A ”Calvinist” Message to Arminians׃ ”Eternal” means ”ETERNAL”
I’ve noticed that many people want to learn about Chuck Missler’s belief about salvation, which George Noory prevented when he had him on as a guest, talking over him when Chuck started to preach the gospel (Chuck’s version). I don’t remember what my last article said, if I pointed out that Chuck was an Arminian, but I probably did since his website makes it clear he is one by one or two of the books he sells. An Arminian basically is someone who believes that they have a will that can’t be influenced by God, and that by their will than can magically choose apart from any influence at all, whether or not to accept God’s salvation from Hell / forgiveness of their sins / or not and can lose that salvation by the same will, by simply thinking to themselves they don’t want it anymore, so it seems to me. There’s no evidence for there belief, but that’s what they believe. A Calvinist however believes that salvation is is eternal, because God simply says it is. God says, “eternal life”, and that you get it after you’re forgiven, not, “after you die.” And why would it come after you die?! Why not now? Arminians forget or they don’t know that to be born again is to get an eternal spirit, not simply the Holy Spirit, but your own (hence why the Bible says before forgiveness a person is dead inside, like it repeated in Psalms twice “their throat is an open sepulcher” (which is a grave) and why Jesus called the Pharisees white washed tombs that no one knew they were walking over (meaning people didn’t recognize that those evil religious hypocrite teachers had no spirit, and were in that way, dead inside, they didn’t have eternal life, didn’t have a pure spirit that couldn’t sin and always loved God, rather, had a soul and heart that only hated God, and were headed for Hell forever). If Jesus meant they were literally dead inside, then Jesus would be talking to dead people who couldn’t hear him say that to them, so obviously, he meant spiritually dead inside, and figuratively meant it. If they really did have a spirit, it would be pure and unable to sin as Paul taught in 2 Timothy 1:7 and Romans 8:15.
While looking again to see what Chuck believes, came across a post in a forum that linked to a YouTube video of a seemingly sincere person who, unfortunately, though exposing Chuck as a smug liar, instead, used it as an opportunity to smear all Calvinists as being just like Missler. I said to him:
You seem sincere in your “conscience seared” video, so, unlike what is usual, I’m not immediately angry with you, in other words, you seem genuinely deceived to me, rather than just being a malicious troll, although you’re not allowing comments at all, that makes me wonder. But here’s where you go wrong:
Missler, on his own site, with his own books, makes it clear he’s an ARMINIAN. You do know what that is right? So, out the door goes your claim that he REALLY believes in eternal security. That’s a dead argument, that makes your video flat out wrong.
Second, do you know what a psychopath is? Psychopaths have no conscience, and can’t be believed, even when they tell you what they sincerely believe, that’s because THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE. Paul in the Bible implied you can know if a person is saved, at least as in have faith based on evidence, the same is with a psychopath, though you can’t see their heart of mind, you can pick up certain things that indicate enough that you can be sure (just as you can be “sure [of] your salvation” as the Bible puts it, or know like you claim to be able to know, that a person’s conscience is seared. Someone like Chuck, is not a conscience-seared person, you can tell, because he’s not simply a cold hearted liar, but he thinks it funny to lie about things which involve the heart of the Bible, the heart of our lives, third, he repeatedly contradicts himself: he didn’t just contradict himself in what you picked up and showed, but flips again on his own site. But, he promote Arminianism, NOT eternal security on a regular basis. So you’ve actually got it backwards. Is that a good sign that a psychopath promotes “uneternal security”? That defeats what you’re implying, which is that it’s the people with seared consciences that promote eternal security, it makes it the opposite.
Next: you clearly don’t know Calvinists, clearly, otherwise you wouldn’t be slandering or libeling them, and that you block comments is a bad sign, obviously you don’t like people pointing out to you verses that show eternal life is, guess what: eternal. Next, if salvation can be lost, it would also mean you could gain it back and also get out of Hell too, since not even Hell is forever. It would also mean God isn’t even eternal. It would also make God the author of confusion since you couldn’t tell if he really meant eternal or not. It would also make Jesus’ death futile, and him stupid, for suffering and dying for people that he knew would be lost anyways. It would also mean God ISN’T in ultimate control, that our will can defeat his, which is nearly blasphemy. It also contradicts that the Bible says DESTINY, as in God predestines. It would also contradict, and this is blasphemy, God saying he eternal loves his children, however, if he’s sending them to Hell forever, where there is an eternally unbridgeable gap as Jesus taught in the parable of the rich and poor man, then they would be eternally separated from his love since Hell is a place of eternal wrath. Even if you argued God doesn’t hate the worms he put in people down there since they don’t sin, and even work for him, fine, but is that how a father who loves his children treats them?: eternal wrath (intense anger) and an eternity of what God says is not life? Further, God DOES NOT say all are his children, how did you forget “You are of your father the devil”? So clearly, unlike what Arminians like you teach: God not only does not love everyone, but CLEARLY hates. “You hate all who do wrong.” Further, the Bible says those who are born again have an eternally pure spirit, how then could then end up sinning in such a way as to end up in Hell forever!? On top of that, the gospel is not, “Jesus suffered and died for sinners in vain which you can lose by merely making a wish and failing to love God or losing faith for a moment, but then get it back by loving him again and regaining faith” no, that is blasphemy you teach, and makes God fickle and a slave of our will, of imperfect fickle man, it’s, “Jesus died FULLY for sinners”. He covered all sins for a person WHO CAN BE SAVED whom HE INTENDED TO SAVE, not “Just died for everyone, the end.” And God is not obligated to love and die for everyone, as you know, because no one deserves it, or do you think you don’t deserve punishment? So don’t say, “But God has to save me.” No, he never promised that, in fact he made it clear he only intended to save a limited amount in his covenant with Abraham: you and your seed, not “seeds” as Paul points out, and not “the other seeds.” Hagar was cast out, not “she was covered too but God threw her out because he doesn’t like slaves” or whatever you make up.
Eternal means ETERNAL, not “TEMPORARY”. Salvation isn’t temporary, it’s SALVATION. God’s love isn’t temporary, IT’S UNDEFEATABLE. How can man’s hate withstand God’s love? It has to give in. So if you find yourself “losing” your salvation every other day, and finding you need to be baptized all over again, what’s that say about you? It says you are still in your sins, that you still need to be washed, since the sins still have not come off, not even with a hundred baptisms. Water doesn’t save, God’s word does, the true gospel, not yours that makes people twice a child of Hell, that temporary salvation band-aid you offer as “eternal love and salvation.” It’s you who are contradicting yourself.
http://eternian.wordpress.com/life That’s the gospel.
[end of my letter]
I also say this also to him and all Arminians: How did you forget that God says he hates divorce? Once he’s spiritually married himself to us as he does when he saves us? He even says he’s sealed his Spirit in us too, and that only our feet need to be washed since we’ve been cleaned, meaning our walk with Christ improved and made straight, in other words our sins have already been washed away, we’re eternally secured, but we still have a temporarily corrupt body that sins and doesn’t walk straight/obey Christ all the time, and needs to be tempered while it lives, otherwise, as Scripture says, we’re bastards, because God isn’t punishing us, and “bastards” do exist as Scripture teaches in various ways, as I pointed out with Abraham and Hagar earlier in this letter. Lest you bring up that God divorced Israel, no: Paul said “All Israel is not Israel” again: bastards, they were not all God’s children, and God wasn’t divorcing the good with the bad obviously, but meant he was opening up his salvation to others and no longer giving them alone special attention above all other nations. The huge amounts of blessing he gave to even the evil people of the world, especially the United States, who Israel has been depending on heavily for its defense, and who even helped cause it to become nation with land of its own again, with nearly the same borders it had in ancient times.
There’s another problem with those who believe salvation can be lost: many of you, if not all of you, (arrogantly) seem to think you can get it back. Twice the Bible says no, and in a horrific way:
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit. For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. – Hebrews 10, and:
Luke 8:4 …when a great crowd was gathering and people from town after town came to him, he said in a parable,
Luke 8:5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell along the path and was trampled underfoot, and the birds of the air devoured it.
Luke 8:6 And some fell on the rock, and as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture.
Luke 8:7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up with it and choked it.
Luke 8:8 And some fell into good soil and grew and yielded a hundredfold.” As he said these things, he called out, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
Luke 8:9 And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant,
Luke 8:10 he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luke 8:12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.
Luke 8:13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.
Luke 8:14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature.
Luke 8:15 As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience. [ They do not fall away, they do not wither and die, nor does Jesus say that any of those seeds that didn't bear fruit, that any every did: You either are saved, or never saved.]
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. – Hebrews 6