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Are Atheists Less Intelligent Than Theists In General? Judge.

In response to a the Cambridge Professor “Simon Baron-Cohen”, who wants everyone to be more specific then simply calling people “evil” and not looking into why a people are evil (as if no one ever tries to find out why people do evil things even though both former theists and religious people obviously do so all the time and though the Bible makes it clear why people are evil), an atheist named “Hector”, supposedly from Scotland, said,

I can buy this more than I can buy evil being a result of direct intervention by the Devil or any other made up mystical being. Why shouldn’t it be the case that “evil” people coming from terrible backgrounds, starved of love, nurturing and have suffered maltreatment, isolation and rejection. Why shouldn’t it be the case that society can looked into ways of fixing things.

– Hector, Edinburgh, Scotland, 08/5/2011 19:10

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So atheists are smarter than Christians huh.

Here’s my reply to comment:

“I can buy this more than I can buy evil being a result of direct intervention by the Devil or any other made up mystical being.”

The Devil isn’t “mystical”. And why would you be willing to “buy into” a made up being at all? I sure wouldn’t be willing to believe in lies. But an atheist would, as you admitted in your careless rant.

“Why shouldn’t it be the case that “evil” people coming from terrible backgrounds, starved of love, nurturing and have suffered maltreatment, isolation and rejection.”

Sadly, that jumble of words didn’t make any grammatical sense, so bad is the grammar, no point can be discerned by me, which is sad, since I usually can see the missing point in pointless and badly worded arguments.

“Why shouldn’t it be the case that society can looked into ways of fixing things.”

So, in your dark troll cave, no one has ever been “fixed” by becoming a Christian? No one has ever gotten better? No one has ever looked into “fixing” anyone? No Christian has? No Christian has ever helped anyone else to become a Christian and become more mentally stable and more logical? Get out of your dark troll hole and stop assuming things and babbling nonsense.

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  1. Louisa Allcyn
    December 3, 2011 at 5:15 AM

    I’m a christian and a psychology student and i think you’re very misguided in your understanding of what simon baron cohen articulated likewise hector’s. I think understanding why people are the way they are gives us a better grip of reaching out to them with love and acceptance. SBC in no way said people werent accountable for what they did as empathy is a learnt skill sometimes hampered by culture and genetics. People rise above things but people have their share of setbacks. At the end of the day we all have “evil”/or some degree of empathy erosion and defnitely we are all sinful creatures. Its my sincere wishes treat people regardless of how “stupid” they think they are with compassion and pray that they will be anointed by god since condemnation is not ours but the lords. Jesus never name called shot down prostitutes or others who were cruel. he even healed the ear of a man about to send him to the cross. He fought “evil” with love and blessing. I hope you do too.

    • December 3, 2011 at 7:31 AM

      “I’m a christian” meaning? What’s that’s supposed to do to me, get me to believe what you say more likely than an atheist? I’m not partial. Plus, You could be a false Christian, there are many, these are the last days, worse than any other time, so it has no effect on me to simply tell me that. In fact people who have said that to me or used that title sometimes turn out to be atheists being conniving and just trying to get me to be more likely to read what they say on a certain page in which I have already been attacked or harassed over. Moving on.

      “and a psychology student”

      Well now I’m impressed and be more likely to believe whatever you say because, you’re a student, of psychology, somewhere, with a link to a journal showing an impressive amount of study and insight into how humans reason. Wait, you don’t link to anything with credentials, and you’re an unknown. Nevermind. As a psychology student you might want to click that link to the right on Signs of a… Narcissist. You might learn to love more by being better able to understand yourself and others.

      “and i think you’re very misguided in your understanding of what simon baron cohen articulated likewise hector’s.”

      Now I am 100% convinced you’re right. You’re thoughts have taken over mine and eliminated them and replaced them with yours so that I now believe what you believe. I am now your student and you are my master, plus, you said, “articulated”, so how can you be wrong using impressive words like that. Only stupid, boring and mentally defective people use the word “said.” It’s so, not eloquent, and simple.

      “I think understanding why people are the way they are gives us a better grip of reaching out to them with love and acceptance.”

      You’re so right, this journal is so not about understanding people… did you notice the right hand side of this page you idiot? Did you bother reading? Did you bother reading this article that you’re commenting on? Not carefully. Notice down there on the right “The Signs of Psychopath”? Did you bother clicking it? No: because you’re too busy swimming in your feelings and opinions to learn. You hear, but don’t listen carefully. You interpret everything by feelings rather than logical thought. You need to learn about logical fallacies since your a deep diver of your own opinions. You need to get to the surface and breath some fresh air. Learn about logical fallacies, and read those carefully too, because atheists often list them and pretend they know what they are talking about merely because they copied and pasted them and replaced some of the examples with stereotypes of what theists say.

      Here’s one logical fallacy you’ve committed: Straw Man. You’ve implied that I’ve argued against understanding why people do what they do and why they think what they do, when many pages on my journal are about just that, especially the hardest topic of all: what people mean by “free will”. And you’ve implied I argue against loving people and that I’m against trying to understand them better in order to love them. Three straw men. Further, blind one, you’re also saying that we can love someone better if we understand them better: since when? Where did you pull that out of? So the better we understand why a psychopath would enjoy harming someone the more we can love them? Are you mentally sick yourself or confused to say such a thing? It’s not true in every situation that being able to understand someone better helps to love them then. See: you’re careful with what you say, because you aren’t careful with your logic. It’s people like you who end up being one of the 50% of married couples that divorce, or whatever the number is, because they marry over how they felt about someone more than over whether or not they had evidence that that person was trustworthy and compatible with them. You don’t need to “understand” someone and know their favorite color to love them. Plenty of people love someone over just how they look, plenty love someone just when they see they are poverty stricken and have no one to help them. The Bible doesn’t say, “Try to understand your neighbor or the visiting stranger to love them better, to love them more as yourself,” it just says to love them as you love yourself and do to them as you would have them do to you. You overcomplicated those laws which actually makes it harder to love someone. Just love the person, don’t “take a year to learn about them to love them more, ponder why they’ve murdered 20 children ever year and study each murder carefully.” Amazing you’d rather have someone ponder such things then read something peaceful carefully. What’s that say about you? It says you’re morally backwards and have your priorities backwards.

      “SBC in no way said people werent accountable for what they did as empathy is a learnt skill sometimes hampered by culture and genetics.”

      Empathy isn’t a “learnt skill”. Imagining situations is though. There is no learning to swing the sword of empathy better to better cut into anything. You sound like a pretentious narcissist the more I read what you say. You either have empathy or you don’t, you either allow yourself to feel deeply in an imagined situation and mindset or you don’t. But “feeling more deeply” isn’t a skill anymore than turning up the heat on a heater is. It’s not complicated: you either allow yourself to feel deeply or don’t. And pscyhopaths can’t feel compassion at all for others unless they see them as an extension of themself, which apparently they never do. You can learn more about empathy here: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-empathy.html, http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-empathy.htm. Further, your teaching which you claim to be his made no sense: You said, ” [SBC said?] empathy is a learnt skill sometimes hampered by culture and genetics [therefore SBC] in no way said people werent accountable for what they did [already do before having empathy].” He said that? And that teaching makes sense even if he did? You spoke out of laziness and arrogance and hatred, because clearly that’s a nonsensical teaching.

      “People rise above things but people have their share of setbacks.”

      Who said they didn’t? And no miss eager-to-teach: not everyone does, the Bible makes that very clear as does life to anyone who doesn’t have their head stuck deep in their feelings that everything is a blur around them. You can’t see anyone who has failed in life by not obeying God and dying unrepentant? You really haven’t heard of serial killers, rapists, thieves, child abusers, child-murderers, abortionists, adulterers, hate-mongers, slave-traders, racists, sexists, age-haters and tyrants who died without any sign of repentance? Do you have any empathy for the people they’ve wronged, or only for those who are or act evil?

      “At the end of the day we all have “evil”/or some degree of empathy erosion”

      You really should read http://narcissist.tk, because you’re rambling like one and this has nothing to do with the Bible or my post. Further, you don’t even get the point of what the people I’m speaking out against: He/they are talking about psychopaths and sociopaths, for you to imply that “oh we’re all no better than psychopaths because we all don’t have empathy for every single person we learn about” is putrified stupidity. You don’t have to empathize with every single person you hear about, there is such thing as “rest” and “relaxation”. You don’t need to be in a constant state of sadness, psychotic rage (and you never should be), or anger or trying to feel anger at someone for an unjust reason just so you can “empathize” with a person who was angry for an unjust reason, nor would that help you to love them better. In fact he Bible says being around such people for too long can lead to you becoming sinful too. So what do you think would happen if you were emphatic to psychotic hate or psychotic murder? For you to say we’re all lacking a conscience or it goes away when just because we want to rest is sick. As for sleeping, who in the world can help it when their conscience is “eroded” if they are sleeping (which no doubt you were too shallow to be talking about, and even if you were still would have been pointless and off subject). Once again: The subject is on people without a conscience and anti-social people perhaps, but anti-socials aren’t necessarily psychotics or narcissists. have You’re also saying what is obvious. Is it worth someone’s time, like mine, to say, “we all sin”? If you don’t understand me, and you obviously don’t, and haven’t barely read anything I’ve said, let alone carefully, then why are you going against what you say by then teaching me when you don’t know what it is I teach and saying I don’t do what I clearly do throughout my journal? You’re shallow and hypocritical but think you are deep because you keep throwing the word empathy around and combing it with colorful words like “erosion.” You’re not deep and wise just because you can rhyme. Many people string together pretty words and sentences in a song, and such songs, despite being nonsensical, vague or having no point can become very popular. It sounds to me like you are aiming for popularity rather than truth and godly love.

      “and defnitely we are all sinful creatures.”

      Wow, I never read anything like that in the Bible. And I always say we are all perfect don’t you know? I never said yesterday in Ohio’s Channel 10 News forum “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and rebuked the citizens there for condemning a man they didn’t know. Nope, never did that.

      “Its my sincere wishes treat people regardless of how “stupid” they think they are with compassion”

      Who said I didn’t treat people with compassion who think themselves to be stupid? You really didn’t notice the suicide link? Are you assuming or accusing me of not having compassion on people who are humble or who regularly insult themselves due to an abusive parent or lover? You’re offending me, or are you using my journal as a stage for you to boast about your goodness, or both?

      “and pray that they will be anointed by god”

      You’re right, instead I do wrong by praying that everyone will go to Hell who isn’t as smart as me. What subject would you like to teach next here, how to pressure cook?

      “since condemnation is not ours but the lords.”

      Thank you for passing judgment on me for saying, “I condemn you for being an atheist, you are going to Hell.” Great judgment you have. Yet you seem to me to be implying God never condemns: therefore don’t condemn, which isn’t what the Bible teaches:

      “Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment.” – Christ.

      “The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.” – Luke 11:31-32

      “Jesus never name[-]called”

      You’re right, he never called anyone slimy snakes, vipers, hypocrites, and Paul never called anyone moros (morons). I love that in the Bibe, “Thou shalt not use names.” Names are so bad right? I hate labels too. When I go to the super market and see “steak” on a package, I rip it off and curse the label. And when I see someone say something is bad, I say, “I can’t judge you by saying it’s bad to say something is bad, so I’ll just stare at you, unless I think you’re a fundamentalist Christian, that’s definitely bad, but I still won’t call you that, but I will say you’re doing bad, cuz, you’re a fundie. Oops I called you a name, not sorry though.”

      “shot down prostitutes”

      *Hides his smoking prostitute-shooting gun (how did she know I shoot prostitutes?)*

      “or others who were cruel.”

      What? Grammar. You really should pay more attention to what you say. It’s more important to make sense then to merely sound wise.

      “he even healed the ear of a man about to send him to the cross.”

      Damn I suck lemons for not being able to heal ears of people who are condemning me. Can you please pray God will anoint me to heal your ear if it ever gets cut off for accusing me of what I haven’t done when I’ve done just have opposite right in front of your face Miss, “I can’t see that ‘How to get eternal life’ or ‘Suicide prevention’ link”?

      “He fought “evil” with love and blessing.”

      Just ignore the part about slimy snakes, vipers, hypocrites, white-washed sepulchers and fool.

      “I hope you do too.”

      Instead of hoping and accusing and being a fault-finder, a “negative” person, and thinking you’re righteous for condemning me every which way except by using names (the sign of an ignorant, arrogant, child-minded adult to think that way), you could admit what was right in front of your face the whole time you were judging me. And did you notice the old testament? Or any verse in which God condemns or punishes? He doesn’t forgive everyone, but you seem to me like you think he does. You seem to be arguing that no one should be angry at sin because God merely forgives everything.

      Louisa’s second version:

      “Since you are touchy about grammar i double checked myself.”

      What were you saying about name-calling Miss Hates to Acknowledge the Importance of Grammar? Evil moron: I am not petty like idiots like yourself, and atheists who dwell over supposed mispellings or typos, I am not a stupid atheist you dagger-shooting, name-calling libeling, hypocrite. I point out grammar, obviously, you idiot, when it shows a person is not understandable and not making a point, which when they do, is often something known as, “begging the question.” Though you don’t need to make a grammar error, you can simply say, “You name-called,” and not say what your point is, and you’ve done that, among other wrong things.

      “I’m a christian and a psychology student and i think you’re very misguided in your understanding of what simon baron cohen articulated likewise hector’s. I think understanding why people are the way they are gives us a better grip and helps us reach out to them with love and acceptance. SBC in no way said people werent accountable for what they did as empathy is a learnt skill sometimes hampered by culture and genetics. People rise above things but people have their share of setbacks. At the end of the day we all have “evil”/or some degree of empathy erosion and defnitely we are all sinful creatures. Its my sincere wish that we all treat people regardless of how “stupid” we think they are with compassion and pray that they will be anointed by god since condemnation is not ours but the Lords. Jesus never name called or shot down prostitutes or others who were cruel. he even healed the ear of a man about to send him to the cross. He fought “evil” with love and blessing. I hope you do too.”

      Awesome, you got rid of your grammar mistakes, now more important: learn to make sense and humble yourself. It’s not those who prize eloquence over wisdom and sincerely finding out his will that God anoints. It’s not the arrogant the he gives wisdom to, but those who love his law will be exalted forever. I hope you have empathy for me. Try reading my about me, maybe it will help you to love me more.

  2. Louisa Allcyn
    December 3, 2011 at 5:22 AM

    Since you are touchy about grammar i double checked myself.

    I’m a christian and a psychology student and i think you’re very misguided in your understanding of what simon baron cohen articulated likewise hector’s. I think understanding why people are the way they are gives us a better grip and helps us reach out to them with love and acceptance. SBC in no way said people werent accountable for what they did as empathy is a learnt skill sometimes hampered by culture and genetics. People rise above things but people have their share of setbacks. At the end of the day we all have “evil”/or some degree of empathy erosion and defnitely we are all sinful creatures. Its my sincere wish that we all treat people regardless of how “stupid” we think they are with compassion and pray that they will be anointed by god since condemnation is not ours but the Lords. Jesus never name called or shot down prostitutes or others who were cruel. he even healed the ear of a man about to send him to the cross. He fought “evil” with love and blessing. I hope you do too.

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