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Simpletons Deceiving Simpletons: Fake Bible and Astrology Expert Leftie1959 Is Refuted by a Chrisian

My response to astrology-bashers Val V and leftie1959 who rejected my answers on Yahoo! Answers:

Val V, why did you flatter leftie who yes, did analyze, but did so carelessly (with regards to the truth) and hatefully? Didn’t I warn you to beware of such answers? Why did you reject mine when I also analyzed all possible aspects? You let your pride get in the way of truthful reasoning. That is a shame. Like Paul prophesied,


"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires,
they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say
what their itching ears want to hear
2 Timothy 4:3

leftie1959: "wow…awesome !!! Yes, it has biblical references in many parts of the bible."
Because you said so, what religion are you trying to teach us?

leftie1959: "P.S. Rotty mom …!!! what planet are u from ? Where does it say what you are referencing to ?"

Didn’t you know that chatting is against Yahoo! Answers’ rules let alone that flattery is against the Bible’s? Can you do what’s right and look up the meaning of the word flattery? It’s something you obviously wanted from the rant you posted.

leftie1959: "P.S. Seven… instead of reading one psalm, babylonians were doing witchcraft and what not. Astrology guided the 3 wise men to Bethlemen." All it takes is ONE VERSE to refute a FALSE TEACHING. What kind of horrible reasoning is that to brush away the truth because you don’t like that not more than one Psalm let alone verses were cited? So if someone points out that the Bible says it’s wrong to lie in ONE PLACE you think you are justified in saying "NO, THAT’S JUST ONE VERSE" to excuse lying? On top of that the references I cited show more verses. See, you don’t care about the truth, you care about showing off for shallow praise, that is shameful. And again: because you said so. What are you Biblical references for you claim that ASTROLOGY guided these wise men? Furthermore, where does the Bible say there are three wise men? You are PARROTING lies, that is why you misstate what the Bible teaches. Furthermore, since when do stars move to hover over a spot UNDER the sky? See?: You assume and then bash CHRISTIANS based on your assumptions.

leftie1959: "They were foretold to follow that Star and that it would lead them to the NewBorn."

That sentence doesn’t even make grammatical sense. You can’t FORETELL A PERSON, YOU FORETELL THE FUTURE. Furthermore YOU JUST LIED IN THE REST OF YOUR REPLY TO ME SAYING "Astrology has nothing to do with prophecy." yet there you are contradicting yourself saying that it was foretold using astrology that Jesus would be where this star led them to look for him. Your pride and reasonless hate blinded you.

leftie1959: "The Psalms verse 19:1-3 states, “The heavens declare the glory of God. The skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech. Night after night they display knowledge. " This is Astrology and only for those who can READ IT CORRECTLY AND USE IT PROPERLY TO HELP OTHERS."


Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man.
UNDERSTANDING;in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make
your paths straight.
Proverbs 3:5-6
P.S. Daniel Knight… what religion are you trying to teach us?

P.S. leftie1959 and Val: Because you said so. What religion are you trying to teach us God-obeying Christians MR. Dramatic "" who thinks mere sarcasm makes him right?… Oh look at that, I can type three periods in a row too! That means you’re wrong and I’m right.  :  )  Right oh wise and loving astrology believers? Calvinism is not an obscure religion with 75+ million adherents (how many are in your "Church of Light"?), nor are the other Christian denominations which teach that the Bible condemns astrology, and that includes: CATHOLICISM (IS THAT POPULAR ENOUGH FOR YOU MR. POPULARITY MAKES A THING TRUE? WELL MR. CHRISTIANITY SCHOLAR?), PENTECOSTAL, RUSSIAN ORTHODOX, GREEK ORTHODOX, ANGLICAN, AND MANY MORE. Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses preach again it as to many Christian denominations considered "cults". And since you asked me, why didn’t you bother to find out and look at my profile instead of making an insult in ignorance?

leftie1959: "Astrology has nothing to do with prophecy." Then why did you say to everyone, ""They were FORETOLD to follow that Star and that it would lead them to the NewBorn." "FORETOLD" means "PROPHECY", How did you forget that obvious fact Mr.Astrology and Christianity Expert Who Reads the Bible Right? What religion is this you are teaching us Christians? And why did you put newborn as NewBorn? Who in the world has ever used such a capitalization scheme?

leftie1959: "When someone prophesizes and claims to be a god…this is evil."

You can’t even figure out the the past tense spelling of prophesy (and couldn’t be bothered to use a dictionary to do so) yet pretend not just to be a master astrologer, and on top of that,  more knowledgeable then I and 7 on what the Bible teaches which we ACCURATELY INTREPRETED? PRO FE SIZES as in sizes of things, sounds like the correct spelling to you? How old are you? I’ve never seen such a misspelling. Where does the Bible teach that prophecy is evil? So all the 60+ "PROPHETS" as God and Jesus called them, were evil for prophesying? So GOD who says he foretells the future, IS EVIL FOR PROPHESYING? So Jesus who prophesied the future was evil for doing so?:

"This is what the Yahweh says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer,
Yahweh Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened
since I established my ancient people,

and what is yet to come—
yes, let him foretell what will come.

Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
No, there is no other ROCK; I know not one."

So mocking someone who does know the Bible which you clearly don’t, makes your religion valid and mine not? Why did you merely ask my religion AND MOCK IT instead of checking out the Bible to see if what I said was true? Again: do sarcastic questions show you are wise? Is it proof you know what you are talking about merely to mock let alone mock an obvious Christian? And where does the Bible say that it’s wrong to call yourself a god (and what does that even have to do with the question or my answer)? You’re wrong again, it says,
"Jesus answered them,
‘Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?
If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—
and the Scripture cannot be broken—
what about the one whom the Father set apart
as his very own and sent into the world?
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy
when I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"

John 10:34-36
leftie1959: "Astrology does not claim to replace God"

Who said it did? Why are you putting words in my mouth let alone God’s? So you set up a fake argument, and then argue against it to make yourself look wise. Is that approved of in the Bible, to lie? LYING is what is wrong.

leftie1959: "but rather to show the way to avoid errors."


leftie1959: "The Church of Light and the Brotherhood of Light, both teach astrology AND I PERSONALLY HAVE PASSED THE ENTIRE 21 DEGREES"

And since when does going to school or being taught mean that you’ve learned anything let alone anything true? So people never lie for fame or money? Who taught you that stupid way of thinking? And you’ve just demonstrated what your SUPER OBSCURE RELIGION is worth (so much for your popularity contest), how helpful that training you claim to have been given has been by your lies about the Bible, opinion-parroting, gullibility, arrogant mocking, boasting about degrees which have no apparent credibility, and using dishonest means to convince people that you are telling the truth (such as pure mockery and this baseless question you asked next):

leftie1959: "and why would the Church of Light teach this if is it bad ?"
Again: Is asking a rhetorical question let alone you asking it, magically evidence that you’re right? If so, then I’ve refuted you with that one (but unlike yours mine actually is evident, evident from common experience if not common insticnt on top of it). Hey check out this childish logic: "and why would I, Daniel Knight, a Christian, lie about the Bible?" So then, I miut be telling the truth because I asked a merely sarcastic question leftie and val! Isn’t that neat how your childish logic works both ways? So much for your magical "Ask a rhetorical question and you’re right" logic. And leftie, what religion are you trying to teach us? Mind telling us about this Church of Light instead of trying to get gullible people to assume that it’s good merely because you asked rhetorical question? Leftie, how about you learn to use evidence and use it rather than counting on your mere word to convince people, which is dishonest and criminal when people’s lives are stake, including the lives of children. How about being honest?

leftie1959: "P.S. Seven… you can post the psalms you want … I can post psalms that will contradict you." Because you said so; again, your mere word is not evidence of anything, especially after the MAJOR CONTRADICTION on your explanation of what astrology is. And please do show us these psalms expert on Christianity and the Bible.

leftie1959: "Do you know that THE CHURCH OF LIGHT & THE BROTHERHOOD OF LIGHT teach astrology?"

Yeah; because you already told us with, "The Church of Light and the Brotherhood of Light, both teach astrology AND I PERSONALLY HAVE PASSED THE ENTIRE 21 DEGREES". Forget what you say right after you say it much? Mind not repeating? Mind not ranting? Do you have memory problems? You forgot the definition of astrology and what you’ve repeated in your short rant so obviously you do. On top of that, so what if they teach astrology? Wow, so merely teaching something means that that person knows what they are talking about huh? You sure demonstrated that’s not true here. But ok: Did you know that I not only teach what the Bible says (as 7 did) but that I’ve written books on it, more than 3? Large books mind you. Are you going to assume what’s in them? I’ll help you out: One is called 100+ Arguments Against Christianity. Can you guess what it’s about? Another I edited is called, "101 Cleared Up Contradictionsin the Bible". Can you guess what it’s about? Two others are called "As Wise As Serpents As Peaceful As Doves" which are split into two books because they are too expensive to publish as a single book, it would be over 500 pages long if it were one book. Did you know that I also lead over 100 people to become Christians? Unfortunteately all you have is my word on that, but since I’ve demonstrated that I’m trustworthy, you can’t call me a liar. So who is the expert on the Bible between us? Show me your books that are comparable to mine, or even pamphlets (which I also have by the way). You obviously have nothing to show for your supposed knowledge of the Biblical doctrine. The best you can do is throw up some titles and point to web pages as if just doing that means you read them or know what you’re talking about.

leftie1959: "Where do you think I got my degrees? Out of a Kellogs’s corn flake box?" Oh look at that everyone, another merely sarcastic rhetorical question, that must make him right! They might as well have with the stupid things you’ve said to us. On top of that, again, how is a rhetorical question, let alone made in sarcasm, evidence that you are right; that your degrees are credible? What is this obscure religion you are trying to teach us?

leftie1959: "And the Babylonians were condemned because they were pretending to be gods." To imply, let alone claim, that YOUR MERE WORD IS TRUTH MERELY BECAUSE YOU PRODUCED IT, IS IMPLYING THAT YOU ARE NOT JUST A GOD, BUT THE GOD FROM WHICH TRUTH HAS IT’S EXISTANCE; GOD HIMSELF. The only person who is right whenever they speak, is God, and even God shows evidence that what he says is true, he doesn’t just say, "Because I said so, check out my degrees, I promise they are trustworthy, just take my word for it, they didn’t come from a cereal box, ok? Believe me, please?" Furthermore, did the Babylonians interpret that writing on the wall that only Daniel (a Christian) could? Did their astrological wisdom help them? No, not at all. God himself told Daniel what he wrote, Daniel didn’t look at the positions of stars for the truth, God told him the truth plainly.

leftie1959: "I do spiritual astrology and do not pretend to be God and most of my predictions,"

You’ve been doing that all along as I’ve shown.

leftie1959: "were dead on."

Because you said so, and whatever you say is true because you’re God. Not. Oh wait, it’s because you strongly feel your right; then I’m right too because I strongly feel I’m right too. But no, the truth isn’t determined by mere belief, but since you believe that, that is why you believe in astrology, which is also based on your mere word. Even the Darwinist controlled Wikipedia requires references (though hypocritically leaves out it’s evolution references often), yet you expect us to believe you based on your mere claims, or your feelings? Can you imagine going to court to face murder charges, and you say to the judge, "Judge, I’m a good astrologer, I treat people nice, where do you think my degrees came from, a cereal box?" and the judge saying, "Great, case dismissed" and seriously believe that that would happen in reality? The only time that would happen is if the judge personally knew you and hated the people that you supposedly murdered, and / or if you had bribed him or he suspected you would in return for unjustly helping you. Either than or it would be little kid judging you, an ignorant one.

leftie1959: "If God would not give us signs to read the heavens, he wouldn’t have made any predictions come true."

You told us prophecy is evil, and now you’re justifying it because God said he’d give signs or rather does, in the heavens? On top of that God makes it clear (especially since he condemned astrology) that those signs were keyed to HIS PROPHECIES GIVEN THROUGH THE PROPHETS OF THE BIBLE AND CHRISTIANS WHICH WOULD BE DONE JUST BEFORE HE RETURNED, not some astrologer’s or just anyone’s prophecies. On top of that he also made the stars so that we could tell what time it was. Without the sun or moon you’d have to keep time using some other method, a hard one like having someone counting nonstop keeping the same pace and that is highly error prone for humans. And without the stars it would be harder to figure out what season it was and ships would have a harder time navigating the oceans. Those are the signs he is talking about, besides the general glory it gives him for his functional artwork to be displayed.

leftie1959: "HERE IS SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT…….. In Judges 5:20 it describes the ‘stars’ in battle, “They fought from the heaven. The stars in their courses fought against Ciceria.”

Why do you not consider the verses that I and 7 showed you not food for thought? Why do you ignore them and cite verses which you pretend are right and totally ignore what the verses we mention say? Your evil way says, "The Bible only says what I want it to mean, not you Christians who use it to show me that that belief is wrong". It also says, "The Bible contradicts itself, but it still means whatever I tell you it says because only I can ‘READ IT CORRECTLY‘". Your words not mine contradictory teacher. And you’re quoting a verse that is using a figure of speech; it doesn’t say, "astrology is true, so trust leftie". It doesn’t mean that stars literally battled. Even if stars were alive and literally fought each other, how would that be evidence that personality traits of humans can be known from the stars or that astrology accurately predicts future let alone that God approves of astrology being used to do either of those things? You are blind and deluded. You might as well have quoted any verse mentioning a star and pretended that meant, "astrology is good!" If I struck your mouth for lying to the world, including kids in great pain who desperately need help to live, would that mean I always tell the truth, that God approves of what I say, or that I can prophecy accurately or always do? Of course not. Fighting is neither good or bad in and of itself.

leftie1959: "In Jeremiah 10:2 it says, “…do not be dismayed by signs from heaven.”

Which is a statement that neither says astrology is true or bad, it simply mens not to lose trust in God over things you see in the heavens. On top of that, where are these psalms that could refute 7? Why are you pointing out these verses, which don’t show that astrology is permitted at all?

leftie1959: "We need to"

Why do "we need to"? Because you said so?

leftie1959: "be open to the realization of messages in the heavens."

We Calvinistic Christians are, who said we weren’t? Jesus said there would be fearful signs in the sky pointing to the time when God would return, didn’t you know that oh wise master of Christianity ?:

I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh.

Joel 2:30-31
Are you ready for those signs? Are you ready for that dreadful day? What about these signs?:
"Judgment Againstthe Nations Come near, you nations, and listen;
pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it,
the world, and all that comes out of it! Yahweh is angry with all nations;
his wrath is upon all their armies. He will totally destroy them,
he will give them over to slaughter. Their slain will be thrown out,
their dead bodies will send up a stench;
the mountains will be soaked with their blood.
All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved
and the sky rolled up like a scroll;
all the starry host will fall
like withered leaves from the vine,
like shriveled figs from the fig tree."
Isaiah 34:1-5
So much for your precious stars.
leftie1959: "In Psalms 136:7-9,"

Finally you quote a psalm, let’s see what it says,

leftie1959: "it says, “Who made the great lights? His love endures forever; the sun to govern the day, the moon and stars to govern the night.”

Yes, everyone on the planet knows that. What does that say about astrology? Oh, your right! My and 7 and the other 1 billion Christians misread it!:

“Who made astrology?
His astrology endures forever;
the positions of the stars will determine
what will happen each day and night.”

No, it doesn’t say that at all. You’re twisting God’s word, pretending it says something it doesn’t, and if your really believe that that is what it means, then you are deeply deluded and hate the truth God teaches. GOD determines what will happen from before he even created time, not the stars:
"he made from one man every nation of mankind
to live on all the face of the earth,
having determined allotted periods
and the boundaries of their dwelling place,
that they should seek God,
in the hope that they might feel their way
toward him and find him."
Act 17:26
leftie1959: "In Psalms 147:3-4 it says, “God heals the broken hearted and binds up their wounds. He determines the number of stars and calls them each by name.”

And what it doesn’t say is: “Stars heals the broken hearted and binds up their wounds using astrology.

Why do you miss this part?: "God heals the broken hearted and binds up their wounds" and focus on the stars he created instead? Why do you take the focus off God and put and glorify the stars as being of greater importance than the gospel that leads to eternal life and salvation from an eternity of suffering in total darkness in Hell?

"This is what Yahweh Almighty says:
‘Administer true justice;
show mercy and compassion to one another.’"

Zechariah 7:9
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
You give a tenth of your spices— mint, dill and cummin,
but you have neglected the more important matters of the law
— justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter
without neglecting the former."

Matthew 23:23
"If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns Yahweh gives youis found doing evil in the eyes of Yahweh your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. 7 The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge THE EVIL from among you." – Deuteronomy 17:2-7
"do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices DIVINATION or sorcery, INTERPRETS OMENS, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is DETESTABLE to Yahweh, and because of these detestable practices Yahweh your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before Yahweh your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, Yahweh your God has not permitted you to do so. Yahweh your God will raise up for you a prophet like me FROM AMONG YOUR OWN BROTHERS [not a super obscure ‘Church of Light’]. You must listen to him." – Deuteronomy 18:9-14
And what is you defense leftie and val and all you astrologers? Are you going to do the fault-finder bit and say, "Oh the Bible really can’t be trusted, so forget we ever mentioned it! And it doesn’t really say "witch" therefore ignore every other single verse and listen to everything we say is true and just take our word for it including the word that our degrees are credible let alone that they really exist!" I hope not. And so you know, it does say, "witch" according to the ancient Hebrew speakers, and I will believe someone who is an expert in Hebrew, or fluent in it, who says that "witch" is the correct translation over your "21 degrees" of hateful nonsense, contradictions, and mere claims. "although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." – Romans 1:21-3

"’They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’
‘You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.
And he said to them: ‘You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God
in order to observe your own traditions! …you nullify the word of God by your tradition
that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.’"

Mark 7:7-9, 13
Yet what did Val say of your answer to her (and this is her centering style, not mine)?:
Thank you Leftie! :) Very well done!!! I love how you analyzed every aspect and added the necessary details. Thanks to everyone for answering =)

You sure showed your thanks by choosing that hateful, Christian-bashing rant. Two evil bigots sanctioned by Yahoo! Morality Moderators, morality moderators who awarded you with a "top contributor badge" for your vain, bigoted, ranting all the way to Level 6 and counting.

Update (4/7/08): Val V blocked me after seeing this journal entry.
So much for her, "thankyou for all your answers" flattery.
"Do you see a man wise in his own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Proverbs 26:12
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