After writing a grammatical exposition of the controversial passage in Matthew which Catholics claim shows Peter is their Pope, Claudius the Catholic said,
“Now that I have all that grammar out of the way we need to all sit and think about what this all means.”
Sure, now let’s look at your second statement after that one:
“We have the prophecy from Daniel that the Catholic Church fulfills”
So then rather than sticking with that passage you jump thousands of years back to Daniel, well if you can do that I can also refer to other Scriptures on whether or not the Catholic Church is the true Church or not. I’m guessing you’re talking about Daniel 2, being that this is the only speech I could find on the net from a Catholic claiming that D2 supported Catholicism,
“It refutes the Protestant and Mormon notion of a “Great Apostasy.” Believers in a Great Apostasy believe that at some point, either Catholicism replaced the True Church, or overran it. Yet Daniel 2′s prophesy says that during the days of the Roman Empire, Christ will set up a Kingdom, and it’ll never “be left to another people.” There’s no room for a New Church or New Kingdom in a post-Roman age (in either sense of “Roman,” there). No need to hypothesize about who the first pope was, or when the Church was formed. Daniel 2 lays the foundation you need, and the New Testament clears up the gray areas.”
The problem with this part of the Catholic’s rant are obvious:
1) The Bible says there will be an apostasy in the New Testament, more than once. So this Catholic like so many others just doesn’t know, forgets or deliberately avoids certain Scripture.
2) He’s forgetting yet another Scripture in which Jesus said that his kingdom should not be awaited, but that it was already here. OBVIOUSLY, there was no Catholic Church at that time, and if Peter was the first pope, he sure wasn’t at that time. So out goes that massive stretch.
3) The Roman Catholic church is not a kingdom. And Revelation does say the Catholic church whores about with them (“seven mountains”, don’t forget).
4) That line about the church not being left to another people as evidence is utterly stupid and infantile and nonsensical: A protestant could easily make that claim as evidence, what does it prove? “Hi, Bible says my church won’t be left to another people, so you Catholics aren’t the true church.” WOW EXCELLENT PROOF! NOT. Really how stupid can you get Catholics? Why not say, “Bible says Jesus is the Christ, that’s means our Christ, so you’re not the real Christians.” Wow, awesome, proved sooo much. Might as well say, “Nanny nanny boo boo we are true not you.”
Yet, if I and other Christians don’t read Catholic arguments like that, we face replies like, “Nanny nanny boo boo I can’t hear you.” (referring to us). But no: we don’t have to endlessly read Catholic claims and defenses, once you read their some of their common replies and claims as to why they are the true Church, whether it has an official stamp of of approval from their Pope or not, and review their TRUE history, whether it has the official seal of approval from their Pope or not, and see the flaws in them, whether their Pope acknowledges them or not, that is enough ignore the Nanny Boo Booers who just want to torment you more for not following them.
What makes the other people claim so ultra stupid, is that it makes no point and the Catholic using it is implying that it’s true just because he says it is (based on his claim that Kingdom = Catholic Church). How is that better than the Mormon babble that he claims is false? Better than their “oh Jesus said he has ‘other sheep’ and ‘other sheep’ is the Indians, bcuz the Book of Mormon said so. Just trust your good heart we’re right, and pray too so you can trust more, and if you don’t trust, well then you must be wrong, because we can see the truth no matter what you say, and truth is our hearts tell us we’re right, and the Book of Mormon too.” Vain, stretched, contrived, absurd, circles.
Moving on, what about Revelation? Why do Catholics keep avoiding that Book? The Catholic Church is CLEARLY being referred to in Revelation, CLEARLY fulfills the prophecy of the whore that rides the beast and the reference to the seven mountains makes it almost plain. No other entity fits that prophecy, despite the repeated fallacy made by Catholics when they refer to Protestants as a single entity, even though they contract themselves by trumping up the divisions between them! You can’t have it both ways Arbitrary Church.
Concerning the grammar? As usual, we only need to refer to other passages of Scripture. Over and over God and Jesus are called the Rock of eternity, and Jesus the foundation. ALL the apostles are referred to as the foundation, not just Peter, and obviously God does not mean bedrock it’s on or whatever is holding the foundation together (obviously that would be God, not Peter or the apostles). And anyone who has studied Protestant arguments on this matter, if they aren’t a newbie, knows the argument that Peter does not nearly contribute as much as Paul did, and it would make more sense to call Paul the foundation of the church. Peter supplemented Paul, not the other way around. So then it’s not unreasonable just based on that fact that Jesus wasn’t calling Peter a cornerstone or secondary foundation and the apostles playing inferior roles. Another Protestant argument is that Jesus pointed to himself, which some Catholics think absurd or unrealistic. BUT IT ISN’T, because Jesus gave a riddle to the Pharisees in which it clearly states he was referring to himself, rather than what they thought he, to them, appeared to LITERALLY mean, and so Catholics are being arbitrary with how they are literally interpreting the “and on this rock” passage. Further, NOTHING in that verse says anything about Peter being a Pope, or that the Catholic Church is the true Church. Any idiot can proclaim, “Peter was our pope, here’s proof: other members of the Catholic Church agree” or “Oh these Christians said so” and NOT bring up the CHARACTER of those people they use as witnesses, something clearly not Biblical to do. You don’t just trust anyone, that is ARBITRARY, it’s “picking and choosing”. It’s evil. And Catholics hate to hear this:
“By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”
Do I even need to start pointing out the severe corruption in your Church? Do I need to point out the hypocrisy of your church in venerating Mother Teresa, or electing one corrupt Pope after another? The abortion rates? The rapes? And that other evil you all know is a problem?
But the arbitrary Catholic defense to that is, “Everybody sins dupe de dupe.” Oh yes, you’re right, “no biggie”, “everyone does it,” “But Dad, Johnny Calvin also put his hands in the cookie jars, so look at him not us, and just keep letting us sin.” And you sure can’t speak of Protestants as a single entity, because as you yourselves say of us, “Oh you Protestants are evil terrible horrible, ur the evil doers!” Because as you yourselves say, “They are divided into so many Churches! They can’t all have the Holy Spirit!” Yes, you’re right, they can’t all, and you are included among the division, or did you forget the Protestants DIVIDED from you? Once again: Arbitrary Arguing. And so, answer your own question, judge for yourselves, if not all can have the Holy Spirit, then who does? Maybe instead of repeatedly looking in the mirror and make vain repetitions to convince yourselves that it’s you who have it, like narcissists, maybe examine the deeds of other churches, maybe consider the true Church doesn’t go by a single name, like a business corporation, some magic name that makes you saved, some magical club name, but that they can be KNOWN BY THEIR FRUITS, their deeds, not “A NAME.”
I’ve read Robert Sungenis’ argument on the “Petra/Petros” argument too, and found his argument nonsensical and contradictory. James White does too: http://vintage.aomin.org/Epitetaute.html
And one last thing, the Bible forbids logomachy (arguing over words), which is what you Catholics are doing when you strive over petra and petros, and put into question the trustworthiness of Scripture like Muslims and Mormons do, when you pretend there is another translation that justifies you. “Trust me,” said Joseph Smith, “Put you’re trust in me when I tell you that God chose me and that I speak his will and that these golden plates I translated and am hiding under this cloth really are under this cloth. And look at me, am I not beautiful, loving, and well spoken? And therefore I tell you the Bible has been corrupted and would support me if we had the originals and if those prophets weren’t so sinful and rebellious, unlike me. Trust my revision and divine interpretations of it, or else, you can’t be apart of the true church and you are going to Hell and you will never have the Spirit. Keep my covenants.” “Trust us,” said the Muslims, “Trust that Christianity is wrong because you’re Bible has been altered. It doesn’t preserve God’s word accurately, our Quran is superior, it’s better than the original. The original Bible would have supported what we say if there was a perfect copy. Those Jewish prophets couldn’t be trusted with the pen the Bible says. The real prophets were Muslims, Abraham wasn’t even Jewish.” And like them, you beg the world to believe in your invisible contradictory evidence too. You too are a cult, whose religion centers around mere men, and like Mormons, gods, gods you pretend to merely venerate. Like the Pharisees, the leaders of the Catholics withhold the knowledge of the keys to the kingdom of Heaven and give them false keys instead, your tradition, tradition that negates the word of God.
I’m chosen by grace, not by works, and the faith I have that saved me wasn’t of me, but of God. And remember: God’s will be done, on Earth, AS IT ALWAYS IS, in Heaven.
“Message: Thank you for your email and the opportunity to help you with your errors. I have a M.Div. from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and a PhD from Duke Divinity.”
Yet you fail in common sense and righteousness and here’s your failing grade (I’m referring to this reply/this journal post):
Ian Punnet has a Masters of Divinity degree from Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta and has been ordained a Deacon in the Episcopal Church. Since 1998, Punnett has intermittently hosted Coast to Coast AM and is loved by the world (and guess which group makes up the majority of the world Mr. Catholic?) and yet Ian Punnet is a heretic of the severe kind by the main sect of Catholicism and it’s many heretic daughters (the traditional Catholic branches and heretical “protestant” sects). But because Ian Punnet has a high and might education in Christianity and religion and listens to heretics babble all day for years while interviewing them, does that mean he isn’t a blind hypocrite and abomination in God’s eyes? Absolutely not according to Scripture: “You hate all who do wrong.” That’s is a severely oppositional verse to the Catholic and it’s Daughter the Episcopalian’s false potential convert pick-up line, “God loves you (join our Church now because we said everything is okay, and then we’ll ask you for some charity so we can repeat this line to others and get you to admit you’re a sinner like us so we can feel better about ourselves and more so by getting as many people to go to Hell with us as possible if that’s where we’re going.”
“I wrote my doctoral thesis comparing John Calvin’s “Institutes” with the writing of St. Augustine named “Confessions”. You might do some study as well.”
I already corrected you, and you ignore that correction and then pretend I didn’t study what I just corrected you on while citing evidence, which makes you a conniving hypocrite. Stop making backhanded insults you stubborn, malicious, idiot. And how man false doctoral theses are there in there world that have passed by the world’s standards with flying colors? And are you saying that those Baptists approved a heretical rant? If so, then they must have been pro-Catholics (rather than “Calvinist” Baptists as you imply). Or, are you saying you wrote something you believed to be false in your spiritual confusion? You’re trapped.
“Jesus said that His Church will never fall into apostasy and the Bible clearly states that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” [and the Catholic church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” Jesus said that His Church will never fall into apostasy and the Bible clearly states that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” [and the Catholic church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” x infinity.”
In your schooling ignoramus, did they teach you logical fallacies? You’re obviously a cultist moron stuck in a circular reasoning loop. I suggest you study logical fallacies from your next of kin the atheists (who list them all over the net). Also, circular reasoning is something a spiritually unblind person can spot, hint hint.
“I would be very careful in calling the Word of God and Jesus liars if I was you.”“You seem to think of yourself as God”
A straw man of the malicious passive aggressive type. Stop hiding the raptists and child-molesters. And instead of telling me to be very careful about mishandling God’s word, why not obey your own advice hypocrite? Hint: don’t make insults that can simply be repeated back to you: that’s a pretty big hint that mere insults are not evidence of anything. Are you really unaware of something so basic late in your life?
Which is why I back up what I say with evidence and you merely accuse like Satan does :)
And who cares what “seems” to be real to a delusional babbler? Give evidence babbler, not your vague special Catholic who rejected the truth feelings.
Hypocrite much Mr. Accept the Pope Or Ur Going to Hell? So what were you saying about some man thinking he was God lol? Polytheist moron.
“and to be deeply delusional”
You’re mere rants and claims awesome evidence no matter how “deeply” you feel about it. Once again babbler: you’re feelings are not evidence of anything, nor hatred, nor insults. And moron, you’re not God Mr. Whatever I Feel and Say Is True, and moron, God isn’t merely right simply because he makes a claim, you don’t even understand truth right (of course a false Christian wouldn’t).
“if you really think you can know another’s heart.” … Which is why you made false claims about me and are calling the Bible a lie when it says that you can JUDGE A PERSON BY THEIR ACTIONS AND APPEARANCE you moron. Read and believe the Bible you ignore, twist and hate:
“Proverbs 13:5: The righteous hate what is false”, and of course you’re not righteous so you wouldn’t remember something like that. So then moron, is a person claiming to “know a person’s heart” when they say the righteous hate lies? NO MORON: SO YOU’VE LIED AND COMMITTED ANOTHER FALLACY, A MALICIOUS TYPE SINCE YOU’RE GOING AGAINST WHAT IS COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD, THAT YOU’RE NOT CLAIMING TO “KNOW A PERSON’S HEART” MERELY BY CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE BEING HATEFUL LIKE YOU DID TO ME, YOU BLIND HYPOCRITE. You’re also saying then that you don’t understand BASIC SCRIPTURE. You’re teachers must have not been paying attention when they passed you (something common these days in this corrupt world Mr. But I Studied Calvin and Augustine, therefore I Must Know What I’m Talking About And You Mustn’t!” Sure Mr. Pharisee. I think not.
“You seem to be completely consumed by irrational hatred and bigotry.” … if you really think you can know another’s heart.” Blind hypocrite apart of the Whore that Rides the Beast says what? Contradicting yourself in one breath (typical of blind, arrogant, hypocrites).
“When this is in league with intentional ignorance”
Wow: moron: LEARN WHAT EVIDENCE IS, IT’S NOT “MY INSULTS” IT’S NOT “MY EMOTIONS” IT’S NOT “MY MERE CLAIMS”. I suggest you do some studying reality-hater (and God-hater).
“it is a recipe for the death of one’s soul to Christ.”
And pretentious insults really make you “righter” right child-molester-hider? Wrong.
“Are you aware of the Decalogue that forbids the bearing of false witness against others”
Are you aware of the Catholic Bible’s that remove the law to not make idols and that “Don’t lie” is in the Bible Mr. Christoper Columbus Church of Basic Right and Wrongs Those Protestants Don’t Know Cuz We’re The True Church? Are you aware that the Jesus rebuked the most popular religious leaders of his time for negating GOD’S WORD WITH “TRADITION”? Are you aware that the Bible says “Isaiah 29:13: The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.“? So merely READING AND REPEATING SCRIPTURE DOESN’T MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS. BIG, MASSIVE, CHRISTIANITY AND COMMON SENSE 101. And are you also aware that Jesus said,
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:15-16)? Yet the Catholic DisUnified Church negates his words with it’s malicious “everyone sins :)” line. Stop being a broken record, cultist parrot and a vain, malicious, liar.
“and that doing so is a mortal sin?”
And whatever they delusional false Christians claim is true is true because they said so. Not.
Are you a narcissist Mr. Obviously?: http://narcissism.tk You should really study the signs of narcissism disorder Mr. Obviously Whatever I Say Is True Merely Because I Said It Is and Found Others Who Agree With Me (While I Can’t Cite Any of God’s Word That Backs Me Up On That).
“you either do not or have no fear of God”
And on and on the Catholic goes citing no Scripture and ranting his insults as if that makes him right (typical behavior of a cultist and prideful sore loser).
“that prevents you from this mortal sin.”
You love saying “mortal sin” don’t you? How about understanding and preaching the truth rather than phrases you find to be catchy?
“You seem to be consumed in an effort to do and spread evil.”
Say what about knowing my heart? Insults in ignorance x infinity (typical cultist).
“May our Lord have mercy on you. God bless!”
With their mouths they bless and hearts they curse.
Because you said so.
Neat, you’re a “Friar”. Were you one of the ones that helped Robin Hood to rob “the rich”, or do you spend your time robbing the poor? Or is it both?
More of the Endless Evidence for Catholic Polytheism (Evidence from CatholicNews.com)
These are my answers to the rant titled, “Challenge to Protestants: Is the Book of Esther in the Canon of Scripture?” by a narcissist heretic Catholic named Taylor Marshall:
“The Catholic Christian has the comfort of knowing that the Holy Spirit can lead the Church to make infallible statements.”
And whatever you, financial supporter of the abuse of children, including children who trust in Christ – you, a member of a disunified, arbitrary denomination whose pope’s are too cowardly and dishonest to declare the Shroud of Turin as genuine due to their acceptance of demonic plagued stigmatics who receive “wounds of Christ” on the wrong place (on their hands, not their wrists, where the Shroud of Turin shows they should be which anatomical scientists agree with), member of a denomination that was deceived in ancient times by a stigmatic woman who admitted to being attacked by demon rather than showing the signs of God), member of a demon which calls a “saint” a atheistic, donation-misusing, explosive-tempered, sadistic, idolatrous approver-of-false-religions, demon-harassed nun (Mother Theresa), member of a denomination that killed approximately 50 million people for not converting to Catholicism including some other Catholics falsely accused of being witches (which they killed out of pride and/or coveting that Catholic’s property), member of an idolatrous church which approves of the removal of the command not to bow down to idols (when God said that no one is to remove any part of Scripture from his word), member of denomination that says they can be possessed by demons at any time, member of a denomination that does not accept the fact that Jesus suffered and died completely for all the sins of the ones he chose to save, that no one else can suffer or die for another person’s sins or complete payment for their own, and not just some, and member of a denomination that rejects the clear fact that God’s forgiveness, mercy, love, compassion, is priceless, rather than being able to be sold and bought as the Catholic church officially permits – whatever a Catholic of this type of church says is true, is true, because it’s God. WRONG. You are not God.
“How do you know that the Book of Esther is the inspired Word of God and belongs in the canon of Scripture? This is a question I often ask Protestants.”
And whatever you say is trustworthy is trustworthy because you said so. Wrong. And who are the protestants you asked liar? You sure didn’t ask me when I challenged you to stop supporting child abuse, and to explain why you persecuted Calvin for quoting Scripture when it said that Jesus suffered Hellfire – you saying that that was the worst heresy, when Scripture makes it clear that to claim that God’s Spirit is a demon is the worst sin and that tempting a kid who is saved is clearly the second worst or among the worst. It says a lot that Catholics keep ignoring the abuse of children.
“The Protestant literally has no way to prove that the book of Esther is inspired by God and belongs in the Bible.”
Wow Taylor: You mean God can’t tell them? So God only talks to Catholics? What an arrogant oversight that was huh? Why do you miss the obvious? So people can only figure out things unless God gives them the direct answer?
By the way stereotyper, for the 6 billionth time: Protestants aren’t a Church, stop talking about us like we’re all the same. That is why you are lost and unlearned: You, if you really did ask some Protestants anything, didn’t bother asking all the main types, or anyone older than 7 years old, rather you acted like they were all the same, and avoided any real challenge to your baseless heresies.
Where’s your basic imagination ability? Suppressed by Satan obviously (just as you Catholics claim can be done). Here: I’ll help you out again:
“Little 6-year-old Jimmy’s dad, Taylor, sat in his chair in distress, he said to his son, ‘Jimmy, I’m so stressed out: despite having a mind and brain with countless neurons, I can’t figure out what the true religion is. I can’t even figure out why the book of Esther would be God’s word or not, if it is or not. I know: I’ll just believe the pope whenever he uses the magic mantra: “God said so while he was sitting on his throne.” Which in the sacred holy language of holy people is ‘ex Cathedra’. Jimmy then said to his dad, ‘Well if God put it in his word isn’t it his word?’ Taylor got a look of confusion on his face, hating his son for saying what sounded stupid to him. ‘Idiot what are you talking about? What are you some dumb Protestant? One of those fundies?’ Though Jimmy didn’t understand what his dad said, he felt hurt at his dad’s tone. Then his dad said, ‘It doesn’t say it’s God’s word you moron! Now how are you, an unspecial little idiot going to say you know!’ Jimmy replied, ‘But why would God need to say he’s the one that said it all the time? Can’t you tell if he’s talking to you or not.’ Taylor’s pride was hurt and he became very offended and immediately pushed his son on the forehead. Jimmy felt very sad that his dad was being violent and that no one was around to see it. Taylor then said, ‘It doesn’t say it’s his word you little idiot. Want me to take you to that child-molesting priest?’ His son replied with a distressed pleading tone: ‘But dad it’s in his word.’ ‘How do you know what is his word you little bastard!’ His dad replied with a red face and hateful frown.’ ‘Because his Spirit is in me,’ his son replied. Taylor immediately replied, ‘Blasphemer! You don’t accept the pope! You can’t accept God’s word if you don’t trust in the pope as your savior! You are no son of mine to talk to me like this! How about we go to that child-molesting priest now! Huh! How would you like that you little fundie! I’m the one with God’s Spirit in me because I trust pope!’ Suddenly a demon entered his dad and it ran away from Jimmy and out a window, and his dad fell to the ground and died.
Was that so hard to imagine Taylor? Now little Jimmy isn’t right, as anyone can stick a book into God’s word, but are you right in your logic?
“It is never quoted in the New Testament.”
Why would it need to be quoted in the New Testament? Did God say, “Unless I quote a book from the Old Testament then it’s not valid.”? No moron, he did not. And your logic also implies that God would need to requote every single verse in the New Testament. Talk about “blind” and “without God’s Spirit” and “they have no common sense”.
Neither does Genesis say, “The next book after this one is going to be called Exodus, and that’s how you’ll know it’s my word, and this is what it will say: [...], and it’s going to be God’s word cuz I said so.” NOR DOES IT HAVE TO, BECAUSE MERE CLAIMS AREN’T HOW YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT GOD’S WORD IS. If you believe mere claims make you or anyone else right (but conveniently not those Protestants), you are biased and insane and think you are equal to God in authority despite what you MERELY CLAIM with your mouth. You suffer from narcissism, from extreme pride.
“It never mentions the word “God” in its pages.”
So if it mentions, “God” in some sentence, then that would verify the whole book of Esther huh? You’re an illogical idiot.
Neither does God need to say before every single sentence: “I, God says:”. No; You’re a moron. And that also shows your bad logic: So if something says, “God says,” then it’s his word? Are you massively illogical and gullible? YES. YOU DON’T FIGURE OUT WHAT GOD’S WORD IS BY WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON WHO MAKES THE STATEMENT MERELY CLAIM THAT IT WAS GOD’S WORD OR THAT GOD WAS SPEAKING THROUGH HIM. How can you not know the utter obvious? It is because you are UTTERLY SPIRITUALLY BLIND.
“We don’t know who wrote it.”
You don’t speak for 60 million Calvinists let alone 120 million Protestants you royal “We” narcissist. You aren’t my spokesperson, you aren’t my king. Stop speaking for me and misrepresenting me stupid.
“Even the first century Jews could not agree on its place as Scripture.”
And only what the Jews agree on is Scripture is Scripture. NO: CONSENSUS DOES NOT DETERMINTE THE TRUTH! YOU ARE AN EVIL MORON. MAJORITY DOESN’T MAKE RIGHT LET ALONE A MAJORITY OF JEWS.
AND WHEN DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FIRST EXIST? ACCORDING TO YOU CATHOLICS IT WAS AT ABOUT THE TIME JESUS DIED. SO THEN, RACIST, USING THAT INSANE LOGIC, THE APOSTLES WERE NOT SAVED, DID NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND GOD’S WORD, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CATHOLIC TO TELL ANYONE, “THIS IS GOD’S WORD.” USING YOUR LOGIC EVERYONE BEFORE CHRIST WENT TO HELL BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T TELL WHAT GOD’S WORD WAS. Catholics didn’t exist before Jesus was born Taylor, how then did any Jews or anyone at all know what God’s word truly was if only Catholics can know and understand how to be saved? Catholic tradition didn’t exist either, let alone “ex Cathedra”. So you would have the world believe that hundreds of thousands of Jews, even Moses and John the Baptist, perhaps over a million people that God saved, went to Hell because they didn’t have a pope in Rome with the magic “ex cathedra” line? Obviously God’s Spirit was given to those who were not Catholics and Catholicism then is not the one true religion as you claim it is. You current pope and the previous pope don’t believe that Catholicism is the only way to eternal life. What’s that say about your denomination’s unity when your own heads oppose millions of you on the heart of Christianity: Who the true God is and how to be saved? You’re right thoug: there is only one true religion, but TO THOSE WHO AREN’T SPIRITUALLY BLIND, you are clearly opposed to it.
“I sometimes also ask [and whatever you claim is true is true cuz u said so], ‘How do you know that the Book of Third John is the inspired Word of God and belongs in the Bible?”
Taylor, why are you repeating yourself? Why wasn’t Esther a good enough example? Is there something more special about the New than Old Testament? Did the Pope tell you to imply that the Old Testament, the Law and Prophets on which the New Testament is based, is inferior? No: why then are you speaking like a Pope having just said the magic “ex coooohtheeeedraaaaaah” spell?
“It doesn’t claim to be written by an apostolic author and its authority was doubted by many early Christians.”
Redundant genius: repeating yourself doesn’t make you right either, okay “vain repition” Catholic?: See above.
“The Catholic Christian has the comfort of knowing that the Holy Spirit can lead the Church to make infallible statements.”
So now you speak for all Catholics Mr. “Whatever I Say is True is True Because I Said, ‘I Haaaaaaaaaave the Spiriiiiiiiiiiiiit!’”, Mr. He-man Catholic? No: Whatever you say is not true merely because you feel you are, say you are, or say it with your magic, “Well I have the Spirit” spell.
And so all Catholics know and understand God’s word well, including the the millions of nominal (divided by their ignorance by you Pharisee Catholics) which are accepted into your false church as being Pharisees just like you? Amazing that despite the obvious disunity in your church you even speak for them as if you were all one. Truly: you are all one, and divided.
“Thus, the Bible is an infallible collection of infallible books.”
Bananas = oranges because many Catholics, not just priests abuse and molest other Catholic children, and that deserves having a millstone placed around their neck and them being thrown into the sea afterwards. How about not making illogical claims like that? Narcissist babbler who could care less about Truth, does this make any sense:
“The Catholic Christian has the comfort of knowing that the Holy Spirit can lead the Church to make infallible statements = Thus, the Bible is an infallible collection of infallible books.”
NO: FEELING COMFORT IN A BELIEF DOESN’T MAKE ANOTHER BELIEF TRUE. YOUR MERE FEELINGS DO NOT MAKE YOU RIGHT TAYLOR. And what happened to the Spirit? First it’s God’s Spirit justifies you because you said so, then it’s “comfort in believing you have the Spirit” justifies the magic Catholics. Which is it: your sacred, infallible feelings or God’s Spirit? You can’t serve two masters Catholics: You will love one and hate the other.”
“However, the Protestant must follow the line that R.C. Sproul often gives: The Bible is a fallible collection of infallible books.”
Uh, no, we must not follow R.C. Sproul; we must follow God as God alone, not whatever you merely claim is true, you hypocritical accuser. So do as you say but not as you do huh: “It’s okay for Catholics to follow their own mere claims, but not okay for those all-the-same Protestants to follow whatever R.C. Sproul says”? Typical Catholic: You endlessly contradict yourselves because you fail to see acknowledge that you are inferior to God and not like him in goodness.
“The Protestant can never give a reason for why he believes that Esther or 3 John belong in the canon of Scripture.”
You are God-hating, prideful, lost, blind, hypocrite and liar, and I will not read the rest of your bitter, time-wasting, slanderous, hypocritical, lies IN WHICH YOU PREVENT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS AFTER “105″ NO DOUBT MADE BY MANY CATHOLICS, AND FEW PROTESTANTS, AS IF A FEW PROTESTANTS REPRESENTS 60+ MILLION CALVINISTS. ON TOP OF THAT YOU DON’T EVEN ALLOW THOSE REPLIES TO BE SEEN!:
With an injured right shoulder socket and muscles, and slow netbook, it took me about 40 minutes to write the bulk of this reply. And can you show your Catholic friends and us “Protestants” your Pope-approved, ex cathedra, Sacred-Tradition-reply Taylor, and not your defective, error-prone word? Clearly it would be just as bad as you all do the same thing: hold your feelings and word above God’s word and his traditions. I’ll praise you for this, “however”: at least your rant wasn’t filled with pretentious words. Your attitude, “however”, is a “different matter”.
So much for you being an honest and fair person.
A crucial key to understanding the how the fight in Esther started: The Nations of the Bible: Amalekites
The historical accuracy of Esther: http://www.tektonics.org/af/esther.html
An excavation of Esther: http://www.textexcavation.com/esther.html
A Mystery in the Megillah: http://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/4_6/megillah
The uniqueness of Esther: http://www.estherofthebible.com
A view of Esther which gives evidence as to why it is not God’s word:
Whether it is God’s word or not, this is for sure: It’s not his word for any of the illogical reasons you gave.
WISDOM IS KNOWN BY HER CHILDREN