calvinism, free will arguments, free will debate, free will discussion, free will subject, refutation of free will, refutation of Calvinism, refutation of Arminianism, refutation of Arminians, refutation of Calvinists, destiny and free will, destiny vs free will, contradictions in the Bible on free will, what did God say about free will, man’s free will vs

Arminian and Universalist Christians Refuted׃ The Limited Love Arminians

September 2, 2010 4 comments

I was studying Arminianism again, and found two websites which, big surprise, made claims without evidence.

The first one:

“As informed by St. Augustine, this view espouses the notion that God, out of love, has sovereignly chosen to save a few (the elect) and has, in like manner, not chosen (not elected) the many. We have trouble with this, since it limits God’s love.”

My reply:

1) And whatever you a mere man or others have trouble with means God is wrong? How are people blind to such arrogant, childish, criminal reasoning? “Mom, dad you’re not doing what I want, this troubles me, therefore… ur bad.” I don’t think so.

2) It’s Arminians and Universalists who limit the greatness of God’s love to their personal feelings of what great love is:

How is God’s love “limited”? Do you mean, “it’s not great” or literally it must apply to everything? If you mean it’s not great, aren’t you blaspheming? For if God’s Son had only sacrificed his son for one person, who in the Hell are criminals to say “that’s not great,” you’ve love is limited, let alone, “you trouble me God”? Who are you to condemn God for his will for not fulfilling your desires? But does the Bible say Jesus only died for one? No, it implies millions, and yet you cheapen every one of those he suffered and died for, as if it were some easy thing that you could do. Talk about disgusting arrogance! On top of that, does he say that he will only love those he died for? NO! IT TEACHES HE WILL KEEP THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL, AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF EVER MULTIPLYING CHILDREN! SO YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS SAYING “LIMITED”!

3) Were you are so simpleminded, so childish in logic, that you literally meant that God should love everything? Do I even need to point out how such a claim contradicts itself? Focus: “everything”? “Every, single, thing”? If you can’t figure out why that is an evil thing to say, you need to pray for wisdom with humility, not false humility, without bias.

4) God has trouble with your blaspheming.

Then I came to another website and read some screed (yes I picked up that word off that bitter atheist I mentioned some posts ago, but it fits so well for what I read, part of which I quote here):

“It is not our intention to go into a detailed complicated theological analysis of each point in each belief system, but only to highlight and summarise the core differences between them.”

But then the fools near the end of their screed say,

“The God of Calvinism sacrificed his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for his Elect only, and he predestined only his Elect to be saved. This must also mean that he predestined, knowingly and willingly, to cast the vast majority of humanity (the non-Elect) into hell to be tortured forever. This makes the God of Calvinism an evil god, infinitely and unimaginably more evil than Hitler could ever be.”

My reply:

1) Let me guess why you Royal “It is not our intent” Jeeve’s Bring Me More Wine Snobs didn’t get into analyzing each point, not even with a single sentence… because you’re confused, blind, ignorant morons who know Calvinist doctrine refutes whatever argument you can come up with; because you know many verses in Scripture contradict your bitter lies. What verses teaches God goes along with man’s will over his own, anywhere? But plenty can be shown that it’s just the opposite, and I’m not repeating for your lazy selves since they are easily found.

2) Where’s the evidence that God is evil to predestine? NONE. Therefore you’re blaspheming, and of all things to blaspheme over: God’s character and will; could you be anymore evil than that? Talk about “hypocrisy” and “blasphemers”.

3) Doesn’t the Bible say that we should suffer for doing evil if it is God’s will? How is that not a big enough hint that God is right now matter what he does?

4) How Arminians and Universalists, do you reason, God is evil if he predestines people to Hell because, WELL JUST CUZ! CUZ IT’S “MEAN”, but not for making even a single being he knew would sin and end up in pain? Contradict yourselves much? Ignore verses that refute you much?

5) “Mean” and “evil” and “cruel” to who? Who gave you narcissists and you arrogant babblers the right to speak for millions of ever multiplying Calvinists? Did we say God is cruel or evil? So what business do you have declaring for all, speaking for all of us you claim are evil on top of it, as to what we think of God, how we feel about him, you arrogant snobs? Talk about “arrogant” and “vain”! GOD, IS, GOOD, GOD, IS, LOVE. Stop calling him evil and a cosmic rapist.

6) Why did you leave out that Jesus of his own free will and out of love, volunteered to be sacrificed Mr’s and Ms’ We Have Free Will and Unlimited Love But God’s Is Limited? Did you forget that extremely unfathomably great act of love? You didn’t think it was worth mentioning? What a strange thing to not mention in your summary of the different types of Christians for people who without their mouths put love and freedom on a pedestal above God.

7) If God predestines “the elect” to be saved, is he evil for going against their will to be saved? According to your demonic logic he is.

8) If God doesn’t go against anyone’s will, you must not believe “predestine” when you read it. You’re truly deluded.

9) Where does God mention “second fruits”? If the elect are both the first and the second (in contrast to Christ being a kind of firstfruit according to God), then where is this “second/third” you imply exists? Where’s your verses to show for it? None: you just babble in vain pretending you’re right.

10) ” to cast the vast majority of humanity”: LIE. Did you notice any verses in Scripture that say that the elect will have kids to no end?

11) ” to cast the vast majority of humanity” as opposed to what, ONE PERSON? So if God sends one person or a small amount of people to Hell, theeeeeen it’s okay if he predestines to torture forever? And why bother saying “elect” when you’re problem is with sending most people to Hell, and not “electing”? Or is “electing” an evil bug to you too?

Your, “Our will is ours! You can’t touch it God!” belief and teaching = life-destroying pride. You false Christians pretend to love God, and their arguments are pretentious, hypocritical, confusion that makes God the author of confusion and lies.

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Post link: http://westboro.tk or http://arminians.tk

This is a complete transcript copied off Facebook, of Arminians conversing with each other, and me joining in at one point and then being argued against by them, due to their inability to keep back their hatred for true Christians for long. There is a picture below of part of the page with some parts which I blanked out for privacy and security reasons, and only modified one part of the transcript to avoid confusion, which is where I said, “Let’s look:” which formerly was “Let’s lookL”, which was a typo. Here is the transcript, which shows how Arminians use childish, insulting and deceptive arguments, repeat themselves rather than listen to why what they’ve said is wrong, as if they were broken records, and contradict themselves in the usage of arbitrary and hypocritical arguments:

Curtis Reinas Prophetic Worship??? What the!?! Prophetic Worship??? Some one help me out here, PLEASE!!! Prophetic Worship??? SMH Um, could SOMEONE PLEASE SCHOOL ME on Prophetic Worship and where we see it in the bible…or is it simply yet ANOTHER WAY to make merchandise out of Gods people as “they” SELL their music. Prophetic Worship…biblical???
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Jeffrey Glen Wicker ‎1 Cor 14 is all bout prophecy in the corporte gatherings. i dont know what context you ar makin these remarks but it should be forth telling what god has finally said in Christ not new revelation (Heb. 1)
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Becky Stein
Revelation 19, “…that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. ”

John 4:23-24, “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in tru…th: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”See More
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ALexander Ruiz Prophecy must line up with Gods word. There are people calling themselves prophets like crazy on Facebook, coming out the woodwork of profiting off of peoples ignorance…
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Brandy Conner Bell idk what you are referring to here, but I am a worship leader, and when I lead worship in song the Holy Spirit speaks to me and I sing out what I hear Him say. I’d say that is prophetic worship because I am voicing what God is speaking. It always encourages, corrects, etc.
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Ralph Dotson Smh Right wit ya Curtis,lol lol!!
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Prophetess Leesa Welch Brother Curtis…..FALSE Prophets are examples of the propaganda you speak of….please check your inbox in a few…but I will say that in Exodus 15:20-21 as the children of Israel crossed the red sea…Prophetess Miriam took a timbrel gathered the women and prophetically danced before the Lord.
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Prophetess Leesa Welch ‎@ Brandy…. Amen THAT IS PROPHETIC WORSHIP…you sing HIS WORDS…
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Jubilee Trumpet The Psalms are full of Davids songs and many prophetic of Christ, the word might not be there but it is there.
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ALexander Ruiz Curtis pray for discernment. There’s to many self proclaimed prophets your right…many of them have on fancy clothes and are,all about the love of the world.Not to say God doesn’t have prophets in the earth…but as many as are on Facebook, just isn’t jiving…
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Joe Brown Shatan is sneaky and slick. If someone is dancing around speaking in tongues, I’d be leary. Yashua is the way not a fruit loop possessed by a “spirit”. They make themselves out to be a prophet but I say where is the Christ like humility in that. From what I have seen, it’s more like profit than prophet.
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Prophetess Leesa Welch
‎@ Alexander..you are VERY correct in your words AND I agree that MANY call ‘themselves’ prophets, ministers, apostles,etc. on facebook and beyond. It is essential that the Lord calls and ordains one….. it is also essential to take and te…st the spirit by the spirit…. a prophet’s word should be THE LORD’S WORDS and NOT their own…. and I encourage ALL…. as I shared with Bro Curtis….. to test and try ANY & ALL words that He uses me to minister with the Word and Spirit….ask HIM how I am living….. I don’t mind… those in the ministry AND we as Christians are subject to line up our words and lives with Jesus!! AMEN!! :)See More
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ALexander Ruiz Amen! That’s my point when God uses one to speak to me ill know, as only Gods knows my inner man, what I’m facing. Indeed a servant of the Lord will never lead one from the book…Im speaking about those ear tickling profit lieing for a buck type of frauds…like revelations speaks about false apostles…
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Prophetess Leesa Welch ‎@ Alexander… I know what you mean :)….it is also essential to remember that it is written that God HIMSELF will expose and correct those whose heart is entwined with false and perverse motives as they ‘minister’ to His people. Me, I pray for them that when they are enlightened by God…. that they will repent and seek after Jesus….pursuing an intimate relationship with Him!!!!
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ALexander Ruiz Me I defend the faith and by Gods Spirit reprove the deeds of darkness…I’m just sick of all the false teachings in America, the idols and strongholds… Share the gospel, fight the good fight…
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Rochelle Clark
Curtis, I just want to say that this biggest turn off ever that I had concerning any church or gathering or belief was when I went to a service with my mother. These people were making songs out of and mocking other peoples faith in God. an…d this was there practice of worship. I do believe that there is ignorance in man made traditions within the church that is not biblical, in many churches infact. Let us remember that God sees the heart of the believer and we are all in different places in Him. So please keep in mind that if you see this on someones posting or wall, I would suggest you pray for them and then maybe ( suggestion) in a spirit of humility and love approach them on a personal note? It may very well be that people are selling books and cd’s and other things that we may feel is not right but who am I to judge another mans faith publicly, when God looks at His heart. Could we not say of all of us that there are things we do out of ignorance or that we feel is right and others do not but if we were going to listen and hear someone else quoting even truth to us, wouldnt it be better recieved. Correction that is… From a heart of love and not judgement or condemnation, mockery or some sort of accusation?See More
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Ahn Matthews Yes Curtis and it seems someone always wants to have a title.
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Loyd Parker Me..just a simple son of God, with the high praises of God in my mouth! Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name…….
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Curtis Reinas
Worship is worship…I know what worship is and I also know the biblical definition of worship…but to “label” worship as “prophetic worship” is BEYOND me. These people don’t “write songs”, they “prophetically” or rather “spontaneously” be…gin to play music and then whatever comes out of them is “the song”…and then once the song is sung and recorded, they “title” the song, package it and then SELL IT.

So every single song EVER sang/sung for Jesus MUST BE “prophetic worship”. Am I wrong? Well according to some comments I would be EXACTLY RIGHT! Not that I agree with that.

Now WE ALL KNOW the DANGER of SELLING ANYTHING that God has freely given. COUNTLESS Christians SELL what God has FREELY given them and they make ALL KINDS of WORLDLY EXCUSES AS TO WHY ‘they’ have the right to over ride The Words of Christ, “Freely ye have received, freely give”. Whether it be “Christian books”, “Christian music”, “T-shirts”, “Bumper stickers” and the list goes on…BUT TO LABEL SOMETHING “Prophetic Worship” and then turn around and SELL IT??? Woe unto them! That’s BAD!!!

So, as far as “Prophetic Worship” goes…as of now, I AIN’T BUYIN IT! Not in merchandise OR in Truth. I was introduced to “it” many years ago and really thought nothin of it but that it was EXTRA SPECIAL music…well since “SOMEONE” loaded my in box with tagged videos of THEMSELVES “prophetically worshiping” (for marketing purposes ONLY as discernment has proven), I’m now QUESTIONING it…SERIOUSLY questioning it.

As far as the “titles” go here on fb or in person…if ANYONE gives themselves a title of “prophet”, “evangelist”, “apostle” ahem, forgive me, I almost puked…to me, that proves only ONE THING! They are NOT. And YES I DO BELIEVE in the existence of what “church” calls the “five fold ministry”.See More
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Curtis Reinas
Rochelle, I do understand!
…it’s when you’ve exhaustively given your all to show someone the error of their ways and you’ve ONLY used scripture IN CONTEXT to support Christ’s (The Words) view that we are not only able, but COMMANDED to re…buke and even reject that individual…been there, done that and even received my REJECTION from the apostate hirelings venomous tactics.

Simon the sorcerer was a NEW CONVERT, a literal BABE in Christ in Acts…go read it. Peter VEHEMENTLY rebuked him. So as I defend and confirm the gospel, sometimes i can be as harmless as a dove and as long suffering as Christ Himself, but at other times I can be as FEROCIOUS as a lion. Depending on Christs Spirit moving in me…it’s HIM in us, not we of ourselves…See More
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Becky Stein Proverbs 8:13, “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.”
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Curtis Reinas ‎…and I’m thinkin this “prophetic worship” stuff is OVERFLOWING with evil, pride, arrogance and SELF promotion. SMH
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Ann Blaha Prophets don’t sell the word given them from the Lord. The word of the Lord is free to all. When people make videos for sale, they are seeking fame and fortune. That goes for all the professional musicians that have made multitudes of videos for marketing.
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Isabel Nalley what does “spirit and truth” have anything to do with what these people are trying to pull? just another marketing ploy
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Dawn Reinas
Prophetic worship is just a name given to worship as led by the Spirit, it’s spontaneous. BUT, we should’t be recording it to sell to the masses. Writing books, selling songs, all freely given to them by God. What right do we have to sel…l anything that God gives to us freely? When you turn around and sell something like this, you are really saying “I wrote this song” and/or “I wrote this book/teaching” with an emphasis in ‘I’, and since I wrote it I have a right to sell it. So you, in a sense, give yourself credit for the wisdom that comes from God, and sell it as if its your own to sell. As if it belongs to you. What right do we have to sell something that God gave to us? NONE.See More
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Curtis Reinas SELF will NOT accept such truth wife…Freely ye have received, freely give is IGNORED all for the sake of S-E-L-F. After all, we are all sinners and Christ died for our sins and where there is no more remembrance of sin, we sinners can live anyway we so desire because Jesus loves us JUST THE WAY WE ARE!!! ALL LIES IN HYPOCRISIES!!!
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Daniel Knight
Did you mean to say that Jesus loves as lying hypocrites? If so you should know that God doesn’t refer to saved Christians as such, but says that formerly we were drunkards, homosexuals, etc., so we are no longer hypocrites. It means in the… sense that we are no longer living a life in which all we do is sin, and sin less and less over all. And Christians can be identified because especially in public, they don’t want to be seen sinning, unlike people of the world, who with regards to at least certain sins, don’t care or show it off.See More
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Daniel Knight Also, Prophetic Worship sounds like a nonsense term, a typical catch phrase that silly Charismatics and Pentecostals (the type who believe salvation is in their hands and not God’s) would come up with. It sounds no more logical that Laughter Worship or meaningful than Spirit Worship, Joyful Worship, Mourning Worship, Listening-to-God-On-High-Worship, Anti-Satan Worship or other things you can invent like that. It’s silly. I just stick with the Bible and be content with the usual phrases that are more readily understood.
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Tuyet Mai Thi Lai
freedom of worship>David sang, danced and played in all sorts of styles so there is freedom in worship, but do so with integrity.
the cd and book or even the bible publication> there are definitely finacial needs in the production line, some… expensive costs may involved but yes, we should sale or buy with spiritual discernment.See More
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Daniel Knight Oops I meant “than Laughter Worship” not “that Laughter Worship”.
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Curtis Reinas Tuyet…what you just wrote does nothing for Truth at all. All you’ve done is justified NOT living by faith. ALL lies in hypocrisies
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Dawn Reinas If God wants a book published then He will provide the financial means to do so because He can not go against His Word. So for all those who sell books and teachings and prophecies and music, and you cannot support yourself without charging you, then you are NOT hearing from God on the matter.
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Daniel Knight
Something though that you should know Curtist and Dawn, and everyone, is that I’ve found that is extremely difficult to get anyone to read anything I’ve written let alone a one page gospel explanation, unless your selling it. I don’t mean s…ell the gospel I’m just giving an example. These days many people, at least those with money to spend on “extras” see a free book, ESPECIALLY a religious one, as worthless if it is not priced, and I get the impression not priced at at least $3 or $4.99. This isn’t the attitude of everyone, and of course a poor person seeking spiritual help who has little would treasure such a possession, but for those with money to spend on things they don’t need to survive (so they think), will see such things as worthless or of little value. Of course they can change after buying it or getting it for free, but when many people see it has a price, they correctly get the impression that it has value and that it’s being sold because someone out there wants to buy it. That is why I intend to put my currently free books up for sale, so that it spreads into public bookstores and libraries. Do you see? Do book stores “sell” free books? And how many libraries do you know acquire books that had no price, that list anonymous works? I’ve never seen an anonymous author in a library, though of course there would be famous ones from ancient times there or within other books with a price and ancient books for which no price was known.

But for the sake of spreading the truth, a book should be given a price these days to get them into greater public view, rather than remaining obscure. I’ve had trouble, great trouble, getting my free books to be carried by churches even, especially Pentecostal / Assembly of God ones. And Arminians hate my works when they realize I am Calvinist and will not read them, except in hopes to find I’ve made an error perhaps, or to steal credit from me.

That doesn’t mean that you have to price a book and such a price to make a personal profit. But if you do, that doesn’t mean that the book has to be bought. For example everyone knows that in most American bookstores you can sit down and read a book every day till it has become worn out and never buy it, and you can even look and smell a little like a bum till too many people complain of course and starts cutting into the store’s profits.

You can also “sell” a book so to speak in such stores with the understanding that you are being paid for your preaching, like the way a pastor etc., gets a portion of the “Sunday” donations. So long as you are allowing your religious-subject-centered works to be read for free, there is no violation, and if a store forces people to pay before reading or reading past a certain part, that is not your fault, and regardless, at least whoever reads will be exposed to what you wrote and their attention focused on it. On top of that, if they keep the book or CD, whatever, in good condition, they can return it to the store for a profit and get money back.

And also keep this in mind, the apostle Paul was poverty stricken, and came to a point where he commanded certain Christians to give him what he needed to continue his ministry because they were holding back what he needed. So, it isn’t unreasonable that if a Christian is not even getting what he needs to survive let alone live decently, that he is doing no wrong if he is selling a religious work, so long as it does not contain the gospel, which truly should be free. But even if the book does contain the gospel, there is a “trick” so to speak, in which it can be unattached to the book, or like those annoying cards in magazines, simply be tugged out a little to free it.

Also, the Bible does indicate that many false Christians will betray the fewer true Christians in the last days, and that it will steadily get worse, and that many Christians will die in persecution, and that even the Catholics will be persecuted greatly by the Anti-Christ. So it isn’t as simple as you seem to imply, Dawn, “You’re not having enough faith in God’s word” or “You’re not listening to what God said (which is to have faith that he will give you what you need to survive). Also, it’s a wrong teaching to imply that when Jesus taught not to worry because he would provide what you needed to live decently, that he mean ON EARTH. That same misconception is used by pastors seeking to gain from their congregations and others with tithing, a concept which false Christians and even some true ones have twisted to mean giving of your money (which the Bible does not associate with tithing at all anywhere). So, it’s incorrect to teach that God will simply provide everything a Christian needs to do whatever good they want to do, he does not say, “I will give you x amount of money to do this at this time” or “Since you want to do this good thing I will give you the means to do it and you will live x amount of time.” It’s not like that, God’s will is done and he goes with his plans, not our will and plans UNLESS it matches his. Though the Bible does teach that the more righteous you are, the better chance you have in succeeding at whatever good you want to accomplish (as is taught by the “fervent prayer of a righteous man” verse, or however it is worded, and as is taught by some other verses).

If you are going to condemn the selling of religious works, condemn the selling of evil religious works, and rebuke those Christians with little to no ministry, who have little interest in furthering their ministry, who have money beyond what they need to live comfortably, who won’t give that money to a Christian who needs it more or who could better use it to spread the gospel or help Christians become better Christians. Remember that passage Jesus told, the riddle of the workers to whom were given money by their master, and one of them buried the money so that it gained his master nothing, and his master condemned him for it. Would Jesus condemn a Christian who used his money, especially a little money, to spread right teachings of the master into public stores all over the world for people to be saved? No way, unless that servant’s intention was to use the money he gain for evil reasons, or to waste it on excessive comforts, things that were not necessary for them to live a decent and stable life towards God.

But the kingdom of God is not about profit or selling religious works or services, but in having joy in the Spirit in things which are clearly good and cannot be argued against as being evil, so if a Christian offends you by such a thing within your church or near to you, let them know so they will stop, and at the very least, not do it where you will see it.See More
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Daniel Knight
Every Christian should remember to pray strongly for wisdom in all of God’s word, especially that which God considers most important, and to let them know especially what would help them help others in their area rather than simply learning… what others already know and could tell them. Just remember, that the greater your wisdom in God’s word, the greater the risk you will fall into the sin of pride: boasting in what you know without giving any indication that God made it possible for you to learn what you did, and the greater judgment you will be under if you keep your wisdom to yourself when you know you should have shared it (a thing which false, though somewhat wise Christians, afraid of persecution, will definitely do, and by doing, add to their eternal condemnation).See More
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Loyd Parker Whew! Long winded exhortation! Now let’s get to preaching Christ and Him crucified….doesn’t take as long, and a soul could be saved! Away with endless debates and bickering…Go preach the Gospel!!!
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Curtis Reinas Simply contending for the faith my brotha! simply contending for the faith…
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Loyd Parker I wasn’t referring to your comments, Bro. Curtis….some folks hog the “pulpit” and don’t know when to say “Amen”….Keep up your good stuff!
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Curtis Reinas I gotcha bro!
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Angelique Frew I am just as stumped. I have no idea what that is about.
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Tuyet Mai Thi Lai ‎@ Daniel’s> ty for sharing the insight in this field :)
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Daniel Knight ‎@Loyd Parker it’s actually arguing / bickering when you overgeneralize like you did and smear everyone as bickering, it’s little different then the hypocritical “you shouldn’t judge comment” which is a self-negating statement. And I was done talking about this…
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Daniel Knight ‎@Tuyet Mai Thi Lai thankyou, and whatever I said true, it’s thanks to God.
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Daniel Knight ‎@Loyd Parker “Long winded exhortation” The Bible is also a large exhortation, do you have a problem with it or any of Paul’s letters, which are much longer than mine here? Seeya.
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Curtis Reinas
Well Daniel, I’ve been holding back so I must now speak. My wife and I despise Calvinists BUT ONLY AS The Lord despises Calvinists. We HATE what The Lord HATES and we LOVE what The Lord LOVES.

What I see Loyd doing is simply taking what you… wrote and generalizing it as “long winded”. If you re read your comments, you actually revert back into the “promotion” of “selling” what The Lord has FREELY GIVEN you simply because no one will read “your” writings because there’s no price tag on it. Justifiable “lack of knowledge”. There is NO WAY anyone can take a wrong, mix things up a little but through “justification” of the wrong, and make it “right”.

Calvinism is a damned doctrine. We’ve studied it out and found it to be damnable AND heretical. Now I’m not here on this thread to debate the lies and deception of Calvinism…but my point is this, Christians for years have been “marketing” the gospel in so many ways, shapes and forms, depending on the arm of the flesh to meet their needs. “Prophetic Worship” is simply another manifestation of “depending on the arm of the flesh” in order to GET.

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Dawn Reinas Amen Curtis! Daniel, I do not agree. Selling teachings and prophecies is making merchandise of God’s people, period. The ends DO NOT justify the means. That’s really all to be said. Freely you have received, freely give. In other words, do not charge people for any inspirational music, teachings, wisdom, prophecies that you receive from God. Simple.
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Dawn Reinas And one more thing – Curtis and I do not agree with the doctrine of John Calvin. In researching that doctrine and studying the scriptures, that doctrine is found wanting.
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “Well Daniel, I’ve been holding back so I must now speak. My wife and I despise Calvinists” – I could tell you were not saved because you rant incoherently and your wife spoke out against the obvious: which is that you can s…ell a book without actually selling it AND AT NO PROFIT TO YOURSELF, showing LESS CONCERN FOR THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL LIFE AND MORE ABOUT JUDGING OTHERS REGARDLESS OF ANY GOOD THEY DO, LET ALONE SHOWING PEOPLE HOW TO GET ETERNAL LIFE, ONE OF THE MAIN COMMANDS OF THE BIBLE, neither of which are traits of a Christian who is forgiven of their sins. AND, your wife unfriended me and magically forgot why, and now that you say that you strongly hate Calvinists, it is obvious why she did so. It is also not a trait of a Christian to ignore obvious evidence kindly made available for you as to why it is heresy and blasphemy to claim that you can earn God’s love, let alone to do so and not even bother asking yourself if such a thing was possible after having read the Bible (you have read it haven’t you?).

And you also gave another sign that you are not saved, you said you despise Calvinists: to despise means “To strongly hate”. And ironically, the Bible refutes Arminianism in a few close-together concerning that AND THE TOPIC OF SELLING RELIGIOUS WORKS TO SURVIVE AND CARRY ON YOUR MINISTRY AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF LIFE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF IT, WHO ARE NEEDY OF SALVATION:

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love God whom he has not seen?

1Jn 3:15-17 Everyone hating his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has everlasting life abiding in him. By this we have known the love of God, because He laid down His life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But whoever has this world’s goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?

“We HATE what The Lord HATES and we LOVE what The Lord LOVES.”

Does “the Lord” Mr. “Lord Lord did we not sit with you” / “get away from you who when you saw the needy did not help them and so did not help me” – does the Lord say he hates Calvinists, for teaching, as I said on my previous profile when your wife was linked to it, and which is there now again: “GOD’S LOVE IS FREE”? And you also said,

“What I see Loyd doing is simply taking what you…”

And you meant talking with an L obviously, and as I said, you are ranting nonsensically: NO ONE simply “talks” who is trying to make points and has done so as Loyd, and I even with very short replies pointed out his stupid comments which also applied to you as I pointed out, and yet magically, he’s just typing words??????? Are you not blind to the utter obvious? If all Loyd was doing was typing out words, you’re saying than THAT HE WAS MAKING NO POINTS AND MERELY RANTING, IS THAT A CHRISTIAN THING FOR HIM TO DO? AGAIN YOU WHO ARE SO HARD TO SEE THE UTTER OBVIOUS WITHIN A SHORT SENTENCE:

IS IT CHRISTIAN TO CALL THE BIBLE LONG-WINDED, LET ALONE ONE OF PAUL’S LETTERS, AND TO IMPLY THAT WRITTEN WORKS WHICH ARE LONG SHOULD BE INSULTED RATHER THAN PRAISED IF THEY SAY ANYTHING GOOD AND WHOSE POINT FOR BEING WRITTEN IS TO CEASE BICKERING AND ARGUMENT? IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG TO CALL SUCH A WORK “ARGUING AND BICKERING” ITSELF? But that’s not insulting to you huh Mr. “I Despise My Brothers”? It’s “merely talking”.

Well by that crazed judgment, we Calvinists too, are “just talking”.

Goodbye Mr. Arbitrarily Defend Other Arminians For the Sake of Showing Your Strong Hatred for Those Who Teach That God’s Love is Free and that God’s Eternal Peace Made Free by the EXTREME LONG RIGHTEOUS SUFFERING OF GOD’S ONE AND ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST TO THE POINT OF BEING STRIPPED NAKED, NAILED TO A CROSS, SPEARED AND SHEDDING HIS HOLY BLOOD, AND DYING ON A LOWLY CROSS, ALL THAT IN PUBLIC, NEITHER CAN BE EARNED BY THE “FILTHY RAGS” FROM “DESPERATELY WICKED” MAN.

TAKE THAT TO HEART IF YOU HAVE ONE: GOD IS LOVE, NOT “GOD IS HATE” MR. AND MISSES “IT’S OKAY FOR US TO HATE BECAUSE WE MERELY JUST TALKED BY SAYING IT CAME FROM GOD.”

You are taking God’s place as is anyone, when you make a claim without evidence, especially on something that has to do with God’s character and salvation, which you despite your pretense, show that you care more about YOUR VERSION OF “LOVE”, AND YOUR VERSION OF “SALVATION” being made known, which you outright say is “despising” others, rather than loving your brother, and obeying the second greatest law: LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

I hope this wasn’t “just talking” to you Mr. Attack the Calvinist for No Logical Evident Reason, but Defend the Attackers Who Argue and Insult and Express Evil Hatred for Christians Which They WITHOUT EVIDENCE Claim Is Righteous Hatred That Comes from God WHO IS LOVE.See More
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Dawn Reinas
Daniel I did forget why I deleted you, so do you think that your indirect accusation would just fly by me? Another thing, we are not Arminian.

And because you do not like what Curtis has to say to you doesn’t mean that he is not saved. Cur…tis hates the doctrine of John Calvin and so do I. It’s wicked and evil and makes Jesus something He’s not.

And you assume wrong by thinking we believe you can earn salvation. You are full of false accusations and assumptions on what we believe, and simply because we said we are not Calvinists. And most Calvinists we come across do this VERY THING. They accuse us falsely and pretend they know all their beliefs because they assume we are Arminian. They get angry if we don’t agree, they have accused Curtis of not being saved. And on and on and on….

Goodbye Daniel, if this is how you act then this is why I deleted you before. You told me privately you have problems socializing and are lonely and spending your birthday alone and all this ‘woe is me’ stuff – all in a private message which was inappropriate since I’m a married woman. And you go on and attack my husband in the flesh – well your original motives are clear. Why did you not write my husband privately with your lonely problems?

I guess it doesn’t matter to you right? You can sin like you did and still have the guarantee of heaven. After all, YOUR Jesus only atoned for the sins of some of the people and since you are the ‘chosen one’ then you can practice all the sin you desire and still die and go to heaven.

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Curtis Reinas
It’s called slander wife…something The Lord DESPISES ALSO.

What Daniel has written is typical for John Calvin followers. The very SAME Satanic spirit that over took John Calvin ALSO overtakes his followers. Since “they” can’t get us to con…form to their damnable heresies and join their schism, they do their BEST to categorize us into a schism (Armenian) which adamantly opposes Calvinism. It’s Satan’s OLDEST trick.

Look at Daniels comment how he falsely accuses me. Look at his anti-Christ rants, slander and vain attempt to condemn me by trying to make me “lend my mind” to the most vile of slanderous lies, “that I’m not saved”.

This only PROVES ONE thing…I AM saved! Not by my own WORKS by by Christ Who WORKS IN and THROUGH me! Praise The Lord ALMIGHTY for exposing the deceitful workers of iniquity and for CONFIRMING His Holy Word!

Psalm 139:17-24

How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

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Daniel Knight
‎@Dawn Reinas “Amen Curtis!”

And you give an Amen to your husband with an exclamation mark because…? What’s your evidence Dawn? Let’s lookL

“I do not agree.”

Oh, because YOU don’t agree, because YOU feel it is wrong then it should not be done, REGARDLESS OF MY “LONG WINDED” explanation as you to why you are wrong, you argue and bicker (no surprise you do that if your husband claimed Loyd’s comment was “just talking” and really made no point though and when he just ignored whatever good things I said and brushed off MY POINT FROM THE BIBLE WHICH SAUS NOT ARGUE OVER DISPUTABLE THINGS, DAWN). Does the Bible say, “Dawn and Curtis are God, do as they feel and do as they command?” NO. But since you have ignored God word which says not to argue about disputable matters, and I pointed out why it says that: I have replied again to you about this subject. What Dawn, was so hard to see about my “long winded” (rant), where I pointed out the Bible says not to ARGUE over disputable matters and TO CARE MORE ABOUT PEACE AND JOY IN THE SPIRIT? IN OTHER WORDS, TO SIMPLY OBEY GOD IN WHAT YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD DO? Where is the “Amen Daniel!” to that Dawn? Instead you obsess on your dogma and husband who cares so little for it, can hardly be bothered to make a grammatically correct sentence. And why not if this is life and death and you “love truth and hate lies” as you imply? If God strongly to the point of sending people to Hell FOR ALL ETERNITY (and STILL LOVE THEM, NOT HATES THEM, YOU ARBITRARY ARGUMENT ARMINIANS – AGAIN: YOUR OWN TEACHING IS THAT GOD LOVES THOSE HE SENDS TO HELL, SO WHY DO YOU SAY “AMEN CURTIS!” TO HATING THEM, AND NOT EVEN GIVE A LITTLE EVIDENCE FOR WHY YOU ARE RIGHT TO HATE EVEN ONE PERSON?) – IF GOD WILL SEND PEOPLE TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, SHOULDN’T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CARE TO MAKE A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT SENTENCE WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING YOU PUT IN CAPS AND SHOUT ABOUT, AS YOU DID HERE, WITH MULTIPLE QUESTION MARKS:

“Prophetic Worship??? What the!?! Prophetic Worship??? Some one help me out here, PLEASE!!! Prophetic Worship??? SMH Um, could SOMEONE PLEASE SCHOOL ME on Prophetic Worship and where we see it in the bible…or is it simply yet ANOTHER WAY to make merchandise out of Gods people as “they” SELL their music. Prophetic Worship…biblical???”

And here:

“SELF will NOT accept such truth wife…Freely ye have received, freely give is IGNORED all for the sake of S-E-L-F. After all, we are all sinners and Christ died for our sins and where there is no more remembrance of sin, we sinners can live anyway we so desire because Jesus loves us JUST THE WAY WE ARE!!! ALL LIES IN HYPOCRISIES!!!”

Would you like to go to an English teacher to confirm your sentences here are corrupt? Example, it’s “Lies in hypocrisy” not “hypocrisies”. Though that part is minor, your errors pile up and form rants over all. Instead of yelling crazily how about being calm so you can think more clearly which you obviously have a problem with, so great that it slipped right past you and your wife that you are misleading, that it is against the second greatest law to hate anyone, let alone that you treat God carelessly and are using him as a tool to promote your own gospel.

And Dawn, you used an evil tactic here:

“Selling teachings and prophecies is making merchandise of God’s people, period.”

Did I say “merchandise” anywhere? Did I say “sell crosses”? And where does the Bible say it would be wrong to sell crosses anyways? Christ taught not to turn the church into a store and to give what God gave to you for free, free yourself, and in context, he means the religious wisdom on what his word means and the gospel freely, not just whatever free gift he has given you. If we gave away whatever God gave to us for free, there would be nothing to sell since everything belongs to God and he lets us borrow it all, and you would be sinning yourself (and are in a way since you say it is wrong) by selling and buying anything, since, again, it all belongs to God (and is lent to us freely, OF GOD’S OWN FREE WILL). Or are you serious when you teach directly or indirectly that GOD IS UNDER THE WILL OF MAN? Even when you read that Christ said, and under extreme pain that would break any mere human: “But not my will, yours be done”?

I will not Dawn repeat the reasons, the clear reasons I gave for you saying that selling teachings and prophecies is wrong as you misleadingly say by oversimplying if with a sentence like that, another mislead, because you’re giving the impression that I said, “Sell the Bible and prophecies God gave you without letting anyone know what it was he said”, WHEN I SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE DAWN AND WHICH YOU JUST INSULTINGLY IGNORED BY STUBBORN REPEATING YOURSELF. How would you like it Dawn and Curtis if I said to you, “God is not love and there is no point in being loving like God” and you explain a large amount (long winded remember?) of good teachings to me from the Bible as to why God is love and why you should be loving, and I ignore it all and reply again with:

“No…! wroNG G0d is NOT love!!! and there’s no point in loving him AND JUST LOVING EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS!!!! which you said and believe in do you not?????????!!!!! Well but oh so wait you ChristianS so called!!! LIES IN HYPOCRIES IF THAT’S TRUE THEN I’M LOVING ME SOME SIN, AH HAH CHRITIANS CONTRADICT AGAIN! AMEN TO ATHEIST HUSBAND AND ALL MY ATHEIST FRIENDS! AND I LOVE DESPISING YOU CHRISTIANS!”

Wouldn’t that be an extremely disgusting response and something to truly despise to a great effort in love, love with patience? Yet you treated me the same way, showing contempt and “despising” for it, virtually saying that I am worthless, that any good I said is worthless, merely because, I’m a Calvinist, the same kind of reasoning racists use. Do you know what bigotry is or not care Mr. and Mrs. We Hate Christians Who Oppose Our Feelings In the Name of God?

“period.”

Dawn, “period” is not evidence, the force of your emotion is not evidence, your feelings are not evidence, period. The evidence for that claim?: Read the Bible, it implies that God’s word is to be used as evidence, not “I Dawn with confidence have said, “This is so, amen and period.” Or “If 5 billion Arminians say “Amen” then it is so.” That is false religion and a hatred for truth.

I’ll say it again: The Bible says not to argue over disputable matters but to take joy in doing what everyone knows to be right in God’s Spirit. So how about listening to your Arminian brother Lord at least, and ceasing arguing and bickering, and preaching “the gospel”? How about that gospel of eternal life, the eternal life that both Christ and John said is in those who love their brothers and enemies? Didn’t I put a link, and don’t I always, on my profile as to how to get that eternal life? So what is your excuse?
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “Well Daniel, I’ve been holding back so I must now speak. My wife and I despise Calvinists” – I could tell you were not saved because you rant incoherently and your wife spoke out against the obvious: which is that you can s……ell a book without actually selling it AND AT NO PROFIT TO YOURSELF, showing LESS CONCERN FOR THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL LIFE AND MORE ABOUT JUDGING OTHERS REGARDLESS OF ANY GOOD THEY DO, LET ALONE SHOWING PEOPLE HOW TO GET ETERNAL LIFE, ONE OF THE MAIN COMMANDS OF THE BIBLE, neither of which are traits of a Christian who is forgiven of their sins. AND, your wife unfriended me and magically forgot why, and now that you say that you strongly hate Calvinists, it is obvious why she did so. It is also not a trait of a Christian to ignore obvious evidence kindly made available for you as to why it is heresy and blasphemy to claim that you can earn God’s love, let alone to do so and not even bother asking yourself if such a thing was possible after having read the Bible (you have read it haven’t you?).

And you also gave another sign that you are not saved, you said you despise Calvinists: to despise means “To strongly hate”. And ironically, the Bible refutes Arminianism in a few close-together concerning that AND THE TOPIC OF SELLING RELIGIOUS WORKS TO SURVIVE AND CARRY ON YOUR MINISTRY AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF LIFE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF IT, WHO ARE NEEDY OF SALVATION:

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love God whom he has not seen?

1Jn 3:15-17 Everyone hating his brother is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has everlasting life abiding in him. By this we have known the love of God, because He laid down His life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But whoever has this world’s goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?

“We HATE what The Lord HATES and we LOVE what The Lord LOVES.”

Does “the Lord” Mr. “Lord Lord did we not sit with you” / “get away from you who when you saw the needy did not help them and so did not help me” – does the Lord say he hates Calvinists, for teaching, as I said on my previous profile when your wife was linked to it, and which is there now again: “GOD’S LOVE IS FREE”? And you also said,

“What I see Loyd doing is simply taking what you…”

And you meant talking with an L obviously, and as I said, you are ranting nonsensically: NO ONE simply “talks” who is trying to make points and has done so as Loyd, and I even with very short replies pointed out his stupid comments which also applied to you as I pointed out, and yet magically, he’s just typing words??????? Are you not blind to the utter obvious? If all Loyd was doing was typing out words, you’re saying than THAT HE WAS MAKING NO POINTS AND MERELY RANTING, IS THAT A CHRISTIAN THING FOR HIM TO DO? AGAIN YOU WHO ARE SO HARD TO SEE THE UTTER OBVIOUS WITHIN A SHORT SENTENCE:

IS IT CHRISTIAN TO CALL THE BIBLE LONG-WINDED, LET ALONE ONE OF PAUL’S LETTERS, AND TO IMPLY THAT WRITTEN WORKS WHICH ARE LONG SHOULD BE INSULTED RATHER THAN PRAISED IF THEY SAY ANYTHING GOOD AND WHOSE POINT FOR BEING WRITTEN IS TO CEASE BICKERING AND ARGUMENT? IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG TO CALL SUCH A WORK “ARGUING AND BICKERING” ITSELF? But that’s not insulting to you huh Mr. “I Despise My Brothers”? It’s “merely talking”.

Well by that crazed judgment, we Calvinists too, are “just talking”.

Goodbye Mr. Arbitrarily Defend Other Arminians For the Sake of Showing Your Strong Hatred for Those Who Teach That God’s Love is Free and that God’s Eternal Peace Made Free by the EXTREME LONG RIGHTEOUS SUFFERING OF GOD’S ONE AND ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST TO THE POINT OF BEING STRIPPED NAKED, NAILED TO A CROSS, SPEARED AND SHEDDING HIS HOLY BLOOD, AND DYING ON A LOWLY CROSS, ALL THAT IN PUBLIC, NEITHER CAN BE EARNED BY THE “FILTHY RAGS” FROM “DESPERATELY WICKED” MAN.

TAKE THAT TO HEART IF YOU HAVE ONE: GOD IS LOVE, NOT “GOD IS HATE” MR. AND MISSES “IT’S OKAY FOR US TO HATE BECAUSE WE MERELY JUST TALKED BY SAYING IT CAME FROM GOD.”

You are taking God’s place as is anyone, when you make a claim without evidence, especially on something that has to do with God’s character and salvation, which you despite your pretense, show that you care more about YOUR VERSION OF “LOVE”, AND YOUR VERSION OF “SALVATION” being made known, which you outright say is “despising” others, rather than loving your brother, and obeying the second greatest law: LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

I hope this wasn’t “just talking” to you Mr. Attack the Calvinist for No Logical Evident Reason, but Defend the Attackers Who Argue and Insult and Express Evil Hatred for Christians Which They WITHOUT EVIDENCE Claim Is Righteous Hatred That Comes from God WHO IS LOVE.See More
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And you give an Amen to your husband with an exclamation mark because…? What’s your evidence Dawn? Let’s look[:]

“I do not agree.”

Oh, because YOU don’t agree, because YOU feel it is wrong then it should not be done, REGARDLESS OF MY “LONG… WINDED” explanation as you to why you are wrong, you argue and bicker (no surprise you do that if your husband claimed Loyd’s comment was “just talking” and really made no point though and when he just ignored whatever good things I said and brushed off MY POINT FROM THE BIBLE WHICH SAUS NOT ARGUE OVER DISPUTABLE THINGS, DAWN). Does the Bible say, “Dawn and Curtis are God, do as they feel and do as they command?” NO. But since you have ignored God word which says not to argue about disputable matters, and I pointed out why it says that: I have replied again to you about this subject. What Dawn, was so hard to see about my “long winded” (rant), where I pointed out the Bible says not to ARGUE over disputable matters and TO CARE MORE ABOUT PEACE AND JOY IN THE SPIRIT? IN OTHER WORDS, TO SIMPLY OBEY GOD IN WHAT YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD DO? Where is the “Amen Daniel!” to that Dawn? Instead you obsess on your dogma and husband who cares so little for it, can hardly be bothered to make a grammatically correct sentence. And why not if this is life and death and you “love truth and hate lies” as you imply? If God strongly to the point of sending people to Hell FOR ALL ETERNITY (and STILL LOVE THEM, NOT HATES THEM, YOU ARBITRARY ARGUMENT ARMINIANS – AGAIN: YOUR OWN TEACHING IS THAT GOD LOVES THOSE HE SENDS TO HELL, SO WHY DO YOU SAY “AMEN CURTIS!” TO HATING THEM, AND NOT EVEN GIVE A LITTLE EVIDENCE FOR WHY YOU ARE RIGHT TO HATE EVEN ONE PERSON?) – IF GOD WILL SEND PEOPLE TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, SHOULDN’T YOU HAVE ENOUGH CARE TO MAKE A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT SENTENCE WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING YOU PUT IN CAPS AND SHOUT ABOUT, AS YOU DID HERE, WITH MULTIPLE QUESTION MARKS:

“Prophetic Worship??? What the!?! Prophetic Worship??? Some one help me out here, PLEASE!!! Prophetic Worship??? SMH Um, could SOMEONE PLEASE SCHOOL ME on Prophetic Worship and where we see it in the bible…or is it simply yet ANOTHER WAY to make merchandise out of Gods people as “they” SELL their music. Prophetic Worship…biblical???”

And here:

“SELF will NOT accept such truth wife…Freely ye have received, freely give is IGNORED all for the sake of S-E-L-F. After all, we are all sinners and Christ died for our sins and where there is no more remembrance of sin, we sinners can live anyway we so desire because Jesus loves us JUST THE WAY WE ARE!!! ALL LIES IN HYPOCRISIES!!!”

Would you like to go to an English teacher to confirm your sentences here are corrupt? Example, it’s “Lies in hypocrisy” not “hypocrisies”. Though that part is minor, your errors pile up and form rants over all. Instead of yelling crazily how about being calm so you can think more clearly which you obviously have a problem with, so great that it slipped right past you and your wife that you are misleading, that it is against the second greatest law to hate anyone, let alone that you treat God carelessly and are using him as a tool to promote your own gospel.

And Dawn, you used an evil tactic here:

“Selling teachings and prophecies is making merchandise of God’s people, period.”

Did I say “merchandise” anywhere? Did I say “sell crosses”? And where does the Bible say it would be wrong to sell crosses anyways? Christ taught not to turn the church into a store and to give what God gave to you for free, free yourself, and in context, he means the religious wisdom on what his word means and the gospel freely, not just whatever free gift he has given you. If we gave away whatever God gave to us for free, there would be nothing to sell since everything belongs to God and he lets us borrow it all, and you would be sinning yourself (and are in a way since you say it is wrong) by selling and buying anything, since, again, it all belongs to God (and is lent to us freely, OF GOD’S OWN FREE WILL). Or are you serious when you teach directly or indirectly that GOD IS UNDER THE WILL OF MAN? Even when you read that Christ said, and under extreme pain that would break any mere human: “But not my will, yours be done”?

I will not Dawn repeat the reasons, the clear reasons I gave for you saying that selling teachings and prophecies is wrong as you misleadingly say by oversimplying if with a sentence like that, another mislead, because you’re giving the impression that I said, “Sell the Bible and prophecies God gave you without letting anyone know what it was he said”, WHEN I SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE DAWN AND WHICH YOU JUST INSULTINGLY IGNORED BY STUBBORN REPEATING YOURSELF. How would you like it Dawn and Curtis if I said to you, “God is not love and there is no point in being loving like God” and you explain a large amount (long winded remember?) of good teachings to me from the Bible as to why God is love and why you should be loving, and I ignore it all and reply again with:

“No…! wroNG G0d is NOT love!!! and there’s no point in loving him AND JUST LOVING EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS!!!! which you said and believe in do you not?????????!!!!! Well but oh so wait you ChristianS so called!!! LIES IN HYPOCRIES IF THAT’S TRUE THEN I’M LOVING ME SOME SIN, AH HAH CHRITIANS CONTRADICT AGAIN! AMEN TO ATHEIST HUSBAND AND ALL MY ATHEIST FRIENDS! AND I LOVE DESPISING YOU CHRISTIANS!”

Wouldn’t that be an extremely disgusting response and something to truly despise to a great effort in love, love with patience? Yet you treated me the same way, showing contempt and “despising” for it, virtually saying that I am worthless, that any good I said is worthless, merely because, I’m a Calvinist, the same kind of reasoning racists use. Do you know what bigotry is or not care Mr. and Mrs. We Hate Christians Who Oppose Our Feelings In the Name of God?

“period.”

Dawn, “period” is not evidence, the force of your emotion is not evidence, your feelings are not evidence, period. The evidence for that claim?: Read the Bible, it implies that God’s word is to be used as evidence, not “I Dawn with confidence have said, “This is so, amen and period.” Or “If 5 billion Arminians say “Amen” then it is so.” That is false religion and a hatred for truth.

“In other words, do not charge people for any inspirational music, teachings, wisdom, prophecies that you receive from God. Simple.”

I told you before this response WHY IT WAS NOT SIMPLE DAWN. So all you are doing is hatefully repeating. You don’t argue a point by saying, “Simple ur wrong, period” is what you are basically doing. Again, how would you like it if I responded to your statements with the same type of response?

To your “you’re wrong, period. Simple”. With the exact same statement? As I say to non-Christians when they insult me for preaching, “Use your own insult against yourself, use your own argument against yourself to see if it is evidence of anything, if it makes you right, and if I can say the same to you would that make me right too?”

And you two haters of Christians who disagree with you don’t know that obvious point either? That mere claims don’t make you right? That mere insults don’t make you right?

“And one more thing – Curtis and I do not agree with the doctrine of John Calvin.”

Well that was really hard to figure out because I’m just a dumb Calvinist who doesn’t understand anything and just “slanders”. Curtis admitting that he is evil and you, by agreeing to “despise Calvinists” in the name of God was just not a big enough hint for this dumb Calvinist to know that you hate John Calvin and his teachings. Me am is just am dumb person. Again, do you know what bigotry is?
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‎@Dawn Reinas “In researching that doctrine and studying the scriptures, that doctrine is found wanting.”

Like I said, is your mere claim/s evidence of anything?

If I say that same sentence back to you would that make me right? If I said, as …Arminians love to do as a defense of their honesty and wisdom: “I’ve read the Bible 100 times in a row straight Curtis and Dawn”, and or “I’ve studied the Bible and researched it thoroughly” would that make me right? Would it make the atheists right who also use such arguments to justify their hatred of the Bible? But yet you argue no differently than an atheist.

I’ll say it again: The Bible says not to argue over disputable matters but to take joy in doing what everyone knows to be right in God’s Spirit. So how about listening to your Arminian brother Lord at least, and ceasing arguing and bickering, and preaching “the gospel”? How about that gospel of eternal life, the eternal life that both Christ and John said is in those who love their brothers and enemies? Didn’t I put a link, and don’t I always, on my profile as to how to get that eternal life? So what is your excuse?
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “It’s called slander wife…something The Lord DESPISES ALSO.”

Then why don’t you stop slandering me Curtis by accusing me of slander WITHOUT EVIDENCE? Did you too MAGICALLY forget that the Bible requires that YOU HAVE EVIDEN…CE FOR AN ACCUSATION AGAINST A BROTHER, and not only that: TO CORRECT IN PRIVATE?

Isn’t that amazing Mr. and Misses We Despite Calvinists, We Hate Them in God’s Name and Love His Hatred of Calvinists, that you can just do whatever you want when it comes to attacking a Calvinist, but when it’s an Arminian: give them a free ticket and encourage their HATE.

“What Daniel has written is typical for John Calvin followers.”

And what you say is typical of Arminians. What about that Curtis? Does making such a statement help anyone? What was the point? NONE, but just to say, “The group of people do this evil thing always”. Again: do you know what bigotry is? There are online dictionaries if you didn’t know.

“The very SAME Satanic spirit that over took John Calvin ALSO overtakes his followers.”

Accusations without evidence are what is Satanic, and as I said, as Jesus taught.

“Since “they” can’t get us to conform to their damnable heresies and join their schism,”

Another sign of a person who is lying is when they pile on accusations like you are doing, without evidence. Once again Curtis The Despiser of Calvinists in God’s Name: If I make accusations without evidence and with the force of my emotions too, does that make me right? Then you must be wrong.

“they do their BEST to categorize us into a schism (Armenian)”

Now you’re ranting. What is necessary about you saying that part and with BEST capitalized? Did that make any logical sense to capitalize BEST? As I said: you’re not logical to the point where even your sentence structure is corrupt.

“which adamantly opposes Calvinism.”

DOES using A “big word” as some would call it (many these days actually), does using a fancy descriptive word make you “righter” or more right Curtis? Dawn? Well then can I try that tactic, typical of non Christians and false Christians? Can I say, “God absolutely adamantly no way never in no way extremely will not, most genuinely, truly honestly, truly truly truly truly etc., in no way imaginable, will he approve of SELLING HIS LOVE AS IF IT WERE MERCHANDISE, HIS RELIGIOUS WORKS, HIS INSPIRATION, IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY, OR MAN’S WORKS AND SO CALLED “GOOD DEEDS”.

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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “It’s Satan’s OLDEST trick.”

What did I, Daniel, say which you call Satan’s OLDEST trick Mr. Arbitrary Capitalization of Words Who Uses the OLD trick of broadsiding?

You do know what broadsiding is don’t you?: It’s when you ma…ke an accusation and don’t SPECIFY WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT YOU CLAIM IS WRONG. And as I said, I can do the same to you and simply say what you are saying back, which is to accuse WITHOUT EVIDENCE, which is one of Satan’s oldest tricks, for example, Satan accusing Job of being evil without evidence. You have read Job haven’t you? Or was Job too long-winded for you? I’m sure you’ve memorized the accusations of Job’s friends though… they sure weren’t long winded were they, no: they were, “just talking”.

“Look at Daniels comment how he falsely accuses me.”

Yes: if you look that will make Curtis right. Everyone: just look at what Dawn and Curtis say. ? Do you teach your children to argue like this or did you pick up this type of arguing and bickering from kids? “Just look at what you said, ur evil and you’re wrong, it’s all Satanic, period and simple. God said so. Amen!”

That’s mature? That’s “Christian”? NO.

“Look at his anti-Christ rants,”

Anti-Christain because you said so, and whatever you append, “I’m a true Christian and love God and hate what he hates and love what he loves. So, you’re right about whatever you say” too, means your right. What a trick! Hey everyone, “I’m Daniel: I’m honest and don’t lie…” Well then I must be honest and must not lie right, because I said so. What a trick you want me and the world to believe, but of course it wouldn’t apply to a Calvinist, because, well, they’re Calvinists! And and, AND: Calvinists use old tricks and are bad and Satanic and schismatics and devise and sinners and liars and hate truth! Just look! See? Do you see? If you DON’Tt see UR blind!!!!”

Sorry Curtis. you’re not dragging me down to Satan’s level, I won’t argue without evidence like you and demand that people just have faith in my mere claims and feelings like non-Christians are in the habit of doing.

“slander and vain attempt to condemn me by trying to make me “‘lend my mind'”

Wow you can use eloquent phrases, well then you must be the winner, the right one, the good Christian. Did you know, and I mean no insult by this, that a trait of the mental disorder “narcissism” is to believe and act as if using eloquent phrases and “high” words is what matters more than saying what is true and that using such language makes you automatically wise in whatever subject it is you are talking about and the automatic winner of any argument against someone who does not use such speech? Did you know that making claims without evidence or a concern for evidence (but not necessarily always going so) is also a sign of narcissism? It’s also a sign of psychopathy, a person with no concern for morality, who feels no guilt when they do wrong, which is similar to the way a narcissist is, the difference being that narcissists show loyalty to others they consider special, for however long they consider it. Narcissists will also use arbitrary arguments to fend people off, meaning, any argument, with such fervor, they often don’t see when they are contradicting themselves by such arguments, and when they do, hope you won’t notice, and if you do notice, will come up with another argument till they can no longer tolerate your disagreement and lack of thankfulness for whatever it is they say to you.See More
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‎@Curtis Reinas

Yous said, “to the most vile of slanderous lies, ‘that I’m not saved’.”

What a surprise: you use the same language as atheists stalkers who harass me to no end. But God says to rejoice when the world hates and persecutes you, …RIGHT ARMINIAN MAJORITY? You didn’t forget, Curtis and Dawn, all you Arminians, that most if not all CATHOLICS are also Arminians whether they say it or not, didn’t you? You did know that ALL CATHOLICS AGREE THAT BY EITHER OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S LAW OR GOOD DEEDS (and it can’t be or since good deeds require obedience to the law, just so you who are confused know) – you did know that about Catholics right? And the point is: Catholics are not just the majority religious group, but are so widespread and numerous, it is no stretch to count them as part of “the world” when the Bible speaks of non-Christians. There is no way around that. On top of that, even non-Christians, even pagans agree that you can earn your way to Heaven if it exists. There are twisted versions of Calvinists so to speak though, pagan versions, who say that God would only let those into Heaven who haven’t committed big sins, twisted because they leave out that God HAS MERCY, Curtis, on sinners, and saves them through is son, and doesn’t just IGNORE those who are not good and just happen to do good works THROUGH THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE GOODNESS IN THEM CURTIS, AS YOU CONVENIENTLY JUST HAPPENED TO MAGICALLY FORGET IS APART OF ARMINIAN DOCTRINE, despite you pretending that you’re only good when Christ does good through you. That’s NOT what you believe is it Curtis? That’s not what you Arminians believe. Don’t you believe THAT GOD SAVES THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE GOODNESS IN THEM? Don’t you believe that Curtis, despite you trying to give a false impression on others that you are humble and that God just arbitrarily chose you one day, apart from predestining you? Don’t you believe that despite you trying to seem as if you are the “true Calvinist”, the REAL humble one who needed Christ’s help?

Well you’re not the real Calvnist Curtis; you believe that you already had goodness in you and that that is why you “chose” God’s supposed way of salvation and humility, and that is a heresy, it is a heresy beacuse from the same book of Psalms you quote below, it says TWICE, IN MORE THAN ONE WAY, MORE THAN TWICE that MAN IS NOT GOOD, with the implication from that man only comes anything close to good when God saves them and has worked on them for a long time.

Christ even said that the disciples had no goodness apart from Him, meaning his working through them, as you yourself hypocritically appear to have implied (at least to me it appears that way) was true for you with your vague “works” comment. Or are you NOT an Amrinian Curtis, and you believe that you were 100% evil, and that Christ needed to change your heart and mind to ask God for forgiveness and trust that his son FREELY OF HIS OWN WILL SUFFER AND DIE FOR ALL YOUR SINS, EVERY SINGLE ONE PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE SECURING FOR YOU ETERNAL PEACE, NOT TEMPORARY – to do that “WORK” Curtis? Or “giving money to religious causes” and “helping people across the street”? Which one Curtis? It can’t be both, since the Bible does not teach it is God’s work plus mans. So what “work” were you talking about Christ doing through you, Curtis?See More
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas

And, Curtis: Did I merely say as you falsely implied, and so slandered me by doing – did I say: “You’re not saved.” with a period at the end? Did I do as Dawn did, by saying, “Simple” or “period”? at the end? Why did you end …it with a period then Curtis?

YOU slandered me with that punctuation mark called a period, and by ignoring whatever specific points I made and make and by broadsiding me with your colorful (but cliche) speech. Deception (and using colorful language as a distraction and to make it appear as if you are wise in morality and doing what is right) is Satan’s OLDEST trick Curtis:

“Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said to the woman, “[Is it] so that God has said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? … You shall not surely die: for God knows that in the day you eat of it, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as God, knowing good and evil.”

Very cunning of the serpent that Satan took advantage of wasn’t it Arminians: to say “SURELY” and mix it up with eloquent colorful speech, and no doubt with a tone of regal confidence. You can pick that up can’t you, being that you’re good at doing it yourselves, when you make a good effort at times. Can’t you just smell the confidence (arrogance more specifically), with Satan using a rhetorical question: ” “[Is it] so that God has said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” (one of his OLDEST tricks, so you should know better than to use them, because it’s been there on display in God’s word copied all over the world for you to see and not forget), rhetoric mixed with, “surely” and “for” … “for GOD KNOWS” and “your eyes shall be opened if you just look, if you just look at the evil I accuse Daniel and John Calvin of doing and all Calvinists, and I would know Eve, because I listened to God and you didn’t study carefully enough like me (now submit to me Eve and all mankind, because my will is above God’s).”

“This only PROVES ONE thing…I AM saved!”

Well of course: Because you said Calvinists try their “BEST” to show a person is not saved and that’s Satan’s OLDEST trick, then it’s “PROOF” Curtis (just you?) is saved”!”

Well Curtis and Dawn and many of you Arminians sure haven’t tried their best or at least have not fervently tried, or at least tried with strong effort to prove Calvinists are not saved, no… you haven’t at all, so, using your logic, uh, I must NOT be saved? Because… you Arminians… don’t try, your “BEST”??? HUH? And you think you’re a mentally sound Curtis? That reminds me, another thing non-Christians often (not always) fail to do to check to see if they are speaking the truth is to reverse their logic. It’s a little different then simply testing an argument against yourself, the difference is that you test to see if your claim is true in reverse, if saying, “That if it is best to do this, then is it worse to do this”.See More
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas “Not by my own WORKS by by Christ Who WORKS IN and THROUGH me!”

No, that is not God’s word you who copy the serpent, God said, through his servant Paul, Paul who often explained why salvation is not by works:

“For God has not …given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of LOVE and of a SOUND MIND. THEREFORE you should not be ashamed of the TESTIMONY of our Lord [WHICH CURTIS AND DAWN NOT SURPRISING TO ME DO NOT QUOTE IN THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST SALVATION BY GRACE], nor of me His PRISONER. But be partaker of the afflictions of the GOSPEL [which is not of works done through man Curtis] according to the power of God, who HAS SAVED [as in saved from Hell and a life of nonstop living to fulfill our own will above God’s when we feel like it, and not “TEMPORARY salvation”] saved [past tense saved Curtis, not “saving” as Arminians imply, and which Catholic teach] us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE [grace means “unearned love”] which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE the eternal times not [God decided to save you temporarily after Christ did “works” through you].

And Paul made it even clearer who is saved and why:

“‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, BUT ON GOD’S MERCY [not “plus Christ’s work through Curtis” not “plus Christ’s good deeds through man”]. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: ‘I raised you up for this very purpose: THAT I COULD DISPLAY MY POWER IN YOU AND THAT MY NAME COULD BE PROCLAIMED IN ALL THE EARTH.’ Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden

NOT: Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden if man wills to accept Christ doing good deeds through him man shall be saved, and especially if he says “surely” or “simply” or “period” or “amen” or “this is proof I’m saved by God!” which is proof in and of itself to say and proclaim.”

It doesn’t say that or imply it anywhere Curtis, instead you have the entire Old Testament and many parables and plain speech verses showing that no attempt BY MAN, PERIOD, CURTIS AND DAWN, PERIOD, NO ATTEMPT BY MAN PERIOD to earn God’s love, forgiveness and salvation is “good” in God’s eyes, and that Christ is THE SAVIOR AND THAT GOD WILL NOT SHARE HIS GLORY WITH ANOTHER, not “Salvation by Christ PLUS through Christ’s deeds through man, man who is equally King with God over his destiny or who is above God, and who can even change the destiny of God by his will.”

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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas

GOD: “One of you will say to me: ‘Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will? But who are you, O man, to talk back [WITH ANGER] towards God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me… like this?’ [QUESTIONING THE WILL AND WISDOM OF THE ONE AND ONLY GOD WHO MADE IT?] Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?”

Yes or no Curtis? Yes or no Dawn? Does that get an Amen? When God asks a rhetorical question, can you give him an “Amen!” Which of you will bless God now first? Or would you like to join each other in Hell?

So you taught a false gospel and put words in God’s mouth, mixing it with the truth (and do I really need to point out that that is “deceiving”?). Again Paul teaches, and much more clearly, that it is by God’s will, not as you implied (or tried to imply) with your “Christ doing good works (of the Law of Moses Curtis, which you conveniently were silent on and so making the word “works” vague who are ignorant and don’t know better as to the multiple meanings of works), GOOD DEEDS YOU MEANT, not merely as you left open to what you possibly meant in your vagueness: Christ’s work of obedience to God APART from man, suffering, blood shed and having been hung on a cross and executed there for sins. NOT: Christ getting Curtis to help an old lady across a street, and love his wife, and donate some money to church. NO: GOD’S LOVE, GOD’S RELIGIOUS WORKS, NOT GOD’S OR CHRIST’S, ARE FOR SALE, THEY ARE NOT MERCHANDISE, AS YOU SAID. You “care” so much for righteousness you forget the greatest righteousness which you make a cheap thing, despite your implying that mans deeds, which you CONVENIENTLY MERELY CLAIM come from Christ. Yes Curtis, yes Arminians, the Bible does say that Christ works through THOSE HE HAS SAVED, not “CHRIST IS SAVING THOSE HE SAVED BY DOING GOOD WORKS THROUGH THEM FROM HELPING PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET TO YOUR PRECIOUS WORK AT YOUR JOB TO RAISING YOUR CHILDREN”, a statement which is obvious nonsense. YOU ARE SAVED BY CHRIST’S WORK FROM HIS OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW OF MOSES TO HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, NOT “PLUS CHRIST’S WORK THROUGH CURTIS”, NOT “PLUS CHRIST’S WORK THROUGH DAWN … And it’s going to be an ongoing work till Curtis and Dawn decide they’ve become bored of God’s works and decide one day they’d rather be in Hell, because don’t you know, that’s what true Christians want as an option, is the option to go to Hell, that’s “love” for God, you Calvinists whom we despise in God’s name, oh you slanderous Satanic CALVINISTS!”

So Curtis and Dawn, because man’s will is “KING” as you put mentally in caps, since it is “SOVEREIGN” against God’s will, well then man’s “good deeds” just must be accepted by God, and because man (or at least those who agree with narcissists) – man is just so good, and because, because you said so! Because you have willed it with the force of your will and adamantly simply surely with a period and a man backed it up with fervor and claims of being true Christians (not like those damned legalistic Pharisees who by their trying to obey the Law of Moses or as the lazier ones thought: just be reading God’s word and mouthing it), that you are good. You said it, you will ed it, therefore it must be so, surely simply period with and Amen and calling Calvinists Satanic. Have I missed something? No wait: let me guess: I took you out of context because I didn’t quote you word for word, and not quoting word for word is Satanic, it’s a sin! Simple! PERIOD! Amen! SURELY! IT’S WHAT GOD SAID DID HE NOT EVE? TRUST ME EVE!

Like the serpent wants to you believe: God really didn’t mean what he said when he implied that his will takes supremacy Eve, he really didn’t mean, tsk tsk: You’re not good enough, you are good enough Eve, your will is equal and even above God’s will: no go eat that fruit, go do this good deed of reaching for that fruit and eating it, and you’ll have eternal life, and your will so supreme Eve (I really did not mean to delay slipping this in after your good work for eternal life Eve), your will is SO supreme, surely truly simply period: That if you will to get rid of your eternal life, to choose with that special great high will of yours that must not be violated by God (or he’d be a cosmic rapist!)… if you CHOOSE to Eve… watch for it, pay attention to what I say Eve: YOU CAN MAKE YOUR ETERNAL LIFE TEMPORARY! That’s right: You can will it away! For as I said: You shall be like God and have the power to do anything with the knowledge in that fruit, over LIFE AND DEATH! That was the secret Eve! God didn’t want you to know that eternal life is in your hands and that God was just a lower partner, that you could get rid of him whenever you wanted!See More
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Daniel Knight
‎@Curtis Reinas

You said, Curtis,

“Praise The Lord ALMIGHTY for exposing the deceitful workers of iniquity and for CONFIRMING His Holy Word!

Psalm 139:17-24

How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

ONLY for the discerning AND The Faithful!”

And just happened to forget Curtis, you just happened to forget that God also said:

and you also count as a man Curtis and so you are also not to trust in yourself,

“Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear Jehovah and depart from evil.” – Proverbs 3:5-7;
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“He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom shall be delivered.” – Proverbs 28:26;

“Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe.” – Proverbs 29:25;

“This is what Jehovah says: ‘Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from Jehovah.” – Jeremiah 17:5.

And the God you call “long-winded” also said:

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory… And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, “Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD: For I was an hungry, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you drink? When saw we saw a stranger, and took you in, or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, “Verily I say to you: So far as you have done it to one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was hungry, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I WAS A STRANGER, and you did not take me in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry, thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? [FOR DID YOU NOT DO GOOD WORKS THROUGH US? DID WE NOT REFRAIN FROM SELLING RELIGIOUS WORKS THAT YOU INSPIRED US WITH? DID WE NOT HATE OUR ENEMIES AND ANGRILY WITH SHOUTING AND CAPITAL LETTERS DRIVE THE MONEY CHANGERS OUT OF YOUR TEMPLE?! DID WE NOT SHOOT AT THE ANTI-CHRIST’S HEAD AND GIVE HIM A MORTAL WOUND? DID NOT SATAN SHOW HIS HATRED FOR US BY HEALING THAT EVIL MAN AND EXECUTING US FOR ATTACKING US, AND WE BECOMING MARTYR’S IN YOUR NAME? AMEN? Are we not shouting and pleading now for a second chance from you oh God who is merciful and loving and does the will of man over your own when we repent? Surely you are not a tyrant or cosmic rapist who forces man to go where he does not want to go! Oh you, who calls yourself ‘God’L SURELY God has not become a cosmic rapist as the Arminian Hank Hanegraaff has warned is no God, but would be of Satan! Like those workers of iniquity who lie in Satan’s name to persecute us to Hell, those 100% evil Calvinists who do no good worth mentioning, but only ignoring completely even when they are thirsty, hungry, naked, and strange and weird, and BORING! They have no Spirit in them, no fervor! No passion, they are DEAD! You believe us right God? Because if you don’t, well you know what that makes you right? And you DON’T want to be like that, don’t you see? Just look again and compare our works to the Calvinists, you’ll see God we are right, so, so now lift us into the clouds with you okay? God? Are you listening to our will and our heart? Why do you look so angry God? Why so negative towards us in appearance?] Then shall he answer them, saying, [AS YOU CURTIS AND DAWN AND ALL ARMINIANS SOMETIMES SAY TO JUSTIFY YOUR HATE AND IGNORE MY COMMANDS: I HATE MY ENEMIES! But now you want my mercy and accuse me of evil if I will not give it with your rhetoric and “surelys”!? YOU HYPOCRITES!] Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these [Calvinists and others whom you’ve called “enemies of God” using rhetoric and my own holy word which you had no right to speak since you did not truly care about me, WHO WERE YOUR ENEMIES TO WHOM YOU HATED], you helped not to me [either]. [BUT GOD WAIT! IT’S ME CURTIS, WHO WAS KIND TO DAWN AND HIS BRETHREN AT CHURCH, WAIT! LISTEN! I THOUGHT YOU SAID “HATE YOUR ENEMIES!”] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal [that eternal REST APART FROM WORKS, THAT ETERNAL SABBATH ON WHICH EVEN GOD RESTED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR US, AND NOT because of man’s will or their works or supposed works in them from Christ, but Christ’s and suffering unto death and resurrection and the work of him “DRAWING” them to God, the Shepherd who does NOT LOSE HIS SHEEP].

Yes Curtis: keep ignoring what the Bible says about salvation, works and Hell, forget what Christ said is the second greatest commandment and take a passage out of context to justify doing so, so that Curtis and Dawn are free to have their way by hating whom they will. For, your will Curtis and Dawn be done, your heart’s desire, not Calvinists, and definitely not God’s, period.

Now after having said all that, and after more minutes had gone by, I decided to make one last comment on that thread, and let Curtis and others know that the Bible commands me not to engage in arguments of ignorance and that to keep listening to them (from the same person at least) will corrupt you. And when I tried to post it, guess what happened. Look for yourself, as Curtis might say:

Maybe Curtis-Who-Despises-Calvinists will magically forget why he removed me from his friends list too. So much for “let us reason”, long-suffering and not arguing, Arminians.

To Calvinists: Does God Predestine Anyone To Hell?

August 31, 2009 Leave a comment

I don’t like the label “Hyper Calvinist”. It’s puke and reminds me of “spaz” atheists. So don’t call me one after reading this.

Who agrees that God destines everything, including who goes to Hell? I believe that it is illogical and unbiblical (and makes Calvinists look stupid) to claim that God doesn’t destine anyone to Hell when it’s claimed that he is the one who is required to save you. Further, think of it this way: does God do anything without knowing the result? Doesn’t God know the result of his action of inaction? Is God the one who decides what will happen or is he not all-knowing? Are there things God is unsure of? Is God only sure of what will happen to a person he intends to save? Further, why wouldn’t God destine someone to Hell when he hardens a person’s heart so that they WON’T do good? Why cut it short at destining someone to Hell if he chooses what sins a person will commit indirectly? Again:

How can anyone say, “God doesn’t destine anyone to Hell,” when he is in control of everything either directly or indirectly and knows the future perfectly and his turning our hearts to him for forgiveness is required for us to be saved from Hell?

I hope that any Calvinists who claim God doesn’t destine anyone to Hell or who says, “Well I don’t know” will stop, and admit the truth so that we aren’t seen as insane idiots anymore by Christians and Arminiests, who use that illogical fudging to turn or keep people away from the only way to eternal peace. It’s not enough to unifiy under the name “Calvinist” anymore than it was enough to unify under the name “Christian”: We must get our gospel straight and stop spreading Hellish confusion and stop pandering and giving Arminiansts room in the Church to spread their deception.

And just what is the problem with saying that God destines anyone to Hell? Everyone knows that false and non-Christians are arbitrary with their condemnation of God anyways, they say, “He’s always angry” and hateful for sending anyone to Hell except Satan and the demons that follow him, or that he’s always allowing the innocent to suffer (and ironically they unkowingly include “Christians” under ‘innocent’, sometimes).

There ar already the “blinded” and “hardened” verses and the punishment verses, so what does it matter if we acknowledge that God does destine people to Hell as well? They already say he is mean when about none of us bring that point up and rarely!

This denying that God destines anyone to Hell allows millions of Arminiests, whether they call themselves or not, to disguise themselves as one of us. How? Because in their confused minds they think that so long as they wet say that God doesn’t destine anyone to Hell that a person can be saved by their own goodness, and if that is true, then God doesn’t need to destine anyone to get eternal life, and if he doesn’t need to, then he doesn’t. If that’s not how they reason then why else would they divide from Calvinists on that point above the others they differ from us on? Why else would they always be babbling about how man has a free will and how God gave us a free will? Their denial that God destines anyone to Hell above destining anyone at all combined with their endless trumping of “free will” and not God’s show how they think. We Calvinists must not give them weasel room anymore and must let the falling away occur, and it will occur when we shut the door to their lies. The longer we allow their foot in the door on this issue, the more people they will deceive and the worse the condemnation of those going to Hell will be. It’s better for the world to revert back to idolatry as Revelation seems to imply will happen, than people continually drawing near to Christ under the false idea that they can earn their way into Heaven or just by saying, “I accept Jesus into my heart,” and ask for forgiveness again and again when they sin and or just doing some good deeds.

Another problem withing denying or hiding that we believe God destines anyone to Hell is that it makes it harder to distinguish a true from a false Christian. The Pentecostal churches are infested with fakes in part, because of true Christians pandering to the fakes and denominations similar to ours, like the Methodists appear to be “as Christian” as us. So, for those Calvinists who keep giving ground to the enemy, stop: draw the line clearly in the sand and stay there.D

Categories: Calvinism, god, Hell, predestination