Top Arguments Against the Bible and Religion
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The narcissist prizes attention, the psychopath is a sadist, the addict cares only for comfort and pleasure.
A true Christian seeks to conform to God's will; a self-centered man exalts his own will.
A logical man sees the universe and worships the Designer; an when an atheist sees it he resents his powerlessness, envies and scoffs.
To deny God's existence is to deny the existence of truth and right from wrong because without a God, right and wrong are simply opinions of imperfect beings and where they go when they die, who knows? What I mean by truth and right from wrong are the redundant terms, "absolute truth", "absolute good" and "absolute evil". So then, to deny the existence of God is neither logical nor moral.
Please read the differences between Christian groups and why they matter.
Science is right
What is Mr. Science right about? The fossils from Noah’s flood being spread all over the dry land masses of the world, and ancient buildings found deep in the ocean due to sinking when the land turned to mud? Or Mr. Science that shows one creature after another, ones supposedly billions or millions of years old that haven’t changed aka “evolved”? Or how about the Wollemi Pine that Mr. Science supposedly said was millions of years old and extinct, but later on said still existed? That Mr. Science? Your Mr. Science is indeed still learning and still evolving and still correcting himself. He needs many beatings to keep him from lying too, and saying whatever someone wants to hear who offers him a large bribe, I mean a large amount of grant money.
You have contradicted yourself. Nice attempt though, however you fail to hold esteem to the fact that science is constantly progressing. You’re looking at it now, as if in a vacuum, isolated and stagnant. You also accuse of ad hominem and then participate in ad hominem. Your patience with any response is lacking, and you are quick, to quick I might add, to claim that the holy infallible leader is on your side. If you are going to make claims and sight the bible you are going to have a bad time.
Nice attempt. I hope this argument has brought peace in your life and helped you develop as a peaceful and loving Christian. If it hasn’t, and only fueled your mongering self esteem issues, then I am sorry and I hope you find peace somewhere else.
“You have contradicted yourself. Nice attempt though, however you fail to hold esteem to the fact that science is constantly progressing. ”
Actually if you bothered searching my journal to learn WHAT I BELIEVE RATHER THAN MAKING A BASELESS CLAIM, ONE WITH NO EVIDENCE YOU’D SEE THAT I POINT OUT THE FALSE ARGUMENT, “WE’RE STILL LEARNING”. I recall pointing that out in the science part of that article, though not sure. The “we’re still learning” claim is dumb and absurd. It’s like saying to a North Korean kook who keeps trying some insane theory of trying to prove 2+2=5 or that communism is superior to a genuine republic (or if such existed a perfect theocracy were no bad occurred) who says, “But our country is great, look at all this other stuff we do, look we discovered a new star, look we made a new mine, 2+2=5 just believe us, we’re still learning and fixing our mistakes.” That argument is also nonsensical because it contradicts, it implies the “there is no absolute truth” while stating there is, like saying, “We discovered this is true using science, it’s true now, though it might be wrong, so don’t fully trust it’s true.” HUH!? IT’S EITHER TRUE OR NOT. You can’t make an out like, “But we might be wrong” if you’re saying IT IS TRUE.
You can find the “we’re still learning” comment in one of Penn and Teller’s BS shows.
Just imagine Christians using that excuse, you skeptic atheists who subscribe to MAINSTREAM SCIENCE PHILOSOPHY would mock any Christians who made such an out. It would make Christianity futile to say, “Well, we might be wrong, we’re still learning, but trust us and commit your life to what might be wrong, be fearful of what might be an imaginary God and an imaginary eternity it Hell of total darkness and eternal torment.” If that were the message of Christ, I seriously doubt there would be anymore than a little cult of mentally ill people.
Ans you’ve implied something which I refuted in the article, that being that science somehow belongs to non-theists (like skeptic-type atheists) and that religion isn’t compatible with it, or that Christians don’t do anything useful (like science). Like I already said on this page, religious people out number atheists. SO THINK: Do you really think it’s mainly or completely the atheist minority carrying science along (which I’m guessing you think)? Do you think religious people didn’t have anything to do with science? Didn’t I already mention Gideon in Judges here?
And if you’d read the Basic Bible Evidences link (isn’t it convenient it’s on this same site linked above for all to see?) you’d have also seen me saying that religious people are the ones that built up the world mainly. Atheists didn’t become a very large group till about 110 years ago. Supposing the world were truly 6,500 years old (or at least taking that as the time when humans began to advance intellectually and technologically more than in any other time), 110 years is a very small fraction of that. Atheists have contributed virtually nothing compared to all the theists from the past. Name ten people raised to be atheist who reject worship of a powerful supernatural being who contributed incredibly helpful things to the world, one who had no religious upbringing and who rejected Jesus’ “Do to others as you would have them do to you.” The only person I can think of that barely comes close is Tesla. But Tesla had a dad who was a Serbian Orthodox Priest and who was against modern education (meaning the Mainstream Scientific based one):
Sounds like a strict religious person to me, even for an atheistic person.
I’m making an educated guess that the rest of your comment will just be a useless annoyance, so, didn’t read it. Besides, you ignored what I said too, and make a wrong assumption about me, when you shouldn’t having being that I clearly have studied sciences, and am not just some newbie to it giving some shallow thoughts from shallow learning.
From Jonathan North, naster.spem@gmail.com, submitted on 2012/05/23 at 7:13 AM.
“A lot of those arguments you mentioned sound useful for getting someone to question their faith.” (rest of his rant ignored)
Now, after encountering one atheist after another like this, how in the world is it any atheists think they are superior or have better judgment or care more about truth than theists or specifically Christians? Obviously this demonic answers shows that this idiot is so dumb, he can’t figure out that these are arguments against religion with refutations as to why they are wrong, or his brain is so twisted with hate, cannot acknowledge the refutations. What does he think the arguments are? Arguments against why not to eat strawberries? Do you atheists and theists understand now why atheists cannot be trusted, why I call them dumb, stupid, morons, idiots, and why God calls them “fools” as in “extremely evil”? Because they are and the keep showing it with their stupid and evil answers and attitude. To become an atheist is to degrade your ability to reason and your drive to care about truth. It causes you to get closer to becoming as dumb as this guy. Why should anyone listen, after non-stop stupid and repetitive comments from atheists about religion, psychology and morality, and when it gets dumber, like this comment from Johnathan? If I can help it, I will simply ignore them now on these topics and just pray for them. They are like broken records and parrots with defective brains. After this whopper of a dumb answer, I think they comprise in large part the dogs and pigs Jesus mentioned, besides violent and wild people in general.
Knight your a dumbass. let me explain to you this way. you claim a really old book is true. now there are many old books. Homers odyssey for example. Its an old book. great. but we dont see fucking cyclops and harpies running around everywhere do we. Same with the bible. tell me when was the last time you saw demon or an angel or even god. but your book is old therefore it must be true. *sigh* same logic…
From Angel C.
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Submitted on 2012/06/05 at 11:31 AM
“Knight your a dumbass. let me explain to you this way.”
Moron, you’re a moron, and this is why: You started out your insult with a mere insult and ended it in a period, a revelation that you can’t explain your insult, but are a biased bigot who has to come up with an after thought for his bias. Fail one. Fail two, your next sentence should end in a “:” not a period you idiot. That’s how you insult someone you imbecile. Third, your little paragraph, which I’m ignoring, is obviously not going to be anymore of an explanation as to why I am dumb nor how 500 refuted arguments, some in over 20 ways, many which contradict not just themselves but other arguments, are anything other than wrong.
Good job being yet another ultra idiot who not only wasted God’s time, but his own time, mine, but in the end, God used it for good: He showed yet another anti-Christian as evidence that Christ is true, and the anti-Christians: illogically angry morons. May God save you if that’s possible.
From: Michael, animegamer5pak@gmail.com, Submitted on 2012/05/14 at 6:13 AM (I unpublished his comment after allowing it so that this comment would show as a reply, as I sometimes due with comments that are in and of themselves, morally useless and misleading). I put Michael’s comments in quote
1) “Well, you certainly put a lot of effort into this.”
a) Misdirection.
b) And personally, I find it to be an insult, an ad hominem attack, in fact, it is one: you’re being a fault-finder from the comment that remains too as you point out nothing positive, that being: THE ENTIRE ARTICLE IS TRUE after having ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE STUPID ARGUMENTS. You’ve already failed.
2) “I do have to wonder though,”
a) Why do you have to wonder? Does something force you to do something against your will? Or does something CONTROL your will, like God?
b) Misdirect
3) “if you read an argument that undeniably proved Christianity was wrong, would you actually accept it?”
a) I do have to wonder: if you read an argument that proved your bias and doubt about God wrong, about Christ wrong, about my religion wrong, about atheism wrong, would you actually accept it? You obviously can’t even accept evidence right in front of you that shows Christianity IS true, you can’t even click a link that provides evidence for a specific type Christianity let alone accept archaeological evidence for the Bible. You can’t even think, “Wow, why do people on my side keep using false arguments, why are we repeatedly making the same mistakes, why can’t we see our blind spots, and yet certain large amounts of these Christians keep using logical arguments, well avoiding the mistakes we make and are able to see what we keep missing?” Nope, instead, you’re either pretending (lying) or doubting or a mix of both over the obvious. You really can’t accept basic Bible evidences? Then you reject reality, and therefore are dishonest and delusional.
Do you see now why I saw atheists and anti-Christians are illogical and blinded by Satan? You don’t use basic logic deduction, you miss the obvious like that: YOU DON’T TEST YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS ON YOUR OWN BELIEFS, THE MOST BASIC THING FOR A PERSON TO DO TO MAKE SURE THEY AREN’T BIASED. How simple was that? How arrogant are you?
b) What does your wondering about “what if…” have to do with the relevant points at hand, the points that show atheism CANNOT be true and that from what I’ve shown Christianity IS logical by the glaring fact that I am one and being logical, more logical and more insightful on this one page than most people are in their entire lives, that includes most Christians on top of it! But, instead, the atheist, afflicted with Insanity of Doubt (a real disorder), can’t stop doubting! And big surprise: because he doubts the being of living truth and goodness!
What if you were faced with a list of arguments, rebuttals, showing a theist mind, specifically a Christian one, that had superior logic to a non-theist and anti-Chrisitian, and who provided a ready list of obvious evidences for his religion on top of that, including a list of them, on a short article in another link? Oh… YOU DID ENCOUNTER THAT and instead act like you’ve looked at a large building, that I put a lot of work into, but you can’t see the point of the building, you can’t even see any definable structure to it. Are you serious? You really cannot understand how insulting let alone insane your first statement is in the context of all you’ve said on top of it? The building you built is an insult to God, it’s worthless and built on sand. You’re a blind ingrate. People like yourself, or rather of your group, come up with one arbitrary argument after another, which some of you define as “circular reasoning”, and when I refute them all (and 500 of them at that!) this is your answer?: “Well, u made something big, but what if ur wrong?” Do you deserve to be called “imbecile”? “Math scholar, I see you’ve made a big book of numbers… but uh, heh, but uh, what if I finally come up with a math problem u can’t solve, will u then admit ur not a math scholar and that math doesn’t exist and that ur way of math doesn’t make sense?” No student who sees numbers but not the math problems and the solutions given, no, why are you even in this classroom? You should be in special ed.
4) “Probably not, because by your logic even a valid and sound argument that proved Christianity wrong would have to be wrong itself because Christianity cannot be wrong.”
a) A mere conjecture as to what I MIGHT DO IF FACED WITH ULTIMATE EVIDENCE CHRIST LIED, has nothing to do with the facts at hand, nothing. You’re basically ranting, and it’s a misdirect and in context, a non sequitur. You’re saying in essence: “I will not accept this evidence for God and Christianity or that these arguments which refute attempts to disprove them are of any value or worth praising you for, someone I do know exists, and no matter how well you did so and how much effort you put into it, because, as you say in this way, “My GUESS IS, that if you (and you conveniently forget to mention this part:) a person who has demonstrated 100% solid logic deep down, and is therefore demonstrating being trustworthiness and logic and objectivity that atheists cannot argue with WOULD PROBABLY REJECT THE TRUTH IF YOU FINALLY SAW IT.” No smug ingrate, THAT’S YOUR SIDE, IT’S YOUR SIDE WHO DOES THAT REPEATEDLY AS THE 500 ARGUMENTS I DOCUMENTED SHOW, and yet you still talk as if you are in the right, as if you know what you are talking about and those in the right, who repeatedly spot your errors and who expose them clearly, readily able to be read all over the world in many places. You still, after running into a wall and falling down, in 5000 different ways figuratively speaking, meaning encountering all kinds of different reasons why each of your reasons for rejecting God/Christ are wrong, say indirectly, “But if you would not still be worn out by our endless attempts at proving what is clearly impossible to prove now, would you then accept it? Would you finally accept that this free energy paper clip really does put out more energy then I put into it when I bounce it on a table?” Oh sure, it’s absolutely NOTHING that I spent years carefully listening to all your arguments to both know the truth and teach it, only to come up against yet another, “You don’t care about truth” and in your case a nonsensical one who adds, “Probably doesn’t care about truth”, because don’t you know: I’ve shown I don’t care by going over 500 different types (which are usually the same kinds of arguments) of arguments including a few likes yours, and replying honestly and showing why they are all wrong, BECAUSE I DON’T CARE, DON’T CARE ABOUT TRUTH EITHER. No actually evil one: “I don’t care” is the response I get from evil ones like you when I show them that their arguments, like I do here, are wrong. That is the most common reply I get when they see they are repeatedly failing with full faith that they are right. Fully hypocritical.
“So, for you, even if it is deductively certain that Christianity is wrong, Christianity is right inherently.” All that sentence is is a continuation of the rest of your hypocritical refuted non-point. You’ve basically now said, “I don’t believe in your logic and that you can see clearly what I can’t, because I have faith that you might reject the truth if I finally, after 500 different attempts, will show that I can see clearly and refute your logic.” Circular, non-sequitur, delusional, dishonest and insane reasoning.
5) “It’s not worth anyone’s time to try and debate these points”
a) Fallacy: Speaking for All (either that or you are delusional and think everyone told you it’s not worth their time). A common mistake made by arrogant people like yourself. You don’t speak for billions of people do you? Why did you say that that then? Self-centered and arrogant much?
“you’ve raised because you didn’t raise them to debate them.”
b) It’s a non Sequitur Fallacy as I explained already.
c) It’s a Circular Reasoning Fallacy of the Non Sequitur and Speaking For All type.
6) “You raised them because you’ve already drawn your conclusions and just want to continue to feel validated by having people point out the problems so you can say “there are no problems””
a) Fallacy of Presumption, and
b) a kind of ad hominem since you’re saying, “You’re wrong because you probably wouldn’t accept the truth WHEN you did finally see it.” in other words, “You’re probably a dishonest person who is only interested in feeling right by refuting false logic so that you can feel like you are honest.” How would you like it if I said that to you, not only without evidence, but into massive contradiction of what was right in front of me?
7) “and end the discussion, in your mind at least.”
a) See how you can’t get back to the subject at hand? You read like a bitter person, to me, despite your attempt to sound self-assured and relaxed, and as if you yourself can’t be proved wrong about anything. In fact you’re in a way, you’re using the bad arguments I’ve already dealt with here:
c1) “You think you can be right and no one else?” Right about what, and do you think only those who disagree with you can be right?. And I really can say that you’ve said “you”, singling me out, because you’ve spoken for the entire planet as I pointed out earlier, and now have said, “in your mind at least” as if no one else could possibly agree with me. HOW ABSURD! HOW ARROGANT! How greatly in denial of the obvious truth you are! You are ignoring millions on my side, tens of millions, perhaps maybe even 100 million, not even including angels and God if they were real. Stop speaking of me as if I’m a lone wolf! And to me that shows you’re not even worth reading any further, and I may have been in the wrong to reply to you at all, or to read past your first or second sentence, because you spoke for the world as if there were no others that agreed with anything about Christianity or accepted it as a valid way of living a truthful life. That shows extreme ignorance for someone who is clearly an adult, or who, with your level of language skill should know this by now! Or is simply speaking well way more important than knowing if tens of billions of people were right about some sort of Hell or Heaven existing, and gods or a God that could send you to either depending on how you lived? Even Buddhists treat Buddha as a god to be worshiped, and no doubt hope he would have mercy on them and rescue them from being born as something terrible as punishment for their past deeds, so not even they can honestly claim that they don’t hope in a god to save them. So why aren’t you aware of such obvious things, or rather, why do you forget them? Do you notice and then forget as if speaking well is more important than why so many people of different religions have similar beliefs and tend to do the same things in general: find someone to worship? Even atheists do this with those they exalt as being genius defeaters of irrational religion. For example, Scientific American magazine is always showing Darwin’s face and that is a top rated magazine. Do Christians have Jesus’ face posted on every website they make, on all their home pages? Yet atheists and skeptics especially, make it seem as if Christians are the irrationally obsessed ones, obsessed to the point where it warps and devastates their ability to accept reality/accept truth and be truthful.
You even show that you are in agreement with me by your silence about what I’ve said that IS right. Is anything that I’ve said correct? Are any large parts or entire refutations of certain arguments right? You don’t say. Instead you try to make it seem like I’m wrong because I “probably” might reject some truth that would refute all these irrefutable truths, and by not pointing out what I’ve said among my many points, are wrong! Aren’t there enough of them for me to have made a mistake somewhere, in your mind or that of other atheists? Yet you are the sixth one to make a comment after over 1000 views! The last one I ignored for starting out arrogantly with, “you are wrong on so many levels.” without a capital and ending in a period, and the one before that coming from someone with a very childish and insulting name, indicating they hadn’t bothered to carefully read what was written, and that even if they did, simply remained a mocker, and two before that coming from “asdf” and “qwer” which were from the same person, and simply insults. The other two you can see below in the comments unless you become blind, the web page fails to load, you become poor and can no longer afford the Internet, or disabled so that you can’t hear or see, or brain damages so that you can’t understand, or choose to be even more arrogant and pretend I’ve not read what you wrote carefully and that your time is too valuable even though I’ve replied to what you imply is an argument of arguments while simultaneously saying (and so contradicting yourself again) that ultimate proof has not yet been shown that Christianity is wrong.
Your arguments are even more vague than the ones I’ve listed here, even more confusing. And yet, if don’t reply, a person like you thinks, “See?” And my reply, “See what? That I used the good judgment not to respond to anything and everything that anyone thinks is true, in their own mind at least? Why don’t you allow me to have the same right as non-Christians: to ignore what is obviously wrong, useless and spend my time on something profitable and/or fun? Please? Do we Christians or theists have your permission to do something else that will earn us something of value and to have fun while doing it, rather than sitting and listening to atheists come up with the same bad arguments over and over till finally, “Oh, we’ve finally learned something new, we’ve finally progressed in science, forget the past 500+ bad arguments, deceptions, false headlines and all that other insignificant stuff, we really do honestly promise truly truly, this bigfoot video is really truly a real one, this UFO one really does proof UFOs, this video of ghosts really does prove demons, please, just watch one more, just hear us one more time and you will have the proof we want you to believe in!” No, I don’t want to watch another fake video titled, “Real Bigfoot Video, no joke, the real thing this time.” Enough is enough. You aren’t coming closer to truth when you reject it, but as the Bible prophesied:
“in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.” – 2 Timothy 3:29
Before I typed the verse, I noticed your email address, “animegamer5pak”. Big surprise, a cartoon gamer fanatic is making a giant argument of ignorance to me, or are you a dad using his kid’s account because he doesn’t have his own email yet? I should have looked at your email first to know more about you. No doubt you’re probably someone who spends must of his time wasting time on silly things, chatting in anime and gaming forums. You even sound like some anime character, an avatar of it’s ignorant writer. You’ll learn of value little from cartoons written by Buddhists and New Agers, that’s for sure.
c2) The other argument: “You are closed minded, you should be open minded (therefore what you know is wrong).” To what should I be open besides the vague, the ambiguous “that’s you’re wrong and others are right”? You didn’t read the article carefully, but supposing you did, then you didn’t take it to heart, it didn’t stay there, and you didn’t bother checking carefully your own arguments against the one already listed. You didn’t do what is good advice: check your logic. How many more times must an example of circular reasoning and non sequitur be pointed out to you? So, if you can’t get it through your head what those are, even if many examples are given to you, why should I read the rest of what you have to say? I won’t, because you’re arguing in ignorance and stubbornness. And despite all the careful reading I’ve done of your comment, I’d bet not a single thought of, “well at least you carefully read up to that part of my comment and took an apparent long amount of time to answer me and didn’t simply shoot out an answer right away, or as a malicious conniving troll would say, ‘(You) copy paste(d.)’ (meaning ‘to not thinking for yourself,’ and if merely ‘copy paste’ is?).” In my opinion, PROBABLY NOT. So, there is no winning with you, because:
If you read an argument that undeniably proved Christianity was right, would you actually accept it? But there are many such arguments, which together as a whole form a Super Argument, a shining monolith of truth, that isn’t hidden, but is right in front of you and all around you.
Oh, shame on me, I read one more sentence, which is the nail in the coffin for you here, because it’s a clearly narcissistic statement, you apparently have narcissism disorder:
” “A” for sheer volume of writing but nothing will come of this. ”
Really Emperor of the Planet Earth? Wow, you gave me an A for a large amount of ranting, which you can’t refute, yet acknowledge indirectly by silence is logical, and then declare the utterly stupid, as if you’re a prophet and insane, “no one will learn anything from this, only from my comment that no one will learning anything from this because it’s just a large amount of writing and nothing more.” Really Emperor of Earth? So preaching never convinces anything to become anything, not anti-Christian or Christian, not theist or atheist? Just, “nothing” huh? It didn’t even get you to write a long and arrogant reply that amounted to an ad hominem attack, hypocrisy, circular reasoning and your say so? How do you think many billions of people over thousands of years came to be religious Mr. Only I Am Wise and Can Know the Truth About Christianity? Or how even did millions become atheist? Was it because they in and of themselves had magic knowledge that just popped into their heads?
And yet you want me to let you advertise your blog? No way freeloader, WORK to get traffic and views Mr. “But Nothing Will Come of This Which Is Why I’m Replying and Posting A Link To My Blog” Michael. You are an arrogant insult robot, and a contradictory hypocrite, and in my opinion, you have narcissism disorder. May God continue to bless you till he gets rid of you in Hell for your unrelenting stubbornness, arrogance, and conniving, time-wasting idiotic hypocrisy. NOW, YOU ARE IGNORED, which you deserve for saying this was a hit and walk away comment and ignoring the clear undeniable truth, continuously seeing it, dismissing and ignoring it.