James Beller: Another Lying Arminian to Ignore
“Upon examination of the history of the Baptist movement, it is no surprise to me that Baptists have strayed from their Calvinist roots: there is no evidence that Baptists greatly accepted Calvinism.”
Yet on the same page this propaganda heretic earlier had said, quoting Thomas Armitage,
“‘By 1643, the Calvinist Baptist Churches in and about London had increased to seven, while the non-Calvinistic Churches numbered thirty-nine, forty-six in all. The English Calvinistic Churches, together with a French Church of the some faith, eight in all, issued a Confession of Faith in 1643.’ –History of the Baptists by Thomas Armitage, 1887, p.460.
Armitage, in stating the number of Churches in London, tells us that the Calvinist type Baptist Churches were clearly in the minority.”
How if there were two very different types of Baptists, when it comes to how one is saved (as there still are today) are they “one” in Mr. James Beller’s mind? Can anyone say, “liar, deceived, deluded, smoke screen artist, or weasel-worder”? I can. Again Beller quotes Armitage then adds sophisty,
“The controversy between the Regulars and Separates was in full bloom in the 1780’s in Virginia. Armitage tells us how it was resolved:
‘The Calvinistic controversy had been imported by the General and Particular Baptists, who had come from England. For a time they lived happily with each other, probably held together by the cohesive power of opposition from without. But, by and by, as they became stronger, they dropped the names of General and Particular and conducted their doctrinal contest under the name of Separate and Regular Baptist. Samuel Harriss, John Waller and Jeremiah Walker were leaders of the Arminian side, while E. Craig, William Murphy and John Williams were leaders on the Calvinistic side; but while they conducted their debates with great freedom and utterance, they also clung to each other with brotherly love. Having suffered so much together in a common cause, the thought of separation was too painful to be endured. They, therefore, treated each other with all the cordiality of Christian gentlemen, or as Mr. Spurgeon would say, they agreed to keep two bears in their house, ‘bear and forbear;’ and the result was, after a long and full discussion in 1787, they agreed to know each other, and to be known to others, as The United Baptist Churches of Christ in Virginia.’ History of the Baptists by Thomas Armitage, 1887, p.780-781
Historically speaking, they did not have to be either, or they could be one or another. Is it becoming clear to you?”
Not by the way you try and pull the wool James the Sophist Weasel Worder. It’s clear from the historical records you are spinning (despite you trying to make them appear to say something else) that there was a God-fearing minority (as the Bible says will be the situation) that tolerated the heretics. They clearly shouldn’t have, as such behavior helps heretics like you to secretly worm their way in and sow confusion and a false gospel. Mr. Beller then said,
“Please don’t tell the world that Baptists are historically ‘Calvinist’. You would not be in agreement with Crosby, Benedict. or Armitage.”
Because you said so James. James, please don’t tell the world that Baptists are historically ‘Arminian’. You would not be in agreement with Crosby, Benedict, or Armitage who you quote and pretend said something else.
James then goes on to try and deceive us by using the old Satanic logic of guilt by association, saying,
“And when Calvinism gained influence it degenerated in hyper-Calvinism…”
Did you notice that spin tactic he used? The old, “The bad people got worse and turned super evil”, “the bad people showed they couldn’t be trusted” and the “guilt by association” tactic, favorite tactics used by anti-Christians, including atheists like Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan, and their dead master Charles Darwin (that guy who liked to beat animals to death). So if James wants to play the old guilt by association card, he should be looking at where his evil tactics came from and those who regularly use them.
The next part of his sentence makes it more clear what kind of psychological deception he’s attempting:
“…and had to be defeated by aggressive soul winning efforts and teaching.”
Yes, the old “Villify the enemy then glorify yourself by claiming to have done mighty good” or “stack ’em up then knock ’em down” and “the dirtiness had to be scrubbed hard off the rug to make it perfectly clean”. Evil.
After saying that, James the Weasel Worder then said,
“[Calvinism] can be aberrant when it descends into a predestinated election that discourages soul winning evangelism” is as nonsensical as saying, “Scripture can be aberrant when it descends into the word of man”.
Wrong: Calvinism that is aberrant isn’t Calvinism any more than when you modify a verse from the Bible to say something else is still Scripture.
Another Satanic tactic Mr. Beller used on that site was to take Crosby out of context: James said,
“Thomas Crosby, the oldest English Baptist historian, in commenting about the London Confession and Particular (Calvinistic) and General (non-Calvinistic) redemption said,
‘And I know that there are several churches, ministers, and many particular persons, among the English Baptists, who desire not to go under the name either of these heads; because they receive what they think to be truth, without regarding with what human schemes it agrees or disagrees.” Thomas Crosby–History of the English Baptists, Vol. I p. 174. 1740.'”
Question for you James the Deceiver: What did Thomas Crosby, who you oh so love, say on page 173? RIGHT before page 174 James? I’ll tell you and everyone else,
“It may be proper to observe here, that there have been two parties of the English Baptists ever since the beginning of the reformation; those that have followed the Calvinistical scheme or doctrines, and from the principal points therein, personal election, and have been termed Particular Baptists: And those that have professed the Arminian or remonstrant tenets; and have also from the chief of those doctrines, universal redemption, been called General Baptists” (Thomas Crosby, I. p. 173).
*Puts on a cheerleading outfit*: Come on Arminiests. Give me a capitial “O”, now a lower case “o”, another lower case “o” and another lower case “o”, now a lower case “p” now a lower case “s”! What does that spell!?: “Ooops!”
So what are Beller’s problems with Calvinists? Well, he says in his “listen to how I talk like snooty scholar therefore I must be one” way:
“When the ana-Baptists began to rub elbows with the reformers in the16th century, the history of the actions of the reformers against the Anabaptists makes me lose respect for the reformed, to wit:
The retaining of infant Baptism by the reformers and allowing the idea of Baptism as a means to grace as part of certain reformed doctrine.”
Mr. Beller, being a liar, doesn’t mention that Calvnists don’t believe baptism can save a person and that T.U.L.I.P. makes it clear they wouldn’t. This is even confirmed on Wikipedia (Wikipedia is no Calvin-friendly site):
“Presbyterian and Reformed Christians contend that baptism is not a mere symbol, but actually conveys grace. The grace it conveys, however, is not justifying grace. It may convey sanctifying grace or some other kind of grace. Baptism, according to this tradition, does not produce Christians, but it identifies the child as a member of the covenant community.”
Context is very important James, as are the different ways people use words. Mr. Beller then said,
“The evidence in Mennonite history of the hoodwinking of the Waldenses by the reformers of Switzerland. The evidence shows that the reformers (Zwingles’ supporters) convinced them that their doctrine was ‘reformed’. How could their doctrine be reformed, since their doctrines of grace existed long before Calvin or Luther were ordained Catholic priests?”
That’s ironic to babble about since some Anabaptists followed Menno. “Ooops” on you again James. And what do the heretic Mennonites deceiving the violent Waldenses who didn’t believe in the trinity and who joined the Calvinists and became law-abiding people have to do with Calvinists preaching a false gospel, which is what matters above Beller’s petty complaints? Mr. Beller then said,
“The martyr’s deaths at the hand of the reformed in Germany, England and especially Switzerland.”
What martyrs Beller the Slanderer? The fanatical Quakers who wouldn’t stop harassing the Puritans (who were Calvinists)? Can we have some references please? Oh, are you talking about the heretic Servetus who wanted to teach everyone that there was no trinity and who mocked Calvin when Calvin wrote kindly to him? Do you mean Servitus who harassed Calvin and went to Geneva despite Calvin warning him not to go there? Did you know Calvin also tried to prevent Servetus from dying a painful death by fire (yet slanderers like yourself claim the oppposite). And so, if another Christian sins against another, like you have, that automatically makes them untrustworthy in whatever they say about God? Is that what the Bible says? No. Mr. Beller then said,
“The exclusion of Baptist people from the bounds of orthodoxy in England in the 17th century.”
Here we go again with the snooty, petty, pointless accusation. I thought some Baptists were Calvinists Beller? Don’t you remember your own quotes of the Baptist historians you esteem? So why are you claiming that all Baptists are the same? Mr. Beller then said,
“The beatings and banishments of the Baptists in America’s New England in the 17th century.”
Again, are all Baptists the same according to the historians you quoted? No. Why then are you lying by claiming they are? What a stupid liar you are.
Another shameful weasel-worded sentence on that rant of Mr. Beller’s was,
“Calvin’s followers originated the Presbyterians; and many other sects…”.
Can you spot the weasel word? For those who can’t, it’s: “sect“. Rather than being righteous, Mr. Beller pollutes the air and leaves smelly droppings. Rather than saying “denomination“, he resorts to slander.
One of the definitions of sect is,
“a group regarded as heretical or as deviating from a generally accepted religious tradition.”
Can anyone find Mr. Beller saying that the Anabaptists or Baptists are a sect, before this blog entry was published? No, but he will use the word denomination when referring to Baptists. In a piece he wrote called, “The Coming Destruction of the Baptist People” Mr. Beller said,
“You can go to various sources to find out about the history of Baptists. Each will list several Baptist distinctives, all of which are clearly stated New Testament doctrines. The lack of these doctrines in today’s Baptist churches should in itself be enough to alert members of the world’s largest non-Catholic denomination.”
What could he possibly be getting at… I wonder what is this evil vile harmful stuff he’s afraid is destrying the Baptist people? That perfectly unified Baptist people. Hmmmm. Could it be, CALVINISM!? *Rolls eyes.*
Let’s see if I’m right–I’ll read some more of “The Coming Destruction of the Baptist People and the Invasion of Planet Earth by the Falcon Men of Mars”:
“Most of all, Baptists used to rely solely on the Bible for all things moral and spiritual. Belief in the inerrancy and the authority was the impetus for soul-winning and church planting that sparked a 100 year revival. But today, this is true in only a few, independent, fundamental KJV-only, Bible-believing Baptist churches”
Uh oh, major red heretic flag: “KJV-only“. We’ve got a contentious divisive man on our hands here people.
A: “Thou musteth speaketh oldish Englisheth or thouest shallest be damndest.”
A: “Modern English is a sin to speak so don’t speak it” hypocrite.
A: “It’s a sin to think for yourself and attempt to learn ancient Hebrew and Greek, God doesn’t want you to try and reason, but only to believe what I tell you to believe.”
He later says,
“Yeah, there is a coming destruction of the Baptist people. And it’s self-inflicted.”
He sounds like an over dramatic surfer boy sophist.
Hmmm, no mention of Calvinism. He’s a slippery eel. John McCain would love this guy.
From a website of one of his fangirls I found a letter from him which says,
“Some have accused me of being a “Calvinist.” This is not true, and I vehemently oppose Augustinianism in all of its forms including “Calvinism.” I’m an ex-Roman Catholic, who was converted at age 17 after reading a gospel tract, and I have journeyed as far away from Rome as I can get.”
Why did he put Calvinist in quotes? Are Calvinists not real? Weird. He then said,
“I believe that the polarized political spectrums of Left and Right have American and Baptist heritage wrong. And it is high time Baptists got their true identity back. If we do not, the vital principles of the Baptists will fade away and with it, the vital principles of American Government.”
Huh? What’s Calvinism have to do with Augustustine? Weird. And what happened to the staying out of government like the supposedly true line of Anabapists believed in? Or is Mr. Beller going to say that was a bad line of Anabaptists (and then marginalize them like he did the Calvinists)?
Mr. Beller doesn’t seem to want anyone to know what Anabaptists were really like, but I’ll show you:
1. Some followed Menno Simons. Menno taught false gospel: he taught that Jesus did not take the flesh from his Mary, but either brought his body from heaven or had one made for him by the Word. So, Jesus wasn’t human according to Menno, and therefore didn’t have human blood, didn’t have human flesh, and wasn’t a man. So much for Jesus being being a son of David, a Judean, and being a perfect man in the place of sinners. Instead Menno would have us believe an alien was God’s Son. Some even said that Christ passed through his mother as water through a pipe into the world (rather than being fed through the umbilical cord and forming within her like any other human baby). 15th century pictures and sculptures and earlier ones, showed that this idea originated from Marcion in the 2nd century. Because of this, these Anabaptists and the Mennonites were repeatedly accused of denying the Incarnation of Christ, but, Menno denied these accusations.
2. They believd that Christians should not own things used to kill, which includes things which could be used to kill animals, like bows, arrows, spears, slings, knives, swords, and guns. So much for hunting, spear fishing and defending yourself from wild animals which God told the ancient Israelites to protect themselves from.
3. They believed that Christians should not serve as a leader over non-Christians if there was a non-Christian leader in charge of them. So much for Joseph the Pharoah of Egypt, Nehemiah the cup-bearer to king Artaxerxes Longimanus, and Daniel–third in command of Babylon.
So, some of the Anabaptists at least were, no big suprise, divisive heretics.
“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject, Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” – Titus 3:10-11
Did you understand those verses everyone? Sorry, can’t help you, modern English is a sin to use. Nevermind, it means:
“Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.” – Titus 3:10-11
Mr. Beller and his heretic friends are repelled by modern English verses like mosquitos are repelled by D.D.T. He and his friends have a dungeons and dragons mentality; it helps them feel special and important. It’s a pathetic replacement for actually being loved by God.
Modern English Bibles aren’t even good for being explanations to this KJVOnly heretics, “no” they say, “you must only use the perfect King James version, which is perfect, because, because it’s been around for a long time.” So has sin Mr. Beller.
“Thou shalt not learn languages older than English, especially the ones in which the Bible was originally written, lest you spot errors in translation in the KJV.” – Because the KJV-Onlyists Pharisees Said So 1221:232, imaginary KJV commandment number 11.
I wonder Mr. Beller didn’t quote the great Baptist historian John Tyler Christian in his rant against the Calvinists?
Who is John Tyler Christian? He was born on December 14, 1854, near Lexington, Kentucky. He professed faith in Christ and joined Campbellsburg Baptist Church when he was sixteen. He is said to have received the foundations of his highly respected theology under the preaching of Elder J. H. Spencer. Later he was educated at Bethel College in Russellville Kentucky. There, he was strongly influenced by Dr. W. W. Gardner. On June, 1876, he graduated Bethel College with a Bachelor’s Degree. In 1880 he earned his Master of Arts degree from Bethel, and in 1888 the college conferred on him the honorary title of Doctor of Divinity. In 1898, Keachie College of Louisiana honored him with the title LL.D. He was well known for his skills both as a debater and as a prolific and gifted author. He then became pastor in Tupelo, Mississipi beginning in 1877, and served that church for two years. He then became pastor of the Sardis Church in that same state. In March, 1883, he served the First Baptist Church of Chattanooga, Tennessee. After pastoring there for three years, he next became Secretary of Missions for Mississippi Baptists. On June 1, 1893 he became pastor of the historic East Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky. After that he pastored churches in Arkansas. In 1919 he became Professor of Church History at the Baptist Bible Institute, New Orleans, Louisiana which was later renamed the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. He played a major role in the controversies surrounding the restorationist views of Baptist history taught by William Heath Whitsitt in the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary of Louisville, Kentucky. He wrote extensive rebuttals to Whitsitt’s works and eventually published a history of the Baptists written from a secessionist’s perspective. The John T. Christian Library of the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary is named in his honor. According to this Seminary, “The basic collection came from the library of the outstanding church historian, John T. Christian, who was the first librarian of the seminary. He gave the school his personal library of 18,000 volumes when he joined the faculty in 1919.” His personal papers are housed in the Archives at the John T. Christian Library, on campus at the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.
Mr. Tyler wrote a book called “A History of the Baptists“. You probably won’t hear or see Mr. Beller mention it unless someone strongly compells him to, that’s because, Mr. Tyler was much more honest and did not take Mr. Crosby out of context. Mr. Tyler also and spoke well of the Particular Baptists (the Calvinist Baptists) and noted that they had a good influence on the Baptist church overall.
I noticed Mr. Beller the Sophist also has some things to say about predestination (big surprise), but clearly from his vain ranting on the history of the Baptists he is no teacher to be carefully heard, but rather to be ignored.
If you would like to learn what Bible really says about predestination read it without the spinning and annoying smoke screen tactics. Here’s a start: hotlinkfiles.com/browse/prophecies/94138
Some final words from God:
“Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof, they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.” – 1Timothy 1:2-11, KJV
“To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions. Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.” – 1 Timothy 1:2-11, ESV
“Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” – Jude 1:11-13, KJV
“Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.” – Jude 1:11-13, ESV
“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him] …. For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” – 2 Corinthians 11:4, 11:13-15, KJV
“For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. … For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.” – 2 Corinthians 11:4, 11:13-15, ESV
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever, a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” – Galatians 6:7, KJV